Originally Posted by Crito

Yeah, the freedom to pay taxes. And the freedom to buy mandated insurance. And the freedom to fly to Epstein's Island and hang out with child molesting Mossad agents like Bill Clinton. Free speech, especially antisemitic speech, is a hate crime though. And guns are straight up a privilege, not a right like having an abortion. We have to debunk and censor misinformation that claims otherwise.

Democrats make me want to sell my EV and buy an ICE vehicle too but I refuse to stoop to their childish level.

Originally Posted by stealth.pilot

red leaning voters have recently tended to be against EVs and EV charging infrastructure.

Originally Posted by Crito

Yeah, the freedom to pay taxes. And the freedom to buy mandated insurance. And the freedom to fly to Epstein's Island and hang out with child molesting Mossad agents like Bill Clinton. Free speech, especially antisemitic speech, is a hate crime though. And guns are straight up a privilege, not a right like having an abortion. We have to debunk and censor misinformation that claims otherwise.
Democrats make me want to sell my EV and buy an ICE vehicle too but I refuse to stoop to their childish level.

Originally Posted by SW20S

Epsteins island you say?

Originally Posted by hyperion667

There are probably already plans in the works to build condo's on Antartica and the north pole when the caps melt.....it's all part of the plan and 'we' are not included

Originally Posted by OldManAndHisCar

Remember, it is only okay to club a baby seal with a Narwhal tusk.....

Originally Posted by OldManAndHisCar

What politics? I am a business owner (and property owner). I as the owner will NOT pay to put a freaking EV charger on MY property at MY business. If the city does not like it - THEY can try to sue me (and we will simply build the new facility at another property we own that is seriously 110' from the city limits).


Fun note: this is for the EV owners in Tampa. Yes, you can purchase gasoline today (and could for most of the entire storm)...but...
https://www.tampaelectric.com/electr...argingoptions/

We appreciate your patience as we work 24/7 to recover from Milton. With the help of 6,000 utility workers, we expect to restore power to essentially all customers in the coming days. Estimated restoration by county:

• Pasco customers - Monday, 10/14
• Polk customers - Tuesday, 10/15
• Hillsborough and Pinellas customers - Thursday, 10/17

Then, when power is on there will be DAYS LONG lines at the chargers, as there always are after the storms. Good thing that something like 98% of the EV owners have them as their third car. My next door neighbor had a Rivian for about a minute or two...behind his massive diesel Dodge truck, an Escalade, an X5 and their kids Jeep....sitting next to their RV and 32' fishing boat....you know, environmentalists :-)

Originally Posted by MB2timer

The fact is, the Rona affected Trump’s economy far more than Biden’s. Even Still inflation when Biden took office was less than 2%. Biden’s policies of centralized planning, including EV mandates, necessarily was extremely inefficient, and along with his spending and monetary policies, lit a fire under inflation. So now, we can’t afford charging stations, heck, almost every sector of the economy has become 30% more expensive. Wages have not kept up, so there is a big squeeze. It’s just a verifiable fact, that central planning for the economy, is wildly inefficient, and inflationary. What is the most efficient framework for a national economy? Ask Milton Freedman, Ask Thomas Sowell.
They would(and have) tell you about the invisible hand, that sets prices according to marginal costs, that distributes goods and services most evenly across demand.
Most of the initial supply chain disruptions were because of the insane vax mandates for truckers, and enforcement out of all sensibility to commerce.
I have to agree with OM&HC. Not only that, as a business owner, he is on the front line being mugged every day, much like business owners were selectively mugged by French laundry patrons without masks, and hairdressers closed for all but Speakers of the house, not to mention mayors of Chicago. There has been no reckoning, kind of like so many other movements that are delayed interminably, until cold hard facts and harsh reality obscures the utopia.
I hope this doesn’t get deleted. Whoever wrote it, it’s a masterpiece.

Originally Posted by OldManAndHisCar

As for the loony who thinks that a graph from the 1890's shows us anything....who again melted the glaciers that once covered the central United States? The shame is, a massive percentage of the population will believe what is convenient to believe. They are incapable of comprehensive rationalizations and validation of data.

Originally Posted by SW20S

There is a reason why overwhelmingly scientists believe climate change is rea

Originally Posted by OldManAndHisCar

You are aware that statement is patently incorrect, correct? Ignorance being bliss, I am shocked more people are not happier in general. That contention is not a lick different from the fools who once believed the Earth is flat. In both examples there are simply not enough facts to prove them right (so, leave out the pesky things that prove your argument incorrect).

The EnviroNuts are akin to folks who practice "the religion of peace"...you know, kill and destroy any who do not agree with you.

Originally Posted by AppleFan1

I sure hope that your children and grandchildren have different opinions than you have. You don’t believe in science so you believe that anthropogenic global warming is a hoax.

Originally Posted by OldManAndHisCar

You are aware that statement is patently incorrect, correct? Ignorance being bliss, I am shocked more people are not happier in general. That contention is not a lick different from the fools who once believed the Earth is flat. In both examples there are simply not enough facts to prove them right (so, leave out the pesky things that prove your argument incorrect).

The EnviroNuts are akin to folks who practice "the religion of peace"...you know, kill and destroy any who do not agree with you.

Originally Posted by OldManAndHisCar

You are aware that statement is patently incorrect, correct? Ignorance being bliss, I am shocked more people are not happier in general. That contention is not a lick different from the fools who once believed the Earth is flat. In both examples there are simply not enough facts to prove them right (so, leave out the pesky things that prove your argument incorrect).

The EnviroNuts are akin to folks who practice "the religion of peace"...you know, kill and destroy any who do not agree with you.

Originally Posted by OldManAndHisCar

See, here you go proving me right. See. "Science" is in general comprised of three parts - "Theory", the part where someone has an idea. "Hypothesis" where you try to prove a theory correct. Only after a hypothesis is tested again and again, and tested against dissent - THEN we can consider something to be factual.

"Climate Scientists" (and their customers) are simply not using the scientific process. This is the same as what our current "scientists" have done with even changing the definition of words to justify their mindsets.

Question for you @AppleFan1 I had posted a video on this tread of a "Climate Denier"....did you watch the video? Are you willing to see the other side of the argument?


Oh - and to be clear. I would NEVER deny "Climate Change", the "Man Made" is the hard part. More so, - punishing the finances of the citizens of the United States with "feel good" while India, China, Russia, and so many other nations are destroying the earth (according to the enviro-nuts). We cant have it both ways...our EV's are MASSIVELY destructive to the earth to produce, even worse to dispose of.

Originally Posted by OldManAndHisCar

See, here you go proving me right. See. "Science" is in general comprised of three parts - "Theory", the part where someone has an idea. "Hypothesis" where you try to prove a theory correct. Only after a hypothesis is tested again and again, and tested against dissent - THEN we can consider something to be factual.

"Climate Scientists" (and their customers) are simply not using the scientific process. This is the same as what our current "scientists" have done with even changing the definition of words to justify their mindsets.

Question for you @AppleFan1 I had posted a video on this tread of a "Climate Denier"....did you watch the video? Are you willing to see the other side of the argument?


Oh - and to be clear. I would NEVER deny "Climate Change", the "Man Made" is the hard part. More so, - punishing the finances of the citizens of the United States with "feel good" while India, China, Russia, and so many other nations are destroying the earth (according to the enviro-nuts). We cant have it both ways...our EV's are MASSIVELY destructive to the earth to produce, even worse to dispose of.

Originally Posted by MBNUT1

A better solution would be an increased utilization of public transportation.

Originally Posted by OldManAndHisCar

You hit the nail on the head...now, if only "the public" was not on it ;-) . Now, if we could only stop the volcanoes, the natural decomposition of carbon matter and the decay of expired mammals...



And, as for the JERK who said us old guys in our "Golden Years"....yeah! Screw you! I am NOT in my "Golden Years", I am in my "Sunset Years"!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by MBNUT1

Regarding EV's and the environment for sure production of EV's has harmful effects on the environment. They result in local pollution due to the mining among other things. I liken it to chemotherapy. Nasty side effects to help the patient live until there is a better solution.
A better solution would be an increased utilization of public transportation.

Originally Posted by OldManAndHisCar

You hit the nail on the head...now, if only "the public" was not on it ;-) . Now, if we could only stop the volcanoes, the natural decomposition of carbon matter and the decay of expired mammals...



And, as for the JERK who said us old guys in our "Golden Years"....yeah! Screw you! I am NOT in my "Golden Years", I am in my "Sunset Years"!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by wildta

Even the worst EVs (this includes decommissioning) leave a smaller carbon footprint vs their ICE counterparts over the life of the vehicle.