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Old 08-20-2021 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by spourreza
to me, the rest of the country cant really tell the difference between a 550 and G63… they look the same and imho, for the average person, they both represent the same status symbol.
and price difference isnt that much either. my draw was the power and engine and speed. i think also why it outsells the 550 is residual values. No sure its as simple as the AMG badge and status is why it sells…

and if they are making an electric version in 2024, will the gas version even come out for ‘23 or complete hiatus? or do we think gas version will be produced inline with electric with an eventual exit out of gas by the end of the decade? or else this would seem as a very hard/harsh transition and it could spook buyers!
I bet LA/OC is MBUSA's largest US market for the G63. Here in LA I see 5 or 6 G63s for every 550 I see. People are buying it because its the "top of the line" g wagon. If the new "top of the line" is a hybrid nobody will care. They won't put a powerplant in it that is obviously inferior from a speed/power perspective so basically no matter what it will sell like crazy around here. Think about it... the 550 has plenty of power/speed for an SUV and here we are all much more interested in the 63. Lets be honest... it looks cooler, sounds better, is a bit faster. None of us are buying a 63 because we need the extra power. As others have mentioned the price differential isn't extreme so once you are paying 550 money, if you can afford it, why not get the "top of the line".

Its a very strong formula for MBUSA.
Old 08-20-2021 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SLC4S
I bet LA/OC is MBUSA's largest US market for the G63. Here in LA I see 5 or 6 G63s for every 550 I see. People are buying it because its the "top of the line" g wagon. If the new "top of the line" is a hybrid nobody will care. They won't put a powerplant in it that is obviously inferior from a speed/power perspective so basically no matter what it will sell like crazy around here. Think about it... the 550 has plenty of power/speed for an SUV and here we are all much more interested in the 63. Lets be honest... it looks cooler, sounds better, is a bit faster. None of us are buying a 63 because we need the extra power. As others have mentioned the price differential isn't extreme so once you are paying 550 money, if you can afford it, why not get the "top of the line".

Its a very strong formula for MBUSA.
agreed. the price delta between g550 and g63 is very minor for a car of this msrp. at that point, most would be wondering why even the 550.
Old 08-20-2021 | 04:29 PM
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Then a hybrid will blow that V8 out of the water and should sell like hotcakes ...

If Ferrari can make a V6 hybrid go 0-60 in less than 2.9 then I wouldn't be concerned about performance in a V6 hybrid G if that's what they end up with.
Whatever hybrid they evolve to it should be quick as most are. This is great for the hole shots on one's local streets (and some of us can get past a Tesla 0-60 most of the time because most of them have no idea how to drive so blowing a V8 "out of the water" always is not always the rule). Some would argue that Ferrari is not exactly the MIT of technology (see Formula 1) but its likely that AMG will get it right when they do release their hybrid. Either way when that model does come out those of us V8 "dinosaurs" will be happily driving in another state whilst the hybrid spends 4 hours at the local Bucees and/or awaiting a flatbed to fetch them because of (1) weak overall electrical grids and/or (2) temp variances on the battery ranges and if you doubt that please watch both "The Long Way Round" and "The Long Way Up." In the former the riders covered 20,000 miles over 115 days on their R1200GSA's. In the latter they covered 13,000 miles in 100 on electric powered Harley's. Cars are no different. Don't expect to see any hybrids entering the Dakar Rally; ever.
Old 08-20-2021 | 06:48 PM
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agreed. the price delta between g550 and g63 is very minor for a car of this msrp. at that point, most would be wondering why even the 550.
I guess I’m in the minority. There are slight interior and exterior styling differences between the 2 and personally I liked them enough to opt for the 550 and sacrifice the effectively negligible performance difference for my daily use.

Most people see a G and know it’s a G. Doubt anyone is going to look down on it because it’s a G550 not a G63. And if they do, I’m too old to care now lol
Old 08-21-2021 | 12:01 AM
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I remember back when the 2019 g wagen was shown and everyone here on mbworld thought that it was the worst thing to have ever happened to g wagens. And no one was going to buy the new “fake” g wagen. And they got rid of the wonderful 5.5 V8 with a smaller, likely more problematic 4.0 V8. And everyone with the pre 2019 g wagens will have the last laugh with their real off roaders with actual character when everyone goes and dumps their new ones after just mere weeks due to how terrible they are.


And we all see how that actually played out.
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Old 08-21-2021 | 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by jghuman
I remember back when the 2019 g wagen was shown and everyone here on mbworld thought that it was the worst thing to have ever happened to g wagens. And no one was going to buy the new “fake” g wagen. And they got rid of the wonderful 5.5 V8 with a smaller, likely more problematic 4.0 V8. And everyone with the pre 2019 g wagens will have the last laugh with their real off roaders with actual character when everyone goes and dumps their new ones after just mere weeks due to how terrible they are.


And we all see how that actually played out.
Exactly. I bet that more than half the owners here will get the hybrid version whenever that is
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Old 08-21-2021 | 05:09 AM
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My thoughts. The G is heavy, REALLY HEAVY. An all electric G will have lower empg than a G63 or even the old G65. Battery’s are heavy and their efficiency isn’t where they need to be. The last thing the G needs is more weight.

For those that have a G63… isn’t it about the experience? It’s the noise, and the roughness. I get it, the Fomo and latest and greatest will help the hybrid sell, but I suspect the wealthy enthusiast crowd won’t bite. There are many rennlisters here and nearly all didn’t bite on the Taycan. The Taycan and Tesla have their own “type” of owners. Maybe I’m wrong but I’d venture to say that it the E version will sell well on Hype but will eventually dip.

If they kill the 63 I hope bring the 350d so I can buy one and park it next to the newly minted antique.

That all said, and prices where they are, it’s crossed my mind sell my G and buy my dream unicorn CGT.
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Originally Posted by n3rd
My thoughts. The G is heavy, REALLY HEAVY. An all electric G will have lower empg than a G63 or even the old G65. Battery’s are heavy and their efficiency isn’t where they need to be. The last thing the G needs is more weight..
Manufacturers continue to forge ahead with battery technology, trying to cram more energy storage into a smaller and lighter weight package. The problem is safety. Gasoline is fundamentaly safe - it requires both oxygen and an ignition source in order to release energy. Batteries spontaneously combust, and oxygen and nearby fuels feed the effect. GM has just recalled the rest of its Bolt population due to defective batteries at a total cost of over a billion $. How long can any car maker sell cars for less than their production cost? Who wants to be the guinea pig owner of the latest battery tech just to have another 50 miles of driving range or 30 minutes less charge time? Manufacturers are competing with themselves and with each other to push EV performance ahead of EV safety. As they say, "pioneers are the guys with the arrows (or 3rd degree burns) in their backs". I'm sitting on the sideline for now.

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Old 08-21-2021 | 09:10 AM
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Exactly. I bet that more than half the owners here will get the hybrid version whenever that is
I won’t be one of them. So glad I bought my 550 on a whim last year. With this news, it just became a forever car along with my 911 991.2 GTS4.
Old 08-21-2021 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by johndong888
agreed. the price delta between g550 and g63 is very minor for a car of this msrp. at that point, most would be wondering why even the 550.
While the base MSRP difference is only $25-$30K, the ADMs bring this difference up substantially to ~$75K. I consider the ADM integral to the price, so we're talking $150K versus $225K (typically). I considered both, but I didn't see $75K of additional stuff in the G63, so I bought the G550.
Old 08-21-2021 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by n3rd
My thoughts. The G is heavy, REALLY HEAVY. An all electric G will have lower empg than a G63 or even the old G65. Battery’s are heavy and their efficiency isn’t where they need to be. The last thing the G needs is more weight.

For those that have a G63… isn’t it about the experience? It’s the noise, and the roughness. I get it, the Fomo and latest and greatest will help the hybrid sell, but I suspect the wealthy enthusiast crowd won’t bite. There are many rennlisters here and nearly all didn’t bite on the Taycan. The Taycan and Tesla have their own “type” of owners. Maybe I’m wrong but I’d venture to say that it the E version will sell well on Hype but will eventually dip.

If they kill the 63 I hope bring the 350d so I can buy one and park it next to the newly minted antique.

That all said, and prices where they are, it’s crossed my mind sell my G and buy my dream unicorn CGT.
THANK YOU! Well said. Everyone coming out here saying the hybrid wont be a big deal when it very clearly is specially to us enthusiasts who are after the G for its engine above most other things. Sure to trophy wives and soccer moms or IG dbags/rappers that just use the G as a flex; they wont care and will line up for the shiniest and newest G. But to me and Im sure many owners, the formula of the iconic boxy body and burly engine are key components of the car and it would be a damn shame if this is how Mercedes pulls the plug on a pure ICE G. They should let us properly say goodbye with a final edition in 2023 like they did in the past with the G65 and then release whatever electric nonsense they have planned.

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Old 08-21-2021 | 11:10 AM
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Dang, I have been swamped for the last 6 weeks or so, and haven’t been monitoring this forum like I typically do….

Dealer told a few weeks back that my G63 order was pulled and they were not taking orders for 2022.

I figured I would confirm/debunk what I was told on here….to my dismay, this thread confirmed my greatest fear. (Ok, not my greatest fear, but it still sucks)
Old 08-21-2021 | 11:24 AM
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The suspension seems global

MB was promoting the G on Instagram, may be the promoting department didn't hear the news, people from UK and far east commented that they can't get their order.
The G and S are the most famous MB. No wonder that people are frustrated
Old 08-21-2021 | 11:37 AM
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If your 22 got canceled why they don't give you one of the 2021 allocation?
They don't have. Canada receive 80 G Wagon per year,. Big dealer get 2, small dealer get 1. There's a 3-5 years waiting list. They are not allowed to sell to people outside their region. You must buy from closest dealer.
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News from someone within MB… G production will continue until December and may continue into January and February. There will be a short pause in production and then they’ll be back in the spring/early summer with the same V8s as before.


The G is a cash cow for Benz but supplier issues are getting worse.

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Old 08-21-2021 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by n3rd
News from someone within MB… G production will continue until December and may continue into January and February. There will be a short pause in production and then they’ll be back in the spring/early summer with the same V8s as before.


The G is a cash cow for Benz but supplier issues are getting worse.
I hope this is true, but until it comes from MB publicly this is just a rumor.
Old 08-21-2021 | 04:23 PM
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I hope this is true, but until it comes from MB publicly this is just a rumor.
I know this because my GLS600 allocation was suddenly cancelled and I wanted a detailed explanation. The only v8 that isn’t getting a pause is the s class. The v8s will make a return as 23 models sometime in 22.

It isn’t a rumor.
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Originally Posted by n3rd
News from someone within MB… G production will continue until December and may continue into January and February. There will be a short pause in production and then they’ll be back in the spring/early summer with the same V8s as before.


The G is a cash cow for Benz but supplier issues are getting worse.
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I hope this is true, but until it comes from MB publicly this is just a rumor.
Agreed, agreed.

I *want* to believe this. But with all the talk about Euro Emissions and such, I'm feeling like MBAG is just going to use this pause as a way to transition away from the V8 across their lineup.

So, while the G will be back, and maybe even sooner than the end of 2022, it won't be back in the same form.

And this breaks my heart.
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Old 08-21-2021 | 05:41 PM
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Hope so

Originally Posted by n3rd
News from someone within MB… G production will continue until December and may continue into January and February. There will be a short pause in production and then they’ll be back in the spring/early summer with the same V8s as before.


The G is a cash cow for Benz but supplier issues are getting worse.
I was told that production will be resumed in the last quarter of 2022 as a 23 model, hope so but the fact the current orders are canceled, not delayed makes me worried.
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I know this because my GLS600 allocation was suddenly cancelled and I wanted a detailed explanation. The only v8 that isn’t getting a pause is the s class. The v8s will make a return as 23 models sometime in 22.

It isn’t a rumor.
Originally Posted by medtner
I was told that production will be resumed in the last quarter of 2022 as a 23 model, hope so but the fact the current orders are canceled, not delayed makes me worried.
Forgive me, but it's all BS and dealer speculation until we see a leaked Dealer Memo like the one actually announcing the cancellations.
Old 08-21-2021 | 05:56 PM
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Agree,

Originally Posted by GrnLantern
Forgive me, but it's all BS and dealer speculation until we see a leaked Dealer Memo like the one actually announcing the cancellations.
We don't know. 😥 sad
Old 08-21-2021 | 06:04 PM
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What are the rules with them making 2021s into 2022. IF I remember correctly Porsche was making RS's well into 2017 as 2016s.
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What are the rules with them making 2021s into 2022. IF I remember correctly Porsche was making RS's well into 2017 as 2016s.
No rule, my dealership just received some 2020 Sprinter vans.
Old 08-21-2021 | 06:21 PM
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We don't know. 😥 sad
Very sad, indeed.

As someone who had four V8 models on order for MY2022, I'm a bit devastated.
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No rule, my dealership just received some 2020 Sprinter vans.
Well Lets just pump the 2021s out until 2025.


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