Ethanol free?
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91 is premium in Denver I think but where I live 93 is premium and 89-91 is midgrade
87 is regular.
I can only find regular ethanol free
yes more energy per gallon then any gas mixed with ethanol but I doubt one could feel it.
plus better mpg w/ethanol in fuel.
the Placebo effect is a powerful thing
87 is regular.
I can only find regular ethanol free
yes more energy per gallon then any gas mixed with ethanol but I doubt one could feel it.
plus better mpg w/ethanol in fuel.
the Placebo effect is a powerful thing
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Shouldn't it be the other way around and better mpg w/o ethanol as ethanol has a lower energy density?
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From what I read and discussed, it's bad for old engines because it would dry rubber hoses that weren't thought for it. Other issues are that ethanol "cleans" your tank and so it will remove all the dirt in your tank and may plug your filter/injectors. It's also harder on fuel pump and may require bigger injectors as you need more fuel than with ethanol free fuel.
iirc, most of vehicules from 2000 on poses no threat, especially if diluted in "standard" gasoline.
Another issue is that ethanol captures water so if you have water, condensation or high humidity, ethanol will combine with it and sink to the bottom of the tank. That mixture is much less flamable and will have a hard time in your engine... and as it's sinking it'll be happening on startup.
I may miss other stuff but that's what I could gather from my own research.
iirc, most of vehicules from 2000 on poses no threat, especially if diluted in "standard" gasoline.
Another issue is that ethanol captures water so if you have water, condensation or high humidity, ethanol will combine with it and sink to the bottom of the tank. That mixture is much less flamable and will have a hard time in your engine... and as it's sinking it'll be happening on startup.
I may miss other stuff but that's what I could gather from my own research.
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Ethanol or not the Octane number is what dictates how gasoline typically performs aka at what pressure it will self combust. The actual mixture could be different gas station to gas station. We had constant issues with Kawasaki utility vehicles, that kept braking due to cheap plastic fuel pumps effected by ethanol in the gas. As others said modern cars designed for it.
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I don't know for you in the US but here in France, petrol company pretty much does that for US. Ethanol fuel is named E85 and is at max 85% Ethanol. They will vary the ratio of Gasoline and ethanol depending on the season to avoid hard startups in the winter.
But yes, cold startup is the worst as well as startups after a long period of non driving.
But yes, cold startup is the worst as well as startups after a long period of non driving.
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You don't have a specific ethanol fuel?
We have SP95 E10 that's 10% max all non specified (SP95 and SP98) are 5% max and E85.
Note: measures are made differently for octane rating in here so 98 EU is about 91-93 US.
We have SP95 E10 that's 10% max all non specified (SP95 and SP98) are 5% max and E85.
Note: measures are made differently for octane rating in here so 98 EU is about 91-93 US.
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I do not believe US has different % of ethanol. I think it's all 10% as mandated by Federal government. And all gasoline rated by Octane number. We typically only get 3 grades, regular 87, midgrade 89, and premium 93. However on a rare occasion some gas stations have 92 or 94 octane gasoline.
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Ethanol increases octane and reduces knock and temperature which is good for high compression engines:
Miata has a naturally aspirated engine with lower compression ratios eg 1.6l engine makes 115hp and 1.8l engine makes 128hp.
Miata has a naturally aspirated engine with lower compression ratios eg 1.6l engine makes 115hp and 1.8l engine makes 128hp.
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A refining engineer I know says that the government mandate on 10% ethanol in gasoline has been dropped, but EtOH as it’s called, is an excellent inexpensive and low toxicity antiknock additive at about 7%, so it probably will never go away.
I suspect most people on this forum know this: The U.S. stated octane rating is determined by adding the research octane (calculated) and the motor octane (measured) and divided by 2. Some companies state (R+M)/2 on their pumps.
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OK, I now know where the difference is from. in Europe we only use the RON as far as I understand which explains why there is this discrepancy between "octane" ratings between our fuel.
However, from what I could find it's not as much as a calculated vs measured but different test conditions that will set RON (idle and acceleration) and MON (full throttle). At least according to articles such as this one.
Around here, some people go with E85/gasohol without any conversion on some engines and apparently without issue. It's the case with the M112 in the Crossfire (R170 SLK320) and they often go with 50-80% ethanol without any other consideration and from what I read, most of them have no issue other than rough start in the cold and lower MPG.
Edit: For anyone interested, I found this article which sums it up pretty well imo.
However, from what I could find it's not as much as a calculated vs measured but different test conditions that will set RON (idle and acceleration) and MON (full throttle). At least according to articles such as this one.
Around here, some people go with E85/gasohol without any conversion on some engines and apparently without issue. It's the case with the M112 in the Crossfire (R170 SLK320) and they often go with 50-80% ethanol without any other consideration and from what I read, most of them have no issue other than rough start in the cold and lower MPG.
Edit: For anyone interested, I found this article which sums it up pretty well imo.
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Thanks for the info. And on the issue of using E85, my old E320 in fact had an M112 engine. So maybe they were all built to handle high ethanol content fuels.
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