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2018 E300 Sport:Current 2015 Mercedes Benz C300 Sport- Gone.
Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
As I previously mentioned, my goal was to adapt W166 wheels to use as Winters. Drilling out the lug holes is pretty straightforward, but the rears could really use 12mm spacer to be optimum fit.
It is just probably going to be sometime until there is an ample supply with various lengths and lug seats available. Once again, I posted this thread so people would be informed as wheels are usually one of the main things that people change on a car. However nowadays with so many cars coming with the AMG upgraded wheels over standard MB wheels, the trend of changing the wheels has been reduced, but there are still those that want to be different, so I figured this was good info for people that were excited about this new model.
Well, this thread answers my question of using my Blizzak's that are mounted to their own rims from my 2016 GLE...........
It depends on the wheel specs (do you have the specs?). I still think my 2012 20s will work with a simple drilling out of the lug holes. I am going to test fit this weekend.
It depends on the wheel specs (do you have the specs?). I still think my 2012 20s will work with a simple drilling out of the lug holes. I am going to test fit this weekend.
I need to research them. Hopefully Tirerack can recall the order.
One other tidbit. There is no wheel mounting pin (AKA wheel hanger) included in the tool kit, though there appears to be a place for it. Ordered one through the dealer - #204 581 0074, $7.25.[/quote]
Update: That is the part number that came up with my VIN, but it is not the correct size - 14 mm instead of 15. I questioned the parts guy when I picked it up, because it looked small, but he was going by the computer. Sure enough, got it home and confirmed it's for the old spec.
Last edited by GregW / Oregon; 06-11-2019 at 06:14 PM.
2018 E300 Sport:Current 2015 Mercedes Benz C300 Sport- Gone.
The multi spoke design is similar to a mesh, like old racing wheels...the balance of weight allows the multi spoke to be lighter than that of a 5 spoke that needs a more robust spoke to counter weight that is missing.
The tires in 21 are lower profile so that could also help the weight too.
The multi spoke design is similar to a mesh, like old racing wheels...the balance of weight allows the multi spoke to be lighter than that of a 5 spoke that needs a more robust spoke to counter weight that is missing.
The tires in 21 are lower profile so that could also help the weight too.
The rule of thumb is that wheels are heavier than the tires they replace as diameter goes up, and these wheels are an inch wider than on my W166. Anyhow, I was pleasantly surprised.
Current GLE project is adapting my W166 20x9 wheels to the V167 for Winter tires. All the lug holes will need to be bored out (already have drill bits ordered), rears will need 12mm spacers (in contact with a company for that) and extended lug bolts for the rears (found US-made titanium but pricey). All this is made harder because of the newness of this car and these changes. A challenge! Luckily, I have 4 months or so to finish this project!
Attached is a pic of the wheels I am adapting from my '12, refinished in Lamborghini grey with silver added by a local company. I think they will be very passable for Winters. As I reported in another thread, they are actually heavier than the thirteen-spoke 21x10 RWA's with same width tire (the titanium bolts would help.
I've arranged for the production of a mounting pin in stainless to the new M15 spec. This company makes a very nice one and has agreed to produce a run of them: https://www.reverselogic.us/lug-guides.html. I will let everyone know when they are available.
2018 E300 Sport:Current 2015 Mercedes Benz C300 Sport- Gone.
Originally Posted by tery
M15x1.25x60mm
What lug seat are those? Are those produced with a ball seat for the factory wheels to be spaced?
For aftermarket wheels, most use a Cone seat and require only a 28-33mm length.
Current GLE project is adapting my W166 20x9 wheels to the V167 for Winter tires. All the lug holes will need to be bored out (already have drill bits ordered), rears will need 12mm spacers (in contact with a company for that) and extended lug bolts for the rears (found US-made titanium but pricey). All this is made harder because of the newness of this car and these changes. A challenge! Luckily, I have 4 months or so to finish this project!
Attached is a pic of the wheels I am adapting from my '12, refinished in Lamborghini grey with silver added by a local company. I think they will be very passable for Winters. As I reported in another thread, they are actually heavier than the thirteen-spoke 21x10 RWA's with same width tire (the titanium bolts would help.
So, I started drilling out the lug holes using a heavy-duty 1/2" drill, progressing from a 19/32" to a 39/64" bit. My drill press does not have a big enough throat to use it (need about 9 1/2"). The drills seemed to self-center in the existing holes well.
Stock W166 lug hole - 0.58" (14.73mm)
Stock V167 lug hole on my 21s - 0.62" (15.75mm)
Drilled with 19/32" - 0.594"
Drilled with 39/64" - 0.609"
Lug bolts have a "bulge" that retains the seat that measures 0.606"
Smoothed hole with die grinder. The lugs now fit fine. One down, nineteen to go!
Update: All done! Once I got going it only took about 10 minutes per wheel. Glad I had a torquey drill. This weekend I will test fit a wheel.
Last edited by GregW / Oregon; 06-21-2019 at 08:23 PM.
What lug seat are those? Are those produced with a ball seat for the factory wheels to be spaced?
For aftermarket wheels, most use a Cone seat and require only a 28-33mm length.
As he replied, those are R14 radius seat. The stock lugs have a 45mm length, and the head dimension is also pretty long. I'm getting ready to order some of these for my Winter wheels.
So, I started drilling out the lug holes using a heavy-duty 1/2" drill, progressing from a 19/32" to a 39/64" bit. My drill press does not have a big enough throat to use it (need about 9 1/2"). The drills seemed to self-center in the existing holes well.
Stock W166 lug hole - 0.58" (14.73mm)
Stock V167 lug hole on my 21s - 0.62" (15.75mm)
Drilled with 19/32" - 0.594"
Drilled with 39/64" - 0.609"
Lug bolts have a "bulge" that retains the seat that measures 0.606"
Smoothed hole with die grinder. The lugs now fit fine. One down, nineteen to go!
Update: All done! Once I got going it only took about 10 minutes per wheel. Glad I had a torquey drill. This weekend I will test fit a wheel.
You think 19/32” bit will be big enough for the M15 bolt to go through? Or 39/64” to match OEM v167 spec ?
Current GLE project is adapting my W166 20x9 wheels to the V167 for Winter tires. All the lug holes will need to be bored out (already have drill bits ordered), rears will need 12mm spacers (in contact with a company for that) and extended lug bolts for the rears (found US-made titanium but pricey). All this is made harder because of the newness of this car and these changes. A challenge! Luckily, I have 4 months or so to finish this project!
Attached is a pic of the wheels I am adapting from my '12, refinished in Lamborghini grey with silver added by a local company. I think they will be very passable for Winters. As I reported in another thread, they are actually heavier than the thirteen-spoke 21x10 RWA's with same width tire (the titanium bolts would help.
So, I started drilling out the lug holes using a heavy-duty 1/2" drill, progressing from a 19/32" to a 39/64" bit. My drill press does not have a big enough throat to use it (need about 9 1/2"). The drills seemed to self-center in the existing holes well.
Stock W166 lug hole - 0.58" (14.73mm)
Stock V167 lug hole on my 21s - 0.62" (15.75mm)
Drilled with 19/32" - 0.594"
Drilled with 39/64" - 0.609"
Lug bolts have a "bulge" that retains the seat that measures 0.606"
Smoothed hole with die grinder. The lugs now fit fine. One down, nineteen to go!
Update: All done! Once I got going it only took about 10 minutes per wheel. Glad I had a torquey drill. This weekend I will test fit a wheel. Update 6/23: I test fit a wheel to my GLE 350 loaner to verify hole alignment -- fit easily. Next items - 12mm spacers & extended lug bolts for the rear. Hopefully the aftermarket will catch up as more of these get on the road.
Last edited by GregW / Oregon; 06-23-2019 at 07:36 PM.
Good choice on the Milwaukee tools. The best or nothing.
I can't tell you how much money I have in tools (actually about $50k, but that includes woodworking & other tools). Quality is my first priority. Harbor Freight may be fine for something you will use once, but not satisfying. I still have SnapOn sockets tools I bought in college 48 years ago that are perfect. It just feels good to use a quality tool you know you can trust.
Thanks, Tery. I just ordered these from http://www.honest-titanium.com/index.html out of China. Totally custom and their capability and quality seem great. They are about 2/3 the price is was quoted from California.
06-05-2019, 05:01 PM
