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I believe(?) I should have written "AMG 20 inch 5-double-spoke-design". (The Canadian Benz build site calls them "20-inch AMG 5-twin spoke aero... so confusing)
The twin spoke wheels are very nice, also - my father-in-law's E-Class sedan has them; they do look distinctly different.
Received my custom lug bolts today (M15x1.25x57mm). Quality seems excellent. From China; 7 weeks from order. These will be for my Winter wheels which came from my '12ML; using 12mm spacers in the rear for the stock fit.
What a saga. To reiterate, I'm going to use 12mm spacers with the rear wheels from my W166 for my Winter setup to achieve the OEM offset. There are no radius seat extended M15x1.25 lug bolts on the market even to this point, AFAIK. So, I ended up ordering custom titanium ones from a Chinese company forum member tery from Vancouver found. $318 seemed like a good deal, compared to us quote of $499 for US made ones. Company seemed legit and with good capabilities.
Well, after 7 weeks I received them, and they were beautiful, but the bolt seat was not the correct shape. https://mbworld.org/forums/gle-class...ml#post7826552 No way I was going to use them. I did a CAD drawing to explain the situation: https://mbworld.org/forums/gle-class...ml#post7829026 They agreed to remake them, but insisted I return the original ones, at my expense. Cost me $161, So today, four months after my original order, at a total cost of $479 and much grief, I get the new ones. This time it looks like they have the correct seat shape, but I have yet to try them in the car because my wife has it. Long story short, think long and hard about custom ordering from China, then just say no!
What a saga. To reiterate, I'm going to use 12mm spacers with the rear wheels from my W166 for my Winter setup to achieve the OEM offset. There are no radius seat extended M15x1.25 lug bolts on the market even to this point, AFAIK. So, I ended up ordering custom titanium ones from a Chinese company forum member tery from Vancouver found. $318 seemed like a good deal, compared to us quote of $499 for US made ones. Company seemed legit and with good capabilities.
Well, after 7 weeks I received them, and they were beautiful, but the bolt seat was not the correct shape. https://mbworld.org/forums/gle-class...ml#post7826552 No way I was going to use them. I did a CAD drawing to explain the situation: https://mbworld.org/forums/gle-class...ml#post7829026 They agreed to remake them, but insisted I return the original ones, at my expense. Cost me $161, So today, four months after my original order, at a total cost of $479 and much grief, I get the new ones. This time it looks like they have the correct seat shape, but I have yet to try them in the car because my wife has it. Long story short, think long and hard about custom ordering from China, then just say no!
Ordered mine yesterday, thanks for sharing the information Greg. (actually, I ordered the lug bolts guides for the GLE, not the female threaded tool)
Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
As a side note, the ReverseLogic owner says, "One of our next projects is a 14x1.5 x 200mm female threaded tool for the new C8 Corvette. We will use the same 12mm hex chuck that we used for the M15 tool on the M14 female threaded tool. You would think that female threaded tools would have no market. But, they actually outsell the male threaded tools since there is no competition in a market place that does not make sense to other vendors. And there are hundreds of competitors for male threaded tools."
Speaking of new lug bolts, when I installed my winter tire setup (I used a breaker bar with flower socket, no impact wrench), I struggled to get a grip on one lug bolt. Look at the photo below. I assume that this is the factory's handiwork, I don't think the dealership would have touched the wheels. Not an immediate issue, as the tirerack winter tire setup uses different lug bolts.
Speaking of new lug bolts, when I installed my winter tire setup (I used a breaker bar with flower socket, no impact wrench), I struggled to get a grip on one lug bolt. Look at the photo below. I assume that this is the factory's handiwork, I don't think the dealership would have touched the wheels. Not an immediate issue, as the tirerack winter tire setup uses different lug bolts.
Hard to imagine that was done at the factory. The good news is a replacement is only $7.30. I use an impact wrench with the flower head socket (not for final tightening) with no damage.
Hard to imagine that was done at the factory. The good news is a replacement is only $7.30. I use an impact wrench with the flower head socket (not for final tightening) with no damage.
I agree, but it was rusted. so the only option is factory or dealer. I'm swinging by one day this week to get a replacement.
I've arranged for the production of a mounting pin in stainless to the new M15 spec. This company makes a very nice one and has agreed to produce a run of them: https://www.reverselogic.us/lug-guides.html. I will let everyone know when they are available.
Please be advised this will only fit oem wheels and will not work on aftermarket wheels because its machined wider at the base.
Last edited by Henry Stark; Dec 25, 2019 at 01:04 PM.
Please be advised this will only fit OEM wheels and will not work on aftermarket wheels because its machined wider at the base.
Good point - tool measures 0.610" (15.5mm) d. at widest. OEM lug bolt is 0.604" d. OEM wheel lug hole is 0.620" (15.75mm) d. I'm not sure what the aftermarket wheels are running, but they are probably have smaller holes because the bolts are not bulged to retain the seat like on the OEMs. I drilled out my W166 wheels to 39/64" (0.609") but it's not quite enough for the tool. Will enlarge to 5/8".
If anyone has a caliper and chance to measure the holes on an aftermarket wheel, please do so. I would like to give feedback to the guide tool manufacturer.
Last edited by GregW / Oregon; Dec 25, 2019 at 01:29 PM.
Won’t work on Vossen, must be 15 mm. At least the bolts fit!
This is from the tool mfr.:
Greg -
Thanks for bringing this matter to my attention. I will definitely be reducing the diameter of the tools a bit. I will also replace the tools for anyone encountering a problem. I did try to find a record of the sale to Henry Stark, but, that must just be his forum handle. Could you PM him and ask him to get in touch with me? I don't want to do that myself since I am not n MBWorld sponsor.
Sorry about the delayed response. It's been family first the last few days.
Regards,
Reverse Logic Limited
Fred www.ReverseLogic.us 216-235-8584 Verizon
Thanks for bringing this matter to my attention. I will definitely be reducing the diameter of the tools a bit. I will also replace the tools for anyone encountering a problem. I did try to find a record of the sale to Henry Stark, but, that must just be his forum handle. Could you PM him and ask him to get in touch with me? I don't want to do that myself since I am not n MBWorld sponsor.
Sorry about the delayed response. It's been family first the last few days.
Regards,
Reverse Logic Limited
Fred www.ReverseLogic.us 216-235-8584 Verizon
Thanks Greg! I really appreciate you going to bat for me. I will contact Fred and we will see if he’s a stand up guy and replaces this.
Last edited by Henry Stark; Dec 31, 2019 at 02:41 PM.
Thanks Greg! I really appreciate you going to bat for me. I will contact Fred, he’s a real stand up guy for doing this.
Henry, I suspect the Vossens were designed for M14 bolts, which is causing the issue. I have not seen anyone else report an issue. If Fred reduces the tool diameter it may work less well for other wheels.
Henry, I suspect the Vossens were designed for M14 bolts, which is causing the issue. I have not seen anyone else report an issue. If Fred reduces the tool diameter it may work less well for other wheels.
The Otis 15x1.25 cone lug bolts work perfect in the Vossens.
Last edited by Henry Stark; Dec 31, 2019 at 02:24 PM.
The Otis 15x1.25 cone lug bolts work perfect in the Vossens.
Understood - the holes are always oversized to some extent. In the case of the OEMs they are more oversized than usual because of the bulge to contain the loose seat. Do you have access to calipers to measure the Vossen holes, or could you ask the supplier what the hole diameter is?
Understood - the holes are always oversized to some extent. In the case of the OEMs they are more oversized than usual because of the bulge to contain the loose seat. Do you have access to calipers to measure the Vossen holes, or could you ask the supplier what the hole diameter is?
Thanks for bringing this matter to my attention. I will definitely be reducing the diameter of the tools a bit. I will also replace the tools for anyone encountering a problem. I did try to find a record of the sale to Henry Stark, but, that must just be his forum handle. Could you PM him and ask him to get in touch with me? I don't want to do that myself since I am not n MBWorld sponsor.
Sorry about the delayed response. It's been family first the last few days.
Regards,
Reverse Logic Limited
Fred www.ReverseLogic.us 216-235-8584 Verizon
I just received two revised tools which have had the maximum diameter reduced from 15.5 to 15.0mm (0.590"). This is still not small enough for Henry's wheels, but should work for most.
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