winter wheel/tire combo for 2021 GLE63 SUV
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winter wheel/tire combo for 2021 GLE63 SUV
Has anyone tried buying this winter wheel/tire combo shown on MB website https://www.mbusa.com/en/winter-whee...ire-assemblies
Tire Rack says they don't have specs of OEM wheels/tires so they can't recommend/offer anything. Anyone have any suggestions?
Tire Rack says they don't have specs of OEM wheels/tires so they can't recommend/offer anything. Anyone have any suggestions?
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V167 (Mercedes-AMG GLE 63 S 4MATIC+, Mercedes-AMG GLE 63 4MATIC+)- 21-inch, AMG 5-twin-spoke wheel, High-Sheen Titanium Grey
- Front axle: 275/45R21 SCORPION WINTER MO XL
- MSRP: $1,112.00
- Rear axle: 315/40R21 SCORPION WINTER MO XL
- MSRP: $1,201.00
- Part #BQ6670078 Front Axle
- Part #BQ6670079 Rear Axle
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I found MB wheels overpriced. I went with Vossen HF series, stronger, lighter, less $$ and made in Miami. Made to custom specs. in only 3 weeks. - mine pretty much match the MB spec.for size and fitment.
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Winter rims/tires
Has anyone tried buying this winter wheel/tire combo shown on MB website https://www.mbusa.com/en/winter-whee...ire-assemblies
Tire Rack says they don't have specs of OEM wheels/tires so they can't recommend/offer anything. Anyone have any suggestions?
Tire Rack says they don't have specs of OEM wheels/tires so they can't recommend/offer anything. Anyone have any suggestions?
2020-Present GLE SUV
V167 (Mercedes-AMG GLE 63 S 4MATIC+, Mercedes-AMG GLE 63 4MATIC+)- 21-inch, AMG 5-twin-spoke wheel, High-Sheen Titanium Grey
- Front axle: 275/45R21 SCORPION WINTER MO XL
- MSRP: $1,112.00
- Rear axle: 315/40R21 SCORPION WINTER MO XL
- MSRP: $1,201.00
- Part #BQ6670078 Front Axle
- Part #BQ6670079 Rear Axle
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For sure easier to drive a sled than a tobaggon.
I've contacted 3 MB dealers and they claim these packages don't exist.
Also tried chatting with Vossen through their website and they put me on hold forever. Just gave up.
I've contacted 3 MB dealers and they claim these packages don't exist.
Also tried chatting with Vossen through their website and they put me on hold forever. Just gave up.
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The vehicle will handle 20” by 8 1/2 or 9” wheels-square is good as Greg suggested. Then you have a large selection of the best tires at a low price. ET 35 to 45 will not be too wide. My set was about $2300 with TPMS-Tire Rack purchase except for a deal from Costco on the Michelin PA5 Winters. Winter tires are in short supply this year.
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The vehicle will handle 20” by 8 1/2 or 9” wheels-square is good as Greg suggested. Then you have a large selection of the best tires at a low price. ET 35 to 45 will not be too wide. My set was about $2300 with TPMS-Tire Rack purchase except for a deal from Costco on the Michelin PA5 Winters. Winter tires are in short supply this year.
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The other issue is that the aftermarket wheels take a conical seat M15 Stud bolt. Tire Rack and a few others furnish the bolts. I bought black ones from Otis LA.
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Edit:
this is that post - https://mbworld.org/forums/gle-class...ml#post8195690
Edit #2: It looks to me that for '21 for 450 with AMG exterior, they downgraded the front rotors vs. '20 - solid instead of perforated rotors, and diameters look definitely smaller than on '20. Since I never paid attention to 167 GLE for MY '20 (since there were no AMGs), but started for MY '21 (since I am interested in AMG) it seems to me that since for MY '20 there were no 53/63, maybe MB in fact did use (perforated MY '21 GLE53) 15.8" rotors on front of '20 450 ("AMG" exterior) and '20 580. However, for MY '21, at least for 450 ("AMG" exterior) that I've seen on dealer lots and on their sites, all have solid and visibly smaller diameter front rotors than 53's rotors. So "53 front rotors" were a one year run for MY '20 450"AMG"/580 but not anymore.
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High Performance brakes on the AMG GLE 63...optional on the 53:
“Enormous 16.5-inch front discs are grasped by powerful 6-piston fixed calipers. The one-piece rear discs measure 14.6 inches”
“Enormous 16.5-inch front discs are grasped by powerful 6-piston fixed calipers. The one-piece rear discs measure 14.6 inches”
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GregW, there's a poster with 63 and he states that his front rotors are 16.5" diameter (I questioned him on that and he was kind enough, he said, to measure and indeed confirm they are 16.5" and since I do not have excess myself I have to take his word). Since you've done a lot of "wheel work" on your 450, did you by chance measure the front rotors' diameter? There's no way they are 16.5" on 450, that is for sure. Are they even 15.8" on 450?
Edit:
this is that post - https://mbworld.org/forums/gle-class...ml#post8195690
Edit #2: It looks to me that for '21 for 450 with AMG exterior, they downgraded the front rotors vs. '20 - solid instead of perforated rotors, and diameters look definitely smaller than on '20. Since I never paid attention to 167 GLE for MY '20 (since there were no AMGs), but started for MY '21 (since I am interested in AMG) it seems to me that since for MY '20 there were no 53/63, maybe MB in fact did use (perforated MY '21 GLE53) 15.8" rotors on front of '20 450 ("AMG" exterior) and '20 580. However, for MY '21, at least for 450 ("AMG" exterior) that I've seen on dealer lots and on their sites, all have solid and visibly smaller diameter front rotors than 53's rotors. So "53 front rotors" were a one year run for MY '20 450"AMG"/580 but not anymore.
Edit:
this is that post - https://mbworld.org/forums/gle-class...ml#post8195690
Edit #2: It looks to me that for '21 for 450 with AMG exterior, they downgraded the front rotors vs. '20 - solid instead of perforated rotors, and diameters look definitely smaller than on '20. Since I never paid attention to 167 GLE for MY '20 (since there were no AMGs), but started for MY '21 (since I am interested in AMG) it seems to me that since for MY '20 there were no 53/63, maybe MB in fact did use (perforated MY '21 GLE53) 15.8" rotors on front of '20 450 ("AMG" exterior) and '20 580. However, for MY '21, at least for 450 ("AMG" exterior) that I've seen on dealer lots and on their sites, all have solid and visibly smaller diameter front rotors than 53's rotors. So "53 front rotors" were a one year run for MY '20 450"AMG"/580 but not anymore.
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The rotors are not perforated and clearly much smaller than on 53 and on '20 450. The image is below:
Specs for above '21 GLE450 "AMG" exterior state front rotors are 14.8" (may be an error, but pictures do not lie), while we now know that 53's front rotors are 15.8" (63's 16.5" are $2,500 option on 53 or part of $5,000 package). So the only way to know if 20" wheels that fit MY '20 450 "AMG" will also fit 53 is if '20 450's front rotor is in fact also 15.8" and not 14.8".
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I was skeptical at 20’s fitting on the 16.5” but as I said-you can order a 53 with the 20’s with 16.5” disc’s as long as it’s the 10 spoke wheel with performance y rated tires. I saw it with my own eyes as my SA input the options. But if you switch to the Night Package 21 or 22 are required. I assume that’s because there is no black 20” 10 spoke wheel.
Any day now... maybe any week😣 I can try the 20’s on my 53.
Edit- The AMG exterior 450 & the base 53 have the same brakes. The non AMG 450, 350 have smaller brakes.
Any day now... maybe any week😣 I can try the 20’s on my 53.
Edit- The AMG exterior 450 & the base 53 have the same brakes. The non AMG 450, 350 have smaller brakes.
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The "MAY 13 WHATS NEW 2021 GLE FROM DEALER ORDER GUIDE" still shows "Sports brake system with perforated front brake discs, larger brake size and brake caliper trim with "Mercedes-Benz"lettering" under DG1PKG (the AMG exterior package that is standard on the 580).
But I just compared the '20 to '21 GLE brochures, and the AMG Line Exterior no longer states "sport brake system" like it did in '20. I would be seriously disappointed if that ends up being true. A big reason we upgraded to the 580 was to get the better brakes. It is inexcusable to have such a downgrade, while raising the price from the '20 models. And I've been reading this forum for months leading up to ordering the car and this is the first I've seen of this, somehow.
But I just compared the '20 to '21 GLE brochures, and the AMG Line Exterior no longer states "sport brake system" like it did in '20. I would be seriously disappointed if that ends up being true. A big reason we upgraded to the 580 was to get the better brakes. It is inexcusable to have such a downgrade, while raising the price from the '20 models. And I've been reading this forum for months leading up to ordering the car and this is the first I've seen of this, somehow.
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Ref: '21 450 "AMG" - do not look in brochures , visit one of your local dealers, they do have '21 450 "AMG" in stock (depending on location of course). Look at the brakes. It is clear brakes are NOT what was in the first year of production.
Ref: '21 580 - no idea. Did anyone actually see one on a lot?
Ref: '21 53 - IMO, 20" wheels (even those from '20 450 "AMG") will not fit 63 and will not wit 53 with optional 63 brakes. If configurator is correct (I said IF), 21" wheels (which are the smallest standard on 63) are required on 53 with 63 brakes option.
Ref: '21 580 - no idea. Did anyone actually see one on a lot?
Ref: '21 53 - IMO, 20" wheels (even those from '20 450 "AMG") will not fit 63 and will not wit 53 with optional 63 brakes. If configurator is correct (I said IF), 21" wheels (which are the smallest standard on 63) are required on 53 with 63 brakes option.
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The "MAY 13 WHATS NEW 2021 GLE FROM DEALER ORDER GUIDE" still shows "Sports brake system with perforated front brake discs, larger brake size and brake caliper trim with "Mercedes-Benz"lettering" under DG1PKG (the AMG exterior package that is standard on the 580).
But I just compared the '20 to '21 GLE brochures, and the AMG Line Exterior no longer states "sport brake system" like it did in '20. I would be seriously disappointed if that ends up being true. A big reason we upgraded to the 580 was to get the better brakes. It is inexcusable to have such a downgrade, while raising the price from the '20 models. And I've been reading this forum for months leading up to ordering the car and this is the first I've seen of this, somehow.
But I just compared the '20 to '21 GLE brochures, and the AMG Line Exterior no longer states "sport brake system" like it did in '20. I would be seriously disappointed if that ends up being true. A big reason we upgraded to the 580 was to get the better brakes. It is inexcusable to have such a downgrade, while raising the price from the '20 models. And I've been reading this forum for months leading up to ordering the car and this is the first I've seen of this, somehow.
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Glad to see that other people are as obsessed with making sure that specific wheels fit with the various brake disc and caliper size options. I sure am learning a lot from all the discussion. For what it's worth, one can not order a GLE63 with 20" wheels. Only 21" and 22" are options. Additionally, if you choose the upgraded brakes on a GLE53, you can no longer get 20" wheels, only 21" or 22". I think I'll go ahead and try to get 21" wheels that are also a little narrower because the matching tires will be better in the snow and cheaper too.
Edit - Sorry threeMBs. Just noticed that you already made this point above.
Edit - Sorry threeMBs. Just noticed that you already made this point above.
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Glad to see that other people are as obsessed with making sure that specific wheels fit with the various brake disc and caliper size options. I sure am learning a lot from all the discussion. For what it's worth, one can not order a GLE63 with 20" wheels. Only 21" and 22" are options. Additionally, if you choose the upgraded brakes on a GLE53, you can no longer get 20" wheels, only 21" or 22". I think I'll go ahead and try to get 21" wheels that are also a little narrower because the matching tires will be better in the snow and cheaper too.
Edit - Sorry threeMBs. Just noticed that you already made this point above.
Edit - Sorry threeMBs. Just noticed that you already made this point above.
I’ve been researching AM and the 21’s have by far the fewest winter tire options . For example the Michelin Pilot Alpin 5 SUV winter is not available in 21 or 22”, Mercedes sizes. Some of the most popular winters are already sold out for this season.
20” wheels and tires have the most high rated winter tire options and at decent prices. 22’s are also more plentiful than 21’s but still with somewhat limited tires at nearly double the price. For winter I’m comfortable with H (130 MPH) speed rated winter tires...won’t be driving 150 mph so I don’t need V,W, or Y’s.
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Let me try this way.
W166 ML/GLE63 with 15.4" rotors (calipers look very similar in size and shape to V167 GLE63 calipers) were available with minimum of 20" wheels. Mercedes did not have any 19" wheels to fit the front of the car. I know that almost all aftermarket 19" wheels did not fit the front. There were, however, a few 19" that did. For example TireRack carries OZ Cortina 19x9 et30 that does fit (but 19x10 even with spacer does not due to inner shape, read on). I tried 19x9 et30 wheel on, it fits with about only 2mm, if that, of space available between outer barrel and caliper's side (you drive in snow and when it gets into that gap and freezes - forget about it). The point is that it is not only about the diameter and offset, but in this case with oversized rotors and calipers, it is also about the shape of wheel's barrel. However, even in that rare instance when 19" did fit, it would be still unusable in snow as mentioned above.
V167 63 rotors are 1.1" larger than W166 63 rotors and based on my experience with 19" wheels for W166 63, I speculate that most, if not all, aftermarket 20" wheels will not fit V167 GLE63 (or 53 with 63 brakes). And even if there's a 20" wheel that does fit V167 63, it will be useless in snow because there's not enough clearance space between barrel and caliper once snow or dirt get there.
W166 ML/GLE63 with 15.4" rotors (calipers look very similar in size and shape to V167 GLE63 calipers) were available with minimum of 20" wheels. Mercedes did not have any 19" wheels to fit the front of the car. I know that almost all aftermarket 19" wheels did not fit the front. There were, however, a few 19" that did. For example TireRack carries OZ Cortina 19x9 et30 that does fit (but 19x10 even with spacer does not due to inner shape, read on). I tried 19x9 et30 wheel on, it fits with about only 2mm, if that, of space available between outer barrel and caliper's side (you drive in snow and when it gets into that gap and freezes - forget about it). The point is that it is not only about the diameter and offset, but in this case with oversized rotors and calipers, it is also about the shape of wheel's barrel. However, even in that rare instance when 19" did fit, it would be still unusable in snow as mentioned above.
V167 63 rotors are 1.1" larger than W166 63 rotors and based on my experience with 19" wheels for W166 63, I speculate that most, if not all, aftermarket 20" wheels will not fit V167 GLE63 (or 53 with 63 brakes). And even if there's a 20" wheel that does fit V167 63, it will be useless in snow because there's not enough clearance space between barrel and caliper once snow or dirt get there.
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It would be very rare that any snow or ice could build up as described. The tire warms the wheel and braking warms the calipers. Maybe at the North Pole! Centrifugal force is also throwing slush or snow off.
We will see how much clearance there is soon. My only concern would be that a piece of gravel (just the right size) might lodge and scrape between the Caliper and wheel...also possible but very unlikely. Even then damage would be cosmetic.
I’ve spent over 30 years driving in all winter weather conditions almost every weekend. Slush can build in the wheel wells but just never had it stick much less build up on the wheel....ever.
We will see how much clearance there is soon. My only concern would be that a piece of gravel (just the right size) might lodge and scrape between the Caliper and wheel...also possible but very unlikely. Even then damage would be cosmetic.
I’ve spent over 30 years driving in all winter weather conditions almost every weekend. Slush can build in the wheel wells but just never had it stick much less build up on the wheel....ever.
