spyder987

Just released Motor Trend article.

Interestingly my GLC43 AMG came with the Goodyear Eagle F1 tires. Too bad they didn't have those on the test vehicle. I love them.

Link in next post...

FrostyZoob

FYI: Your link is broken. Here's a working one:

JAGUAR F-PACE S VS. MERCEDES-AMG GLC43 VS. PORSCHE MACAN GTS COMPARISON
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/jagua...ts-comparison/

rihallix

Here's the correct URL:

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/jaguar/f-pace/2017/jaguar-f-pace-s-mercedes-amg-glc43-porsche-macan-gts-comparison/

although they rate
1st: Jaguar
2nd: Merc
3rd: Porsche

...as a Brit I feel obligated to add a Brit would never recommend a British car - reliability and repair bills are a challenge.

The review fixates heavily on driving hard on snow - maybe a consideration for some...

i was impressed that despite being the cheapest of the three tested vehicles the GLC43 had the most torque and was rated well for cabin comfort.

augerpro

This is the second review of the GLC43 that nitpicks its snow capability. I'm pretty settled on getting a GLC300 4matic and this concerns me. Is there a difference between the two or should I expect the same snow performance from the GLC300? This has a high importance to me.

edofloat

I have a GLC300 4M, the torque split is 45/55. I live in northern Minnesota and it is hilly enough here to know how it would work on a mountain pass. We have some roads that are 18% grade in places too. Although it has not snowed a ton this year, I do know that the snow we did get the GLC 300 works very well in snow over 12" deep going up a 10% grade. The GLC is far better than the GM AWD we had in the past, not even close. I can say if you add snow tires it works very well, I just can't imagine you have issues in Colorado.

augerpro

Is there a Snow button or Stability Off button in the GLC300? I think the other article i read on the GLC43 mentioned the lack of these possibly being a contributor or less than impressive snow performance.

spyder987

You definitely have stability off in the glc43. B7t come on that article references 4 wheel sl8des in the snow. You going good to be doing that?

dejongj

If that is that important to you then why not get a GLC with the off-road pack and winter tyres. Raise the suspension as well, unlike that Top Gear episode where they forgot to do that in South Africa.

Ultimately these are all three fantastic cars (well bar the GLC UK version but that is another story) so in LHD you can't go truly wrong with any of them.

augerpro

Seems a bit brute force. I'm more of a work smarter not harder type of person. Just seems odd that two articles now have nitpicked snow performance on the GLC43. Most AWD systems today "just work".

augerpro

Here is the other article I was thinking of, I guess this was also Motortrend: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/merce...43-first-test/

dejongj

Rear wheel drive bias with summer tyres is never going to be a good combination. Regardless of AWD system. Give me rear wheel drive with winter tyres anyway over AWD with summer tyres.

augerpro

I would order my GLC300 with the 19's and all-seasons. Anyway, in none of those articles with gripes is the summer-only tire involved. My rear-biased M235xi is fantastic in the snow.

guido3

I’ve now owned three 4Matics and several RWD Mercedes before that. RWD + snows didn’t come close to measuring up to any of the 4Matics with all-season tires.

Although my 4Matic wagon was a good performer in my often snow-drifted driveway, there were occasions when snow would pack up under the wagon and render it bootless. Over the last two winters my GLC 300 never missed a beat plowing through 12-15" of drifted snow. I should probably mention that U.S. versions of the GLC are equipped with code 482 (springs for higher ground clearance). I think the 2-inches of extra clearance helps, but I’ll leave it to the auto experts to quantify that.

Matteus GLC AMG

As a man who cancelled his GLC AMG43 order (due to RHD crabbing issues) for a 3 litre supercharged F-Pace, I confess to having enjoyed this thread immensely.....


Sorry about that

dejongj

hehehe

mleun481

That's unfortunate, but everyone should pick the vehicle that best fits their needs / wants.
I did the opposite - cancelled my F-Pace S order for the GLC43. The fpaceforum is a pretty active forum but the thread of 'Strangers' Reactions to Your F-Pace?' is a bit too much.

Matteus GLC AMG

Ha ha, yes that thread is a bit 'up itself' isn't it!! You in a RHD or LHD part of the world mleun?

FrostyZoob

All,

Regarding the poor performance of the GLC43 in the snow: There's a bit of pullback from the folks at Motor Trend on the "First Test" review of the GLC43:

You can read the rest of the article here:
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/merce...43-first-test/

Take from it what you will.

mleun481

I'm in the US - so, LHD. But, mine doesn't even go to production until 3rd decade of this month.

Ducatisti

I've tried the GLC in icey/snowy roads here in Norway, and the terrain/weather is pretty damn harsh up here. I always had studless (winter!) tires on my rwd MB, and I got to say the GLC impressed me. Only thing that is sad is that it has no diff-locks like the GLE/G-wagon. Such a game changer. I have several MB Actros/Arocs that are tandem with diff-locks and its just brutal how you just plough your way out of a problem. All on Continental HSW2 studless tires.

Dunno how terrain are where you's all live, but here you can't drive on "all-season tires". Rubber is way to hard for real winter.

Cheers lads!

Matteus GLC AMG

Ok, makes more sense - it would be odd to see someone cancelling F-pace for GLC in RHD given current tyre crabbing issues!


And just to show you never stop learning, I had no idea months were split-up into decades these days!!

ble2716

The F-Pace won over the GLC43 due to extreme wintry driving condition, which mean the F-Pace has a better AWD system.

All these three car are great, doesn't matter which one you go with.

Matteus, any news with your F-Pace yet ? and Are you ready to become a celebrity once you receive your F-Pace?

speed12sil

I saw a F-pace S on the road in the fast lane over the weekend, and thought from the rear right 3/4 view it looked like a bride with her wedding gown pulled up slightly to avoid getting the bottom dirty. So much for that CUV being a looker

augerpro

From that article: "The fixed torque split couldn’t adapt to the ultra-slick conditions, leaving it all up to the stability and traction control systems. It seems these weren’t developed with winter driving as a top priority, either. Their only solution to wheel slip is to clamp down the brakes on the offending wheel and cut engine power. Neither maximized traction at all four wheels like a dynamic torque vectoring system and dedicated winter driving mode could. The fixed amount of power going to the front wheels also had a tendency to introduce understeer if one is too aggressive with the throttle for the conditions."

Seems the Stability Off should have helped in this situation? I assume it is like my BMW where there is still safety nannies at work, just much more permissive? If so this sounds like the same philosophy of my BMW (which I love) in that normal mode is geared to safety and in slick conditions it is doing exactly that very well. If that is too restrictive turning Stability off (which turns on Dynamic Handling) will let you lay the power down, of course it is now up to you to not do something stupid. I'm cool with compromise.

dejongj

Ok don't laugh, but before we had our GLS we had a Prius, and that was terrible in the snow unless I switched off the safety nannies. They pulled the power back so much that it almost came to a halt. But yes don't do anything stupid, well no more stupid than buying that Prius but as I traded it in for a GLS I think I restored the balance in the universe :P

As such I can understand the concept to have to turn it off.