GLE 450/GLE 580 doubts questions & suggestions
05-22-2019, 08:45 AM
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GLE 450/GLE 580 doubts questions & suggestions
Hi guys, I'm considering to replace my 2015 range rover sport V8 that went through several issues to air suspensions, hi-fi meridian system and transmission flush with a new GLE 450 or an audi Q8.
The GLE is cheaper and has the fancy e-active body control, too bad mercedes doesn't offer the rear steering wheels that you can get on the X5 and Q8. I think I'll go with the benz anyway and this is going to be my first time, we have the LR and a caddy CTS 3.0T as second car.
Since I didn't get time to go to the dealer yet, I'd like asking a couple of questions to people that already got to drive and own the new GLE. Any help will be appreciated.
1) Is the wood steering wheel heated? Or just the regular one?
2) Does it have the launch control function?
3) Does the second row slide/incline manually (like the audi Q8) when you don't get the electrically adjustable second row function?
4) Is or will be possible to get the offroad package in US or Canada?
5) Does it have a rear torque vectoring to better distribuite the torque between the rear wheels?
6) Is the glovebox chilled (or any other compartment) on the car?
7) Does it have a low pressure tyre monitoring system?
Finally, would you rather waiting for the upcoming GLE 580 (there are several information on internet already) or get the 6 cylinders now? My LR is probably quicker than the GLE 450, even though I'm not looking for any speed on a midsize suv.
Thanks and greetings from Seattle.
The GLE is cheaper and has the fancy e-active body control, too bad mercedes doesn't offer the rear steering wheels that you can get on the X5 and Q8. I think I'll go with the benz anyway and this is going to be my first time, we have the LR and a caddy CTS 3.0T as second car.
Since I didn't get time to go to the dealer yet, I'd like asking a couple of questions to people that already got to drive and own the new GLE. Any help will be appreciated.
1) Is the wood steering wheel heated? Or just the regular one?
2) Does it have the launch control function?
3) Does the second row slide/incline manually (like the audi Q8) when you don't get the electrically adjustable second row function?
4) Is or will be possible to get the offroad package in US or Canada?
5) Does it have a rear torque vectoring to better distribuite the torque between the rear wheels?
6) Is the glovebox chilled (or any other compartment) on the car?
7) Does it have a low pressure tyre monitoring system?
Finally, would you rather waiting for the upcoming GLE 580 (there are several information on internet already) or get the 6 cylinders now? My LR is probably quicker than the GLE 450, even though I'm not looking for any speed on a midsize suv.
Thanks and greetings from Seattle.
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05-22-2019, 11:03 AM
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I will answer these as far as I know. Some things might be different for different markets.
1) Is the wood steering wheel heated? No.
2) Does it have the launch control function? No.
3) Does the second row slide/incline manually (like the audi Q8) when you don't get the electrically adjustable second row function? Only with 3rd row package.
4) Is or will be possible to get the offroad package in US or Canada? Not that I am aware of, at this time.
5) Does it have a rear torque vectoring to better distribuite the torque between the rear wheels? 4matic distributes torque between front and rear wheels.
6) Is the glovebox chilled (or any other compartment) on the car? No.
7) Does it have a low pressure tyre monitoring system? Yes
Finally, would you rather waiting for the upcoming GLE 580 (there are several information on internet already) or get the 6 cylinders now? That depends if you want an I6 or V8. V8 will be more powerful, but probably less efficient.
1) Is the wood steering wheel heated? No.
2) Does it have the launch control function? No.
3) Does the second row slide/incline manually (like the audi Q8) when you don't get the electrically adjustable second row function? Only with 3rd row package.
4) Is or will be possible to get the offroad package in US or Canada? Not that I am aware of, at this time.
5) Does it have a rear torque vectoring to better distribuite the torque between the rear wheels? 4matic distributes torque between front and rear wheels.
6) Is the glovebox chilled (or any other compartment) on the car? No.
7) Does it have a low pressure tyre monitoring system? Yes
Finally, would you rather waiting for the upcoming GLE 580 (there are several information on internet already) or get the 6 cylinders now? That depends if you want an I6 or V8. V8 will be more powerful, but probably less efficient.
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05-22-2019, 11:14 AM
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Hi guys, I'm considering to replace my 2015 range rover sport V8 that went through several issues to air suspensions, hi-fi meridian system and transmission flush with a new GLE 450 or an audi Q8.
The GLE is cheaper and has the fancy e-active body control, too bad mercedes doesn't offer the rear steering wheels that you can get on the X5 and Q8. I think I'll go with the benz anyway and this is going to be my first time, we have the LR and a caddy CTS 3.0T as second car.
Since I didn't get time to go to the dealer yet, I'd like asking a couple of questions to people that already got to drive and own the new GLE. Any help will be appreciated.
The GLE is cheaper and has the fancy e-active body control, too bad mercedes doesn't offer the rear steering wheels that you can get on the X5 and Q8. I think I'll go with the benz anyway and this is going to be my first time, we have the LR and a caddy CTS 3.0T as second car.
Since I didn't get time to go to the dealer yet, I'd like asking a couple of questions to people that already got to drive and own the new GLE. Any help will be appreciated.
1) Is the wood steering wheel heated? Or just the regular one?
2) Does it have the launch control function?
3) Does the second row slide/incline manually (like the audi Q8) when you don't get the electrically adjustable second row function?
4) Is or will be possible to get the offroad package in US or Canada?
5) Does it have a rear torque vectoring to better distribute the torque between the rear wheels?
6) Is the glovebox chilled (or any other compartment) on the car?)
7) Does it have a low pressure tyre monitoring system?
Finally, would you rather waiting for the upcoming GLE 580 (there are several information on internet already) or get the 6 cylinders now? My LR is probably quicker than the GLE 450, even though I'm not looking for any speed on a midsize suv.
05-22-2019, 02:44 PM
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Thanks, when I go to the dealer I'll have a lot of things to complain with, lol. I still find weird there are no chilled compartments or rear torque vectoring, all the main rivals get that stuff.
Btw, I could be wrong but I heard that the GLE 53 could be reserved to the european market only meanwhile the GLE 580 will be reserved to north america.
Btw, I could be wrong but I heard that the GLE 53 could be reserved to the european market only meanwhile the GLE 580 will be reserved to north america.
05-22-2019, 02:53 PM
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The link I gave you for the 53 is on MBUSA, so for sure it will come to the US, though could launch first in Europe. I don't know if the 580 will be available in Europe; I believe it is a short-term stopgap until the 53 & 63 are out.
05-22-2019, 03:25 PM
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Thanks, when I go to the dealer I'll have a lot of things to complain with, lol. I still find weird there are no chilled compartments or rear torque vectoring, all the main rivals get that stuff.
Btw, I could be wrong but I heard that the GLE 53 could be reserved to the european market only meanwhile the GLE 580 will be reserved to north america.
Btw, I could be wrong but I heard that the GLE 53 could be reserved to the european market only meanwhile the GLE 580 will be reserved to north america.
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From a menacing winter storm to a challenging corner, 4MATIC all-wheel drive makes the most of available traction by precisely engaging all four wheels. More than letting all four tires do the work equally, 4MATIC features a number of advanced, and quick-thinking innovations to empower each wheel individually as conditions change. So whether you're starting out on a slippery patch, encountering a sudden change in the weather, or even rounding a dry curve, 4MATIC helps you put your best foot forward.
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Audi has two methods of Torque Vectoring. One Applies braking to both inside wheels and the other uncouples the rear differential so that the inside and outside can turn at different speeds. At least that’s my understanding. The result is less centrifugal force in the car. I have the braking method and can attest that it makes a difference. I think that Mercedes has something similar in some 63 AMG’s.
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GLE 580 is now official:
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Mercedes-Benz will further expand the GLE model range with the introduction of the V8-powered Mercedes-Benz GLE 580 4MATIC. The all- new Mercedes-Benz GLE introduced a host of new innovations that established new benchmarks in the industry. For example, the GLE is the first SUV in the Mercedes-Benz line up to introduce the revolutionary new E-ACTIVE BODY CONTROL suspension – the world’s first 48-volt active suspension system. The new generation GLE also premiered extended driver assistance systems with Active Stop-and-Go Assist and an available third row seat for the first time. The redesigned, luxurious GLE interior features the latest technology from Mercedes-Benz including the revolutionary Mercedes-Benz User Experience (MBUX). This game-changing infotainment system offers intelligent voice control and natural language understanding, dual 12.3” digital touchscreen media displays, and augmented reality (AR) video for navigation.
At the heart of the GLE 580 4MATIC is the powerful, electrified V8 biturbo gasoline engine with a 48-volt on-board electrical system and integrated starter generator. This sophisticated powerplant offers an impressive output of 483 horsepower and 516 lb-ft of torque. In addition, the GLE 580 4MATIC is capable of producing an extra 184 lb-ft of torque and 21 horsepower through EQ Boost over short periods. The integrated starter generator (ISG) is responsible for hybrid functions such as EQ Boost and energy recuperation, resulting in fuel savings previously reserved for high-voltage hybrid technology.
The innovative ISG eliminates the need for a belt drive for ancillary components at the front of the engine, which reduces its overall length. The slim design of the engine, together with the physical separation of the intake/exhaust, creates space for a close-coupled exhaust after treatment.
The 48 V on-board electrical system serves not only high power consumers, such as the water pump and air-conditioning compressor, but also the integrated starter-generator (ISG), which also supplies energy to the battery by means of highly efficient energy recuperation.
The GLE 580 4MATIC also boasts the latest technological innovations from Mercedes-Benz including the variable 4MATIC all-wheel drive system. The revolutionary Mercedes-Benz User Experience (MBUX) multimedia system with Voice Control and natural language understanding is further enhanced with the newly available MBUX Interior Assistant. This update allows for intuitive operation of different comfort and MBUX functions by movement recognition.
In addition to its powerful exterior design, the new GLE offers an entirely redesigned interior with a dual 12.3” digital instrument cluster and touchscreen display, increased space and legroom for passengers and integrated grab handles on the center console.
Starting at $76,800,* the GLE 580 4MATIC features an extensive list of standard equipment including AIRMATIC air suspension with adaptive damping, leather upholstery, and exterior AMG Line, and it is optionally available with 22” wheels.
The new Mercedes-Benz GLE 580 4MATIC joins the GLE 350, GLE 350 4MATIC and GLE 450 4MATIC models, and will go on sale in the U.S. in late 2019.
At the heart of the GLE 580 4MATIC is the powerful, electrified V8 biturbo gasoline engine with a 48-volt on-board electrical system and integrated starter generator. This sophisticated powerplant offers an impressive output of 483 horsepower and 516 lb-ft of torque. In addition, the GLE 580 4MATIC is capable of producing an extra 184 lb-ft of torque and 21 horsepower through EQ Boost over short periods. The integrated starter generator (ISG) is responsible for hybrid functions such as EQ Boost and energy recuperation, resulting in fuel savings previously reserved for high-voltage hybrid technology.
The innovative ISG eliminates the need for a belt drive for ancillary components at the front of the engine, which reduces its overall length. The slim design of the engine, together with the physical separation of the intake/exhaust, creates space for a close-coupled exhaust after treatment.
The 48 V on-board electrical system serves not only high power consumers, such as the water pump and air-conditioning compressor, but also the integrated starter-generator (ISG), which also supplies energy to the battery by means of highly efficient energy recuperation.
The GLE 580 4MATIC also boasts the latest technological innovations from Mercedes-Benz including the variable 4MATIC all-wheel drive system. The revolutionary Mercedes-Benz User Experience (MBUX) multimedia system with Voice Control and natural language understanding is further enhanced with the newly available MBUX Interior Assistant. This update allows for intuitive operation of different comfort and MBUX functions by movement recognition.
In addition to its powerful exterior design, the new GLE offers an entirely redesigned interior with a dual 12.3” digital instrument cluster and touchscreen display, increased space and legroom for passengers and integrated grab handles on the center console.
Starting at $76,800,* the GLE 580 4MATIC features an extensive list of standard equipment including AIRMATIC air suspension with adaptive damping, leather upholstery, and exterior AMG Line, and it is optionally available with 22” wheels.
The new Mercedes-Benz GLE 580 4MATIC joins the GLE 350, GLE 350 4MATIC and GLE 450 4MATIC models, and will go on sale in the U.S. in late 2019.
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Audi has two methods of Torque Vectoring. One Applies braking to both inside wheels and the other uncouples the rear differential so that the inside and outside can turn at different speeds. At least that’s my understanding. The result is less centrifugal force in the car. I have the braking method and can attest that it makes a difference. I think that Mercedes has something similar in some 63 AMG’s.
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I think you got that partly right. The purpose of all differentials is to let the inside and outside wheels turn at different speeds. But, it takes a special design to have more torque applied to the outside wheels. There is a system that uses the brakes to transfer torque, but this is not favored in high performance cars (using brakes to go faster). The Audi S4, S5 & S6 with Sport Differential use special gears and clutches in the rear differential to transfer more torque to the outside rear wheel to reduce understeer and sharpen steering of these nose-heavy cars. None of this changes the centrifugal force.
This also affects steering. I recently ran a windy road 15 miles out of town with my wife back to back in our SQ5 and GLE at the same speed. My wife had to brace herself in the GLE in Sport Mode and very little in the Audi. The Audi stays flatter and is lighter so it’s not apples to apples.
My terminology may be wrong but all things equal....speed in a corner creates centrifugal force creating understeer. Torque Vectoring done correctly reduces understeer offsetting the effects of CF. This is far from my field of expertise so take it in that spirit.
05-24-2019, 11:19 AM
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I'm so glad the USA is getting the V8 GLE580 instead of the supercharged L6 AMG53! I love buttery smooth inline 6's but the engine balance on a V8 is almost as nice. And as someone works under the hood a lot, I appreciate the engine bay layout of the V8 over the cumbersome inline 6.
There is no replacement for displacement.
There is no replacement for displacement.
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I'm so glad the USA is getting the V8 GLE580 instead of the supercharged L6 AMG53! I love buttery smooth inline 6's but the engine balance on a V8 is almost as nice. And as someone works under the hood a lot, I appreciate the engine bay layout of the V8 over the cumbersome inline 6.
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There is no way the US isn't getting the 53. The 580 is rumored to be a limited build so there may not be any available after the early orders are filled. To be sure one should have an order placed soon, IMO.
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05-24-2019, 01:50 PM
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"The sense of freedom that the GLE radiates cannot be measured – but its off-road capabilities can. Its standard maximum climbing ability is 80 percent. With the Off-Road Engineering Package's off-road gear activated, it can tackle inclines of up to 100 percent – depending on the nature of the terrain. Thanks to short overhangs the angle of approach/departure at the front and rear is 26° – and with the Off-Road Engineering Package this increases to an impressive 30° at the front and 29° at the rear. The breakover angle is 17°. The fording depth of 50 centimetres can be increased to 60 centimetres with the Off-Road Engineering Package. Figures may differ depending on the engine variant and on-board equipment."
The breakover angle jumps to 22° with the offroad engineering package.
Compared to the specs you added on the other post, looks like approach, departure and ramp angle are the same of the new suv (expect for 1° less on the departure angle), but the wading depth dropped by 10 cm/4 inches. It could be due to the electric engine of the new GLE 450 or maybe they forgot on the new manual to specify that the offroad package give those extra inches of wading depth (because even the old GLE can ford 20 inches/23 inches of water based on the presence of the offroad engineering package or not.
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Getting back to the other post, I've found some offroad data of the old GLE with the offroad engineering package. Here are the pieces:
"The sense of freedom that the GLE radiates cannot be measured – but its off-road capabilities can. Its standard maximum climbing ability is 80 percent. With the Off-Road Engineering Package's off-road gear activated, it can tackle inclines of up to 100 percent – depending on the nature of the terrain. Thanks to short overhangs the angle of approach/departure at the front and rear is 26° – and with the Off-Road Engineering Package this increases to an impressive 30° at the front and 29° at the rear. The breakover angle is 17°. The fording depth of 50 centimetres can be increased to 60 centimetres with the Off-Road Engineering Package. Figures may differ depending on the engine variant and on-board equipment."
The breakover angle jumps to 22° with the offroad engineering package.
Compared to the specs you added on the other post, looks like approach, departure and ramp angle are the same of the new suv (expect for 1° less on the departure angle), but the wading depth dropped by 10 cm/4 inches. It could be due to the electric engine of the new GLE 450 or maybe they forgot on the new manual to specify that the offroad package give those extra inches of wading depth (because even the old GLE can ford 20 inches/23 inches of water based on the presence of the offroad engineering package or not.
"The sense of freedom that the GLE radiates cannot be measured – but its off-road capabilities can. Its standard maximum climbing ability is 80 percent. With the Off-Road Engineering Package's off-road gear activated, it can tackle inclines of up to 100 percent – depending on the nature of the terrain. Thanks to short overhangs the angle of approach/departure at the front and rear is 26° – and with the Off-Road Engineering Package this increases to an impressive 30° at the front and 29° at the rear. The breakover angle is 17°. The fording depth of 50 centimetres can be increased to 60 centimetres with the Off-Road Engineering Package. Figures may differ depending on the engine variant and on-board equipment."
The breakover angle jumps to 22° with the offroad engineering package.
Compared to the specs you added on the other post, looks like approach, departure and ramp angle are the same of the new suv (expect for 1° less on the departure angle), but the wading depth dropped by 10 cm/4 inches. It could be due to the electric engine of the new GLE 450 or maybe they forgot on the new manual to specify that the offroad package give those extra inches of wading depth (because even the old GLE can ford 20 inches/23 inches of water based on the presence of the offroad engineering package or not.
05-25-2019, 04:58 PM
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In Europe, there is nearly no more 8 cylinders and 6 cylinders are more and more become 4 cylinders.
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05-25-2019, 06:29 PM
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8 Cylinders are just as prolific in europe, GLC has recently introduced 63 and 63s, 63gle planned for next year. Lots of 6 cylinders in petrol and diesel, 4 cylinders have always been around.
05-27-2019, 04:40 AM
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Waiting for the release so i can order mine, diesel is dead in Sweden with ridiculous high environment taxes...
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