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Hi Guys,
I am looking for your input for selecting Winter wheels/rim for my 2020 GLE 450.
OEM wheels has same size but different offset.
OEM Front Wheel: 8.5 x 20 offset +55.6 (Part number A 167 401 22 00 7X23 )A 167 401 A 167 401 22 00 7X23 22 00 7X23
OEM Rear Wheel: 8.5 x 20 offset +42 (Part number A 167 401 23 00 7X23 )A 1
I also inquired dealership about winter tire package from MB for my car. MB's package part# TATLBQ60229978 which also has 2 front wheels with offset 55.6 and rear 42.
I am thinking of going with 42mm offset for aftermarket wheels for both front and rear and keeping size 8.5 X 20.
Thanks Ron for you reply. So you are saying I should be ok if I use identical wheels for all 4 wheels. I will use ET42, so that at least rear wheel will be as per OEM.
Thanks Ron for you reply. So you are saying I should be ok if I use identical wheels for all 4 wheels. I will use ET42, so that at least rear wheel will be as per OEM.
What do you think?
As far as the square setup it didn’t seem to have any impact on handling. While the front is wider than stock, the look was similar. I ran some of the same curves at high speed with both sets factory and winter. My tires are the same size but Michelin PA5 SUV. Wheels are 8.5”x20 et45. My 450 had the AMG body with the larger brakes. It looks like they will clear the even larger brakes on my GLE 53...hope to have it soon to try fitment.
@mgoyalcan Welcome to the Forum!
There are other threads on this V167 forum about wheels and offsets, right now.
You could use the thread search function, or scroll down the V167 page and find what you are looking for.
That would make it easier for you, as well as the folks who have already posted.
Thanks Ron for you reply. So you are saying I should be ok if I use identical wheels for all 4 wheels. I will use ET42, so that at least rear wheel will be as per OEM.
What do you think?
I think you would be compromising your handling, and I don't k now if there would be caliper interference.
It would make it easier to rotate tires, but there will be trade-offs.
OP, unlike posted above, there is never caliper clearance issues when using lower than stock offsets with the same diameter wheels as stock. Generally caliper clearance issues arise when higher offsets than stock are used or lower than stock diameter wheels are used. Also in this specific case, "handling compromise" is also a non-issue - it is a winter package and driving on snow and ice is a compromise by itself.
The only "issue" I see is how the wheels will look: front with lower than stock offset will be brought closer to fender's edge (it is a good thing) by 1/2", while rear just like the stock will be more "in". The reason MB is using lower rear offset than on front when GLE is equipped with square (8.5" or 9" wide wheels regardless of diameter) setup is because the car's body was build for much wider, than front, rear wheels (for details, see 21" and 22" options).
Overall same offsets on square set up for GLE is non issue, especially considering it is a winter setup.
Thanks threeMBs for your input.
Is using spaces a good idea. I am also thinking to buy 4 wheels with 55.5 offset and using 13mm spacers for rear wheels to reduce the offset to 42.
Factory rear offset is et44. Lug Bolts are now M15 X 1.25 so finding the bolt might be an issue. Conical aftermarket or Ball Seat factory might be hard to find.
Thanks threeMBs for your input.
Is using spaces a good idea. I am also thinking to buy 4 wheels with 55.5 offset and using 13mm spacers for rear wheels to reduce the offset to 42.
Using quality hub centric spacers with correspondingly longer R14 bolts is absolutely safe. However, currently there is an issue finding 167's new 15x1.25 thread bolts with extended length for OEM wheels. Aftermarket just did not catch up yet. Using 13mm spacers on the rear is not an issue, but finding correct R14 15x1.25 60mm thread/shaft bolts for OEM wheels is.
OP, unlike posted above, there is never caliper clearance issues when using lower than stock offsets with the same diameter wheels as stock. Generally caliper clearance issues arise when higher offsets than stock are used or lower than stock diameter wheels are used. Also in this specific case, "handling compromise" is also a non-issue - it is a winter package and driving on snow and ice is a compromise by itself......
You are right about the wrong offset in this case not causing caliper interference. I always get my offsets backward. It's kind of like a double negative.
Regarding handling - Handling is an issue for those of us who do care about such things. Most of my winter driving (and I suspect most of us) is NOT on snow / slush / ice. Mostly cold dry pavement, and I still like to enjoy a spirited drive October thru March.
One of the things I like about the V167 is the improved the chassis and handling, compared to my previous ML's.
I actually feel (as in driving feel) that Mercedes' choice to use a different offset while using the same size tires works well on 450's.
So the OP's thought of retaining the same tire specs Front and Rear, with spacers, makes sense - if you don't want to buy or can't find the correct offset. Then it's down to finding the right lugs.
So the OP's thought of retaining the same tire specs Front and Rear, with spacers, makes sense - if you don't want to buy or can't find the correct offset. Then it's down to finding the right lugs.
As I posted last year in the "Winter Tires - What are you wearing?" thread, the W166 square setup wheels I'm using have correct front offset, and I went with 12mm spacers in the rear. As noted, the issue is finding the correct extended length lugs. I had custom Ti ones made. I have 10 extra if anyone is interested.
Yes GregW, your posts on the subject were/are very informative and valuable.
Since OP wants to use OEM "optional" square wheels available with both lower and higher offsets, I think in order to avoid all hassle with spacers/bolts specifically for 167 line, the choice is clear. If OP were to use aftermarket square wheels (mostly made for cone seat bolts) for winter, it would be different story if they are not available with both high and medium (for GLE) offsets.
11-15-2020, 07:13 PM
