all new g class ???????
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all new g class ???????
does any one know when are they changing the g class the all new or when are they making a major facelift,
im thinking of buying one and dont want to have a new model after buying, plus the g class has not been changed for such a long time only with minor facelifts which makes me wonder.
im thinking of buying one and dont want to have a new model after buying, plus the g class has not been changed for such a long time only with minor facelifts which makes me wonder.
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The latest "major" face-lift for the G was the 2009 model (more horse power, grill, wheels, multimedia system, etc.). For 2010, they changed the seats, added ambient lights, leather dash, etc.
I knew about the 2010 changes when I looked at a 2009. I decided to get the 2009 because I liked it the way it is. I'm glad I didn't wait because the color I liked was discontinued in 2010.
If you like the G class just go ahead and buy one. There's always going to be a better model, special edition, updates around the corner. So if you keep waiting you'll miss out on enjoying driving a new G class now.
I knew about the 2010 changes when I looked at a 2009. I decided to get the 2009 because I liked it the way it is. I'm glad I didn't wait because the color I liked was discontinued in 2010.
If you like the G class just go ahead and buy one. There's always going to be a better model, special edition, updates around the corner. So if you keep waiting you'll miss out on enjoying driving a new G class now.
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The civilian version of the G-Class only exists because there remains a scattering of military orders and commitments. When the last of the military orders dry-up, the entire G-Class will fade away. The 463 is the last of the line. It is just way too expensive to develop another vehicle with the same level of build quality at the current low volumes.
This is exactly why the the US market doesn't get the 461 or the BlueTEC, or the Cabrio or the G63 AMG... The expense of developing, crash testing and certification for USDOT can never be re-couped by the time the program is terminated in 2015.
The (2002) G500 launched in the U.S at ~$73K, since then it has upgraded to a C-Class cluster, rear camera, TPMS, COMAND with DVD, ventilated front seats, new plastic grille, 7-speed tranny, and +0.5L engine boost.
Now it is +$100K with no G-Class specific development. Can you imagine what the MSRP will be of a new car specific for the US? Only the G-Class customers will foot the bill. One could easily deduce it to be >$150K.
No one can explain why the G55K went up $23K since it was introduced in 2005. (new grille, cluster, COMAND and +1" wheel upgrade)? The most likely answer is: "low volume".
I agree with the previous post: "...get one while you can"
In ten years, it will be like trying to find a LR-Defender
This is exactly why the the US market doesn't get the 461 or the BlueTEC, or the Cabrio or the G63 AMG... The expense of developing, crash testing and certification for USDOT can never be re-couped by the time the program is terminated in 2015.
The (2002) G500 launched in the U.S at ~$73K, since then it has upgraded to a C-Class cluster, rear camera, TPMS, COMAND with DVD, ventilated front seats, new plastic grille, 7-speed tranny, and +0.5L engine boost.
Now it is +$100K with no G-Class specific development. Can you imagine what the MSRP will be of a new car specific for the US? Only the G-Class customers will foot the bill. One could easily deduce it to be >$150K.
No one can explain why the G55K went up $23K since it was introduced in 2005. (new grille, cluster, COMAND and +1" wheel upgrade)? The most likely answer is: "low volume".
I agree with the previous post: "...get one while you can"
In ten years, it will be like trying to find a LR-Defender
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does any one know when are they changing the g class the all new or when are they making a major facelift,
im thinking of buying one and dont want to have a new model after buying, plus the g class has not been changed for such a long time only with minor facelifts which makes me wonder.
im thinking of buying one and dont want to have a new model after buying, plus the g class has not been changed for such a long time only with minor facelifts which makes me wonder.
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Old rumor and a Photoshop by Autobild:
Article in Autobild:
Mercedes plant eine große Allrad-Offensive
Todgesagte leben länger: Mercedes G-Modell im 2011er-Trimm.Mercedes rollt in Zukunft aber nicht nur den neuen SLK auf den Markt: 2010 bringen die Stuttgarter eine überarbeitete R-Klasse, 2011 startet der neue ML , 2012 der nächste GL, 2013 debütiert der BLK. Die G-Klasse lebt weiter. Das 1979 vorgestellte Geländewagen-Urgestein war schon oft dem Untergang geweiht. Zuletzt galt der November 2010 als Beisetzungstermin. Wenig später erhielt das Baumuster 463 jedoch grünes Licht bis Ende 2012, und Anfang 2009 verlängerte der Vorstand die Restlaufzeit bis Sommer 2015. Als Grund für den Sinneswandel gilt ein Militär-Großauftrag aus Kanada. Weil an der Zivilversion mehr verdient ist als an fast allen anderen Mercedes-Modellen, muß der x-fach abgeschriebene Kantenhauber eine letzte tiefgreifende Änderung über sich ergehen lassen, denn nur mit entschärfter Frontpartie erfüllt das Auto die EU-Fußgängerschutz-Bedingungen. Darüber hinaus wird wieder einmal die Motorenpalette renoviert. Der 4,6-Liter-V8 im G 500 leistet als Biturbo künftig 435 PS, der G 63 AMG bringt es auf 544 PS, und den G 320 CDI ersetzt der G 350 CDI mit 252 PS. Dem Vernehmen nach rundet eine Sauber-und-sparsam-Variante mit Vierzylinder-Diesel das Angebot nach unten ab, wobei der 2,2-Liter mit 204 PS nur unwesentlich schwächer ist als der aktuelle Sechszylinder.
Mercedes plant eine große Allrad-Offensive
Todgesagte leben länger: Mercedes G-Modell im 2011er-Trimm.Mercedes rollt in Zukunft aber nicht nur den neuen SLK auf den Markt: 2010 bringen die Stuttgarter eine überarbeitete R-Klasse, 2011 startet der neue ML , 2012 der nächste GL, 2013 debütiert der BLK. Die G-Klasse lebt weiter. Das 1979 vorgestellte Geländewagen-Urgestein war schon oft dem Untergang geweiht. Zuletzt galt der November 2010 als Beisetzungstermin. Wenig später erhielt das Baumuster 463 jedoch grünes Licht bis Ende 2012, und Anfang 2009 verlängerte der Vorstand die Restlaufzeit bis Sommer 2015. Als Grund für den Sinneswandel gilt ein Militär-Großauftrag aus Kanada. Weil an der Zivilversion mehr verdient ist als an fast allen anderen Mercedes-Modellen, muß der x-fach abgeschriebene Kantenhauber eine letzte tiefgreifende Änderung über sich ergehen lassen, denn nur mit entschärfter Frontpartie erfüllt das Auto die EU-Fußgängerschutz-Bedingungen. Darüber hinaus wird wieder einmal die Motorenpalette renoviert. Der 4,6-Liter-V8 im G 500 leistet als Biturbo künftig 435 PS, der G 63 AMG bringt es auf 544 PS, und den G 320 CDI ersetzt der G 350 CDI mit 252 PS. Dem Vernehmen nach rundet eine Sauber-und-sparsam-Variante mit Vierzylinder-Diesel das Angebot nach unten ab, wobei der 2,2-Liter mit 204 PS nur unwesentlich schwächer ist als der aktuelle Sechszylinder.
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Interesting information. Thanks!
The article references new engines which appear to be in line with the upcoming revamp of existing AMG normally aspirated units in favor of turbocharged configurations. I'm curious what others think, but I'd certainly favor getting my hands (back) on a supercharged version while they exist.
They mention the need for an extensive revision of the front end in order to comply with pedestrian impact regulations. Could there be some truth to this or will the G somehow avoid having to comply? Hopefully, GL Fahrer and others can shed some light.
Lastly, the article mentions that the G remains the most profitable model in the MB lineup (should be evident given a 30+ year production run). Long live the G!
The article references new engines which appear to be in line with the upcoming revamp of existing AMG normally aspirated units in favor of turbocharged configurations. I'm curious what others think, but I'd certainly favor getting my hands (back) on a supercharged version while they exist.
They mention the need for an extensive revision of the front end in order to comply with pedestrian impact regulations. Could there be some truth to this or will the G somehow avoid having to comply? Hopefully, GL Fahrer and others can shed some light.
Lastly, the article mentions that the G remains the most profitable model in the MB lineup (should be evident given a 30+ year production run). Long live the G!
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"Time is money"...a salesman can sell one S-Class or GL-Class and make the same commission as three G-Classes. The G-Class customer requires an inordinate amount of time, effort and follow-up (as they should, considering the +$100K purchase). Also very few people come into a dealership looking for a G-Class so floorplan is always an issue. This customer typically refuses to wait for an order so the dealer needs to have one in stock; which explains why most of the units are black or silver.
A G-Class customer can easily be talked into a ($80K) GL550 ...a GL-customer can NEVER be talked into G-Class.
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Since there will not be a furtherance of the 463, there will not be a change in the hood design. The volumes of the G worldwide also allow for it to avoid the mandate. In the EU they already forbid the optional Grille Bar found standard on the USA models. (...get one while you can)
The article also mentions a G63 AMG...this will never happen 'cause AMG is dropping the M156 E63 engine in favor of the new BiTurbo: M278 E55.
Since the 463 just got the new M273 E55 engine, I think that the AMG will be dropped all-together instead of developing a new engine for only a year or two of sales. (...get one while you can)
..just a guess.
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I tend to agree that a dealer having one in inventory is a losing proposition. This model is best left as a build-to-order item. Most of us owning cars worth north of 100k are used to having to wait for our specific vehicle. The article specifies that the G is the most profitable model for MB which actually makes sense when viewed from the perspective of having a 30+ year build history.
Bottom line, since this is mostly conjecture and the future of the G in the US remains uncertain, we should follow GL Fahrer's advice and get one while we can!
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Looks like the 2011 G55 may have a new twin-turbo 5.5L V8 engine after all. Mercedes today announced the new engine and the first car to use it, the 2011 S63 AMG:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...-Class/247829/
They also announced the new G350 BlueTEC:
http://www.4wheelsnews.com/2010-merc...tec-uncovered/
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...-Class/247829/
They also announced the new G350 BlueTEC:
http://www.4wheelsnews.com/2010-merc...tec-uncovered/
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Just wondering if the "G" is like other MB models and should not be owned after the warranty expires? Talking to the MB dealer here on Maui, Opria has 2 G's that she lets guests drive, I think they are 2003=4 models. Dealer said they have had to replace about everything on them atleast 1 time and they would not recommend buying one. 
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Just wondering if the "G" is like other MB models and should not be owned after the warranty expires? Talking to the MB dealer here on Maui, Opria has 2 G's that she lets guests drive, I think they are 2003=4 models. Dealer said they have had to replace about everything on them atleast 1 time and they would not recommend buying one.
That may be the case with the G-wagen in replacing parts, as they are not a "Toyota Corolla" or a refridgerator whereby you just plug them in and they work for years and years. Being a W463 owner - 500 & 55AMG, yes, I've had my concerns and parts replaced, but there literally is NOTHING on the Canadian roads that still hold the pavement - wet or snowy, like a G-wagen. Perhaps, in Hawaii, your CLS63 is idilic but I'm convinced, when you have the shell of a W463 and literally the chassis design from the mid-late 70's and you try to squeeze todays technically into that body, yes, there has to be concerns and you SHOULD ANTICIPATE some parts replacement and higher maintenance.
Anyhow... that's my take and I wish we had your weather, but then again, if I did...I don't think I'd be driving a G-wag in 80 degree weather.
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I love the idea of the G wagon. It would be great to leave it in the basic configuration, no advanced electronic's, etc. The beast would last for ever with few problems.
If that's the case, then they have just cause to sell either of the 2003/04 for a song and dance! LOL
That may be the case with the G-wagen in replacing parts, as they are not a "Toyota Corolla" or a refridgerator whereby you just plug them in and they work for years and years. Being a W463 owner - 500 & 55AMG, yes, I've had my concerns and parts replaced, but there literally is NOTHING on the Canadian roads that still hold the pavement - wet or snowy, like a G-wagen. Perhaps, in Hawaii, your CLS63 is idilic but I'm convinced, when you have the shell of a W463 and literally the chassis design from the mid-late 70's and you try to squeeze todays technically into that body, yes, there has to be concerns and you SHOULD ANTICIPATE some parts replacement and higher maintenance.
Anyhow... that's my take and I wish we had your weather, but then again, if I did...I don't think I'd be driving a G-wag in 80 degree weather.
J.B.
(Alberta, Canada)
That may be the case with the G-wagen in replacing parts, as they are not a "Toyota Corolla" or a refridgerator whereby you just plug them in and they work for years and years. Being a W463 owner - 500 & 55AMG, yes, I've had my concerns and parts replaced, but there literally is NOTHING on the Canadian roads that still hold the pavement - wet or snowy, like a G-wagen. Perhaps, in Hawaii, your CLS63 is idilic but I'm convinced, when you have the shell of a W463 and literally the chassis design from the mid-late 70's and you try to squeeze todays technically into that body, yes, there has to be concerns and you SHOULD ANTICIPATE some parts replacement and higher maintenance.
Anyhow... that's my take and I wish we had your weather, but then again, if I did...I don't think I'd be driving a G-wag in 80 degree weather.
J.B.
(Alberta, Canada)
