New GLE has different Lug bolts
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Lug bolt
Thank you for the info!
I was about to order, but then I was looking for the part # in Google images, it seems that it is not exactly our Lug bolt, does not have the floating collar and the beefier part next to the threads.
The images on some of the parts suppliers are generic.
Is there a way to find out the correct part # with a corresponding image?
Did you actually order these specific ones?
If yes, that would be reassuring
I was about to order, but then I was looking for the part # in Google images, it seems that it is not exactly our Lug bolt, does not have the floating collar and the beefier part next to the threads.
The images on some of the parts suppliers are generic.
Is there a way to find out the correct part # with a corresponding image?
Did you actually order these specific ones?
If yes, that would be reassuring
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I’m not sure why you need a spare lug bolt, the stock are very well built. Anyone with a set of wheel locks already has 4 spare so that might be a source.
The best way to get an exact match is to order through your Dealer. They use your VIN lookup and will match exact OEM parts from your specific VIN.
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I’m not sure why you need a spare lug bolt, the stock are very well built. Anyone with a set of wheel locks already has 4 spare so that might be a source.
The best way to get an exact match is to order through your Dealer. They use your VIN lookup and will match exact OEM parts from your specific VIN.
The best way to get an exact match is to order through your Dealer. They use your VIN lookup and will match exact OEM parts from your specific VIN.
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True except for there are two…silver and black. Using the VIN eliminates the possibility of getting them from another model. My dealer uses VIN lookup for all parts orders since most customers won’t have a PN.
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GLE580
I'm a UK noob to the forum and own a GLE580.
This is a great thread (kudos to GregW 👍
- having struggled to swap my summer wheels for the winter ones 😖 I'm keen to buy a couple of these wheel alignment tools.
It seems the website "reverselogic.us" is no longer available - at least I can't access it from the UK. When I try and connect I get an Error 502 on a redirect to "www.steelmantools.com"
Just wondering if this is because I'm in the UK - has anyone else had this problem? Any advice would be appreciated !
This is a great thread (kudos to GregW 👍
- having struggled to swap my summer wheels for the winter ones 😖 I'm keen to buy a couple of these wheel alignment tools.It seems the website "reverselogic.us" is no longer available - at least I can't access it from the UK. When I try and connect I get an Error 502 on a redirect to "www.steelmantools.com"
Just wondering if this is because I'm in the UK - has anyone else had this problem? Any advice would be appreciated !
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Wheel hanger / guide tool
I'm a UK noob to the forum and own a GLE580.
This is a great thread (kudos to GregW 👍 - having struggled to swap my summer wheels for the winter ones 😖 I'm keen to buy a couple of these wheel alignment tools.
It seems the website "reverselogic.us" is no longer available - at least I can't access it from the UK. When I try and connect I get an Error 502 on a redirect to "www.steelmantools.com"
Just wondering if this is because I'm in the UK - has anyone else had this problem? Any advice would be appreciated !
This is a great thread (kudos to GregW 👍
- having struggled to swap my summer wheels for the winter ones 😖 I'm keen to buy a couple of these wheel alignment tools.It seems the website "reverselogic.us" is no longer available - at least I can't access it from the UK. When I try and connect I get an Error 502 on a redirect to "www.steelmantools.com"
Just wondering if this is because I'm in the UK - has anyone else had this problem? Any advice would be appreciated !
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Thank you for the info!
I was about to order, but then I was looking for the part # in Google images, it seems that it is not exactly our Lug bolt, does not have the floating collar and the beefier part next to the threads.
The images on some of the parts suppliers are generic.
Is there a way to find out the correct part # with a corresponding image?
Did you actually order these specific ones?
If yes, that would be reassuring
I was about to order, but then I was looking for the part # in Google images, it seems that it is not exactly our Lug bolt, does not have the floating collar and the beefier part next to the threads.
The images on some of the parts suppliers are generic.
Is there a way to find out the correct part # with a corresponding image?
Did you actually order these specific ones?
If yes, that would be reassuring
The MB part number is: A0009904518, for the silver OEM ones.
BTW, I ordered spares because the dealership over tighten them when the car was in B service,
and it was impossible to remove with my Makita Impact Wrench.
The bit was split in half and the bolt was stripped and unusable with the “flower” bits.
I did not ask them to check the bolts, they just did it as part of the routine, I guess.
I had to use the original MB from the trunk with a long breaker on it, and a mallet to push it in, and then remove the bolt.
With that said, I though that investing $30 to have 10 spares is well worth it for peace of mind, so I don’t need to wait
for it when I need it now.
When I change my tires to Winter/Summer I use a torque wrench and work with precision tools with no issues.
Thanks again to Greg for all the original guidance on purchasing the right tools, the dual bolt guides are life savers 😊
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Flower head bolt removal
I wanted to follow-up if anyone is interested in the future as well.
BTW, I ordered spares because the dealership over tighten them when the car was in B service, and it was impossible to remove with my Makita Impact Wrench.
The bit was split in half and the bolt was stripped and unusable with the “flower” bits. I had to use the original MB from the trunk with a long breaker on it, and a mallet to push it in, and then remove the bolt. When I change my tires to Winter/Summer I use a torque wrench and work with precision tools with no issues.
BTW, I ordered spares because the dealership over tighten them when the car was in B service, and it was impossible to remove with my Makita Impact Wrench.
The bit was split in half and the bolt was stripped and unusable with the “flower” bits. I had to use the original MB from the trunk with a long breaker on it, and a mallet to push it in, and then remove the bolt. When I change my tires to Winter/Summer I use a torque wrench and work with precision tools with no issues.
Thanks again to Greg for all the original guidance on purchasing the right tools, the dual bolt guides are life savers 😊[/QUOTE]
Last edited by GregW / Oregon; Jun 18, 2022 at 05:16 PM.
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By "bit" do you mean "socket?" Do you have a quality flower head socket? If not: https://www.ultimategarage.com/shop/...oducts_id=8303 Do not use this with a heavy duty torque wrench. They do have a heavy duty one as well designed for deformed heads, which is what you described: https://www.ultimategarage.com/shop/...oducts_id=8305. Never use a standard hex socket on the flower head bolts.
Thanks again to Greg for all the original guidance on purchasing the right tools, the dual bolt guides are life savers 😊
Thanks again to Greg for all the original guidance on purchasing the right tools, the dual bolt guides are life savers 😊
Yes, I mean socket
This is the exact one that split, I ordered it based on your recommendation with the guides.
The dealership tightened the bolts so hard that they deformed to an extent that it was impossible to fit any flower head socket. The MB hex one did the trick with huge amount of force and efforts using a long heavy duty breaker extender.
It's not supposed to be a big effort to extract the bolts.
I only use flower sockets on these bolts and do everything by the book with no issues. But when a 3rd party does its thing, things can go south.
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Yes, I mean socket
This is the exact one that split, I ordered it based on your recommendation with the guides.
The dealership tightened the bolts so hard that they deformed to an extent that it was impossible to fit any flower head socket. The MB hex one did the trick with huge amount of force and efforts using a long heavy duty breaker extender.
It's not supposed to be a big effort to extract the bolts.
I only use flower sockets on these bolts and do everything by the book with no issues. But when a 3rd party does its thing, things can go south.
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I wanted to follow-up if anyone is interested in the future as well.
The MB part number is: A0009904518, for the silver OEM ones.
BTW, I ordered spares because the dealership over tighten them when the car was in B service,
and it was impossible to remove with my Makita Impact Wrench.
The bit was split in half and the bolt was stripped and unusable with the “flower” bits.
I did not ask them to check the bolts, they just did it as part of the routine, I guess.
The MB part number is: A0009904518, for the silver OEM ones.
BTW, I ordered spares because the dealership over tighten them when the car was in B service,
and it was impossible to remove with my Makita Impact Wrench.
The bit was split in half and the bolt was stripped and unusable with the “flower” bits.
I did not ask them to check the bolts, they just did it as part of the routine, I guess.
Going in for my 1st Service A next month.... hopefully I don't have any issues when they return it to me.
Got a wheel hanger after the 1st time working on my BMW 10 yrs ago. I'm not trying to wrestle a 20 inch wheel package, so I got 2 for the GLE.
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Tire rotation
Your 20" wheels have different offsets in front and rear, so the only way to rotate is to remove and remount the tires. I doubt the dealer is going to do that, or is the do, it's going to be expensive.
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Lugz
Hi all bringing this amazing thread back to life. Greg wow very informative.
have any more manufacturers started making and selling the bolts? Last source here is Fastcousa.com
what part # on their website?
im not sure i feel comfortable doing any of this on my wifes GLE she drives our kids in it. I think I should just eat the loss on the wheels and sell them.
have any more manufacturers started making and selling the bolts? Last source here is Fastcousa.com
what part # on their website?
im not sure i feel comfortable doing any of this on my wifes GLE she drives our kids in it. I think I should just eat the loss on the wheels and sell them.
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Hi all bringing this amazing thread back to life. Greg wow very informative.
have any more manufacturers started making and selling the bolts? Last source here is Fastcousa.com
what part # on their website?
im not sure i feel comfortable doing any of this on my wifes GLE she drives our kids in it. I think I should just eat the loss on the wheels and sell them.
have any more manufacturers started making and selling the bolts? Last source here is Fastcousa.com
what part # on their website?
im not sure i feel comfortable doing any of this on my wifes GLE she drives our kids in it. I think I should just eat the loss on the wheels and sell them.
From your post it’s not clear if you have older OEM wheels (ball seat) or Aftermarket (conical seat) or what vehicle you are putting them on? It’s OK to be cautious but don’t overthink the bolt issue.
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Tire Rack supplies the correct lug bolts with orders from them. I found two suppliers with different length bolts 3 years ago…Amazon had them. There’s nothing wrong with aftermarket bolts unless maybe you are racing weekends on the Track…that few would ever do. Mercedes bumped up to 15mm, Porsche still uses 14mm bolts.
From your post it’s not clear if you have older OEM wheels (ball seat) or Aftermarket (conical seat) or what vehicle you are putting them on? It’s OK to be cautious but don’t overthink the bolt issue.
From your post it’s not clear if you have older OEM wheels (ball seat) or Aftermarket (conical seat) or what vehicle you are putting them on? It’s OK to be cautious but don’t overthink the bolt issue.
Thanks for your reply.
My car is the 2020 GLE 450
I believe the wheels I want to put up are the identical wheels original Poster "GregW" created.
Here is the picture of the weels ( Not ones at back those are my E class.)
Do you have link/part number from TireRack?
Thanks again
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Thanks for your reply.
My car is the 2020 GLE 450
I believe the wheels I want to put up are the identical wheels original Poster "GregW" created.
Here is the picture of the weels ( Not ones at back those are my E class.)
Do you have link/part number from TireRack?
Thanks again
My car is the 2020 GLE 450
I believe the wheels I want to put up are the identical wheels original Poster "GregW" created.
Here is the picture of the weels ( Not ones at back those are my E class.)
Do you have link/part number from TireRack?
Thanks again
The proper bolt length may or may not be the issue. You might need a longer bolt than the one on your vehicle. I believe that those wheels should be able to accept the non OEM lug bolts.. An aftermarket bolt doesn’t have the bulge of the factory bolt and should fit through your wheel without drilling. Factory bolt is M15x1.25 48mm length. Greg needed M15x1.25 57mm length…+/- 3mm should be OK. You should be able to find longer bolts now since they are making them for offset kits. You might try a search for M15x1.25 ball seat bolts and then check the bolt length measured from the tip to the top of the taper. If that doesn’t work search for 1/2” offset kit for a 2020 GLE 450 and look for bolts included at 54-60 mm.
If I get some time tonight I’ll see what I can find.
The other consideration is the age of your old tires, maybe you just want to use the wheels and buy new tires? A new tire and wheel set might be a better long run solution if you are keeping the car for 3+ years.
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The Tire Rack bolts are for Conical aftermarket wheels. You have Factory wheels with a ball seat. As I recall, Greg drilled his wheels for the 15mm bolt and had some custom made.
The proper bolt length may or may not be the issue. You might need a longer bolt than the one on your vehicle. I believe that those wheels should be able to accept the non OEM lug bolts.. An aftermarket bolt doesn’t have the bulge of the factory bolt and should fit through your wheel without drilling. Factory bolt is M15x1.25 48mm length. Greg needed M15x1.25 57mm length…+/- 3mm should be OK. You should be able to find longer bolts now since they are making them for offset kits. You might try a search for M15x1.25 ball seat bolts and then check the bolt length measured from the tip to the top of the taper. If that doesn’t work search for 1/2” offset kit for a 2020 GLE 450 and look for bolts included at 54-60 mm.
If I get some time tonight I’ll see what I can find.
The other consideration is the age of your old tires, maybe you just want to use the wheels and buy new tires? A new tire and wheel set might be a better long run solution if you are keeping the car for 3+ years.
The proper bolt length may or may not be the issue. You might need a longer bolt than the one on your vehicle. I believe that those wheels should be able to accept the non OEM lug bolts.. An aftermarket bolt doesn’t have the bulge of the factory bolt and should fit through your wheel without drilling. Factory bolt is M15x1.25 48mm length. Greg needed M15x1.25 57mm length…+/- 3mm should be OK. You should be able to find longer bolts now since they are making them for offset kits. You might try a search for M15x1.25 ball seat bolts and then check the bolt length measured from the tip to the top of the taper. If that doesn’t work search for 1/2” offset kit for a 2020 GLE 450 and look for bolts included at 54-60 mm.
If I get some time tonight I’ll see what I can find.
The other consideration is the age of your old tires, maybe you just want to use the wheels and buy new tires? A new tire and wheel set might be a better long run solution if you are keeping the car for 3+ years.
We have lots of rims shops here Ontario, i will call a few and see fi they hav eM15x1.25 ball seat bolts in the 54-60mm range.
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Adapting W166 wheels to V167
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Those should work fine with 12mm spacers for the rear. For the front without spacers you need 45-48mm length, which I also see in that section. Without the OEM bulge they may fit fine in the stock lug holes of those wheels. You need to measure with a caliper to be sure.
You used 19/32 drill bit to widen the holes on the rims? I have nothing to loose with these wheels, I'm just going to give this a shot. Worst case new rims. and in the future wiser decisions..
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anyone know any sources?
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Is the below link the correct hanger? Is one enough or is two advised?
https://steelmantools.com/products/s...l&_ss=e&_v=1.0
https://steelmantools.com/products/s...l&_ss=e&_v=1.0
