G Offroad vs Jeep and Jimney
Thread Starter
Super Member
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 806
Likes: 247
Soon: 2020 G63 Currently: 2016 GLE63 SUV + 97 F250HD, Before: 2013 G550, Range Rover Sport, 1984 CJ7
Member
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 121
Likes: 57
2019 G550
Saw it, even TFLtruck made a video commenting on the results. Obviously rigged test so all 3 would end in a tie.
Most notable is on the Offroad “race course” where the G looks to just crawl away from a stop whereas the Jeep and Jimney take off with throttle mashed down.
Always enjoy watching the G Offroad though! Those street tires handle the muddy terrain surprisingly well!
Most notable is on the Offroad “race course” where the G looks to just crawl away from a stop whereas the Jeep and Jimney take off with throttle mashed down.
Always enjoy watching the G Offroad though! Those street tires handle the muddy terrain surprisingly well!
Member
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 89
Likes: 17
From: Orlando, FL
72 R107, 04 W463, 05 W211
I enjoyed watching the video but let's not fool ourselves, a properly equipped Jeep would smoke a G-Wagon - unless - it's also properly equipped for off road. Even then, the Jeep will be lighter, and the build will be more sophisticated (if for no other reason than the sheer ingenuity of American hotrodders). Also, because so much time and effort has been spent on development of parts and accessories for the Jeep family. Added to which, the know-how and the stuff with which to do it are both readily available. Of course, this doesn't change my appreciation for the G-Wagon's center locking-diff, rear locking-diff, and front-locking diff - plus - the amazing capability on stock tires, but . . .
Member
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 89
Likes: 17
From: Orlando, FL
72 R107, 04 W463, 05 W211
But that's the thing, nobody would take either one of these out for serious off road without modding it. And I posit, anybody lacking experience would be in trouble fairly quickly regardless of what they're using. And I'll note, Toyota has got a serious edge for the inexperienced with their automated system that uses the ABS and traction control to aid the driver. That's an incredibly capable system. In any case, despite my appreciation for my G-Wagon, and I really do appreciate what I have, neither do I fool myself into thinking it's a serious tool in stock condition. Better than most anything, including the Rubicon in the selected testing? Sure, but in the real world? Nope!
Member
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 121
Likes: 57
2019 G550
But that's the thing, nobody would take either one of these out for serious off road without modding it. And I posit, anybody lacking experience would be in trouble fairly quickly regardless of what they're using. And I'll note, Toyota has got a serious edge for the inexperienced with their automated system that uses the ABS and traction control to aid the driver. That's an incredibly capable system. In any case, despite my appreciation for my G-Wagon, and I really do appreciate what I have, neither do I fool myself into thinking it's a serious tool in stock condition. Better than most anything, including the Rubicon in the selected testing? Sure, but in the real world? Nope!
This video proves the shortcomings of the 4 door Rubi’s break over angle. No debating video evidence.
BTW... check the threads, many of us G owners here install all-terrain tires right away
Trending Topics
Member
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 89
Likes: 17
From: Orlando, FL
72 R107, 04 W463, 05 W211
BCMagunner . . . I have a G-Wagon so surely this qualifies me to comment, agreed? However, I'm just not blind to the facts. Go watch videos of Jeeps in action. For that matter, Land Rovers as well. They're being taken into conditions our trucks can only go into 'if' like them they are heavily prepared. Stock, even with better tires? Not a chance in the world. Get real, chum. And please do it before you embarrass yourself showing off the superior Mercedes Benz G-Wagon and are laughed at. Look, I'm not saying they're not capable. I am quite pleased with mine. But believing in their inherent superiority because of what's shown in the video is a joke, a bad one at that when compared in the real world.
Last edited by jbeech; Nov 13, 2019 at 05:26 PM.
MB World Stories
The Best of Mercedes & AMG
Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren
Verdad Gallardo
8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine
Verdad Gallardo
Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction
Verdad Gallardo
Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
5 Underrated Mercedes-Benz Models That Don't Get the Love They Deserve
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes 300D Has Pushed Well Past 1 Million Miles and It Ain't Stopping
Verdad Gallardo
10 Most Reliable Mercedes-Benz Models You Can Buy Used
Verdad Gallardo
Member
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 121
Likes: 57
2019 G550
BCMagunner . . . I have a G-Wagon so surely this qualifies me to comment, agreed? However, I'm just not blind to the facts. Go watch videos of Jeeps in action. For that matter, Land Rovers as well. They're being taken into conditions our trucks can only go into 'if' like them they are heavily prepared. Stock, even with better tires? Not a chance in the world. Get real, chum. And please do it before you embarrass yourself showing off the superior Mercedes Benz G-Wagon and are laughed at. Look, I'm not saying they're not capable. I am quite pleased with mine. But believing in their inherent superiority because of what's shown in the video is a joke, a bad one at that when compared in the real world.
Exactly
Member
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 89
Likes: 17
From: Orlando, FL
72 R107, 04 W463, 05 W211
Oh this is too funny. The 2019 is significantly 'less' capable than W463 due to its independent front suspension. Shows what you know.
Last edited by jbeech; Nov 13, 2019 at 06:36 PM.
Member
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 121
Likes: 57
2019 G550
What is objective is the 2019 has better approach, departure and break over angles.
Member
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 89
Likes: 17
From: Orlando, FL
72 R107, 04 W463, 05 W211
I don't have a dictionary handy! However, when I'm not busy yanking your chain, I've noticed (empirically), solid axles fare better in the wild. Anyway, are you seriously not accepting that none of these things are worth a damn before they've been prepped? Granted, the G-Wagon is pretty good, but it's far from perfect and if we're being honest, it's painfully obvious the fellows making the comparison videos are in the tank for Mercedes. And note; 'knobbly' tires alone won't cut it because beyond a lift kit and some 33s, you're gonna need a bumper and winch, better skid plates, yada, yada, yada. What make the W463 better than an IFS setup? For me, one thing especially are the Birfield joints - let me know how the IFS does with mud (and I mean real mud). Also, since you mention breakover angles, bear in mind the length of the wheelbase of the Jeep product, which if the producers had had any interest in testing more objectively would have led them to select other than the 4-door created for the stylin' crowd and the soccer moms. Take a 2-door Rubicon out and try this again and we can talk. Honestly, bringing the Sidekick was a joke (they're actually really capable when prepared). Better would have been to have brought along a Range Rover, a Land Crusier, plus a Patrol and 'then' we may have learned a thing or two. Anyway, I happen to think in stock form the Mercedes probably licks them all (except maybe the Jeep) but it would have been a 'far' more interesting comparison.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,623
Likes: 299
From: Houston, TX
Built 2008 G55 & one big 80 Series LandCruiser !
having built a dozen expedition landcruisers and having started to build my G I'll share that after having driven a new 2020 IFS front version it may ride smoother and have a bit more articulation but I'd take the older solid axle any day.... that said lockers and decent tires can be beat by some of the fancy electronics in the current toyotas and RR's..... to a point. when it gets really rough I'll take solid axles and triple locked all day long....
however IFS modified can be impressive..... I had a long travel kit on my old 200 series that gave almost 14inches of front travel and 11 in the rear... it was super slinky and smooth..... the CRAWL etc gizmo worked well but I ended up doing ARB's after getting stuck a few times.
I wish there was a decent front winch bumper avail for the G63's.....that's my biggest worry with it offroad - those intercoolers are hanging low....
however IFS modified can be impressive..... I had a long travel kit on my old 200 series that gave almost 14inches of front travel and 11 in the rear... it was super slinky and smooth..... the CRAWL etc gizmo worked well but I ended up doing ARB's after getting stuck a few times.
I wish there was a decent front winch bumper avail for the G63's.....that's my biggest worry with it offroad - those intercoolers are hanging low....
Thread Starter
Super Member
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 806
Likes: 247
Soon: 2020 G63 Currently: 2016 GLE63 SUV + 97 F250HD, Before: 2013 G550, Range Rover Sport, 1984 CJ7
I've just completed moments of independent primary and third party research using an objective base point system with an unweighted averaged scale (verified by JD Power associates) which revealed with statistical significance that while positive reactionary based scoring with a negative differential proved that the GWAGON wins into perpetual foreverness.
G wagon is the best. There is no competition. Change my mind.
G wagon is the best. There is no competition. Change my mind.
Member
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 89
Likes: 17
From: Orlando, FL
72 R107, 04 W463, 05 W211
At least we're getting the discussion away from help me pick the color of my G when I order it. Honestly, the spate of recent topics makes me gag. This one is developing nicely. Finally, I think someone wondered how many Suzukis you could buy. The answer is as trivial as calculating how many angels can sit on the head of a pin (measure both the width of a pin head and the **** of an angel and divide). In the case of my wife (an angel, believe me), the number is negative but I digress. Anyway, call it 10 Samurai based on my back of the envelope application of grade school math. Oh, and by all means a 2-dr G63 would be fine by me! Come one, come all . . . the more the merrier.
Thread Starter
Super Member
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 806
Likes: 247
Soon: 2020 G63 Currently: 2016 GLE63 SUV + 97 F250HD, Before: 2013 G550, Range Rover Sport, 1984 CJ7
i do wish benz would have more G models, like a 2 door with pick up bed, a 4 door with pick up bed etc. Not a 4x4 or the 6x6, but just the regular models with more options. Like defender style (not cheaper options just a few more).
MBWorld God!
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 31,273
Likes: 3,916
From: on my way
2012 CLS63
At least we're getting the discussion away from help me pick the color of my G when I order it. Honestly, the spate of recent topics makes me gag. This one is developing nicely. Finally, I think someone wondered how many Suzukis you could buy. The answer is as trivial as calculating how many angels can sit on the head of a pin (measure both the width of a pin head and the **** of an angel and divide). In the case of my wife (an angel, believe me), the number is negative but I digress. Anyway, call it 10 Samurai based on my back of the envelope application of grade school math. Oh, and by all means a 2-dr G63 would be fine by me! Come one, come all . . . the more the merrier.
