Why did you choose GLE over X5 (or others)
07-08-2023, 04:27 PM
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The new X5 will no longer be the most primitive offering in the segment.
Which will mean, amongst other things, that it will have more modern Infotainment, which in turn will mean that it will go from JD Powers most reliable to their Least Reliable, since that's what happens with new tech.
People, especially Consumer Reports reviewers who can't even figure out how to work a cupholder, will be aghast.😒
Which will mean, amongst other things, that it will have more modern Infotainment, which in turn will mean that it will go from JD Powers most reliable to their Least Reliable, since that's what happens with new tech.
People, especially Consumer Reports reviewers who can't even figure out how to work a cupholder, will be aghast.😒
07-08-2023, 05:31 PM
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BMW’s iDrive 7 and 8 (the latest one] are essentially the same. The core menus and interface are very intuitive and easy-to-use. The only major difference, that I agree may have negative consequences, was BMW moving the climate control to the menus. Otherwise it isn’t a giant modern technological leap as you say. I personally believe the Consumer Reports knock on Mercedes, in particular the GLE, extends way beyond any “technological difficulties,” and represents legitimate issues.
Also BMW’s gesture control works a lot better than my Mercedes, but they’re both really gimmicky.
Also BMW’s gesture control works a lot better than my Mercedes, but they’re both really gimmicky.
07-08-2023, 05:54 PM
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07-08-2023, 05:59 PM
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CR's reporters and managers are "automobile illiterate." Much more apparent than their technical difficulties.
Once upon a time they were reliable on toasters, but now that there's more than "insert the bread," they are no longer able to cope with that advanced technology. It's what it is.
07-08-2023, 06:33 PM
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Yes it does, to wit:
CR's reporters and managers are "automobile illiterate." Much more apparent than their technical difficulties.
Once upon a time they were reliable on toasters, but now that there's more than "insert the bread," they are no longer able to cope with that advanced technology. It's what it is.
CR's reporters and managers are "automobile illiterate." Much more apparent than their technical difficulties.
Once upon a time they were reliable on toasters, but now that there's more than "insert the bread," they are no longer able to cope with that advanced technology. It's what it is.
07-08-2023, 06:35 PM
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Didn't know the feature came out that long ago, the thing I know that came out for a while was the light bar obviously no LED back in the day which phased out and I am guessing Porsche reintroduced it with LED technology etc.
07-08-2023, 06:39 PM
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Hmmm, some of these features are available on MBs just not available in North America. Such as rear seat belt alert, speedcam,
MB finally have wireless smartphone integration on facelift.... I mean finally.
Same goes with the digital key stuff, they finally have it starting on the W214 E-Class, finally.
I heard the assignable buttons are gone on the facelift BMWs?
07-08-2023, 06:41 PM
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I know. You've said a few times too. Some said the same too. But I'm not the only one either. Many others experience same issues. It makes me wonder what "fine" actually means. Maybe I have a different definition of "fine". In fact I took mine in. They agreed it wasn't working the way it should. They "fixed" it. Guess what, they didn't. They cleaned them and now they're acting the same way.
Of course. And I respect that. It's a personal thing. But that's not the point of my post/argument. The other poster claims BMWs are two generations behind on features and techs.
I know. You've said a few times too. Some said the same too. But I'm not the only one either. Many others experience same issues. It makes me wonder what "fine" actually means. Maybe I have a different definition of "fine". In fact I took mine in. They agreed it wasn't working the way it should. They "fixed" it. Guess what, they didn't. They cleaned them and now they're acting the same way.
Of course. And I respect that. It's a personal thing. But that's not the point of my post/argument. The other poster claims BMWs are two generations behind on features and techs.
I am guessing aftermarket wipers might help eliminate this issue or at least lessen the problem.
07-08-2023, 06:47 PM
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BMW’s iDrive 7 and 8 (the latest one] are essentially the same. The core menus and interface are very intuitive and easy-to-use. The only major difference, that I agree may have negative consequences, was BMW moving the climate control to the menus. Otherwise it isn’t a giant modern technological leap as you say. I personally believe the Consumer Reports knock on Mercedes, in particular the GLE, extends way beyond any “technological difficulties,” and represents legitimate issues.
Also BMW’s gesture control works a lot better than my Mercedes, but they’re both really gimmicky.
Also BMW’s gesture control works a lot better than my Mercedes, but they’re both really gimmicky.
That said, there were some criticisms with iDrive 8:
https://www.thedrive.com/new-cars/bm...o-specs-photos
https://www.autoblog.com/2022/07/01/...tep-backwards/
I do see a trend here however, most reviewers such as those who reviewed the GLE, aren't a fan of change and don't want to learn to use the systems and then come up with a review.
Anyways, if the criticisms with the iDrive 8 is true, I really hope the iDrive 8.5 or most likely the iDrive 9 is better?
07-08-2023, 06:49 PM
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07-08-2023, 06:56 PM
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WD20. If you read my post, you would have understood the one criticism of I drive 8 over 7 that I stated: the dumb climate control move, which those articles parrot. However, outside of that, there wasn’t any technological leap that Mikapem thinks there are.
07-09-2023, 12:37 PM
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The new X5 will no longer be the most primitive offering in the segment.
Which will mean, amongst other things, that it will have more modern Infotainment, which in turn will mean that it will go from JD Powers most reliable to their Least Reliable, since that's what happens with new tech.
People, especially Consumer Reports reviewers who can't even figure out how to work a cupholder, will be aghast.😒
Which will mean, amongst other things, that it will have more modern Infotainment, which in turn will mean that it will go from JD Powers most reliable to their Least Reliable, since that's what happens with new tech.
People, especially Consumer Reports reviewers who can't even figure out how to work a cupholder, will be aghast.😒
07-09-2023, 12:39 PM
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It's like a skit from SNL or some other bad comedy program.
How many ways can a cupholder confuse a reviewer? Infinite, apparently.😀
Can you spend 10 minutes of a 15 minute spot on that? You bet.
I hope the general population is smarter, but that's a different topic. 🙁
07-09-2023, 12:50 PM
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Check them out.
The biggest problem (80% I believe) that JD Power sees is Infotainment systems. Period.
The X5 had the oldest, least complicated tech, and people didn't complain. The ones with the newest infotainment received the most complaints and thus went to the bottom of the Initial Satisfaction polls.
This is straight from the body of the Powers article, although nobody read it. They only saw the pretty pictures.
I gave links. Maybe I'll spend the time again, but you could as well.
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07-10-2023, 12:17 PM
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There are several threads with supporting details. I'm summarizing the consensus from other reviewers, professional and other sources.
Check them out.
The biggest problem (80% I believe) that JD Power sees is Infotainment systems. Period.
The X5 had the oldest, least complicated tech, and people didn't complain. The ones with the newest infotainment received the most complaints and thus went to the bottom of the Initial Satisfaction polls.
This is straight from the body of the Powers article, although nobody read it. They only saw the pretty pictures.
I gave links. Maybe I'll spend the time again, but you could as well.
Check them out.
The biggest problem (80% I believe) that JD Power sees is Infotainment systems. Period.
The X5 had the oldest, least complicated tech, and people didn't complain. The ones with the newest infotainment received the most complaints and thus went to the bottom of the Initial Satisfaction polls.
This is straight from the body of the Powers article, although nobody read it. They only saw the pretty pictures.
I gave links. Maybe I'll spend the time again, but you could as well.
Reminds me of BMW's tag line with the "OK, Boomer. And what's your reason not to change?"
07-11-2023, 02:33 PM
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07-11-2023, 03:01 PM
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Mercedes or not, these have been the Rules for protecting you windshield and the wipers, ever since they invented Rain Sensing wipers:
1. FRONT WIPERS: Always leave the wipers off untill there's some real rain.
REASON: That first swipe, on a dirty windshield, grinds the dust, sand and gravel into the windshield and abrades the blades.
SOLUTION: WAIT until you want the wipers to start, then SQUIRT generously to lubricate the glass on that first swipe. THEN enable Rain Sensing.
2. REAR WIPER: Dust, fines and other debris collects on top of that wiper. It's first swipe is like you added an abrasive to your wiper.
SOLUTION: Lift the wiper from the glass from time to time, and let that abrasive fall away. You'll be surprised at how much collects there.
If I've been on unpaved roads for a while and expect to use my rear wiper, I'll stop and lift the blade. If I don't, I'll avoid using them.
My wipers last a long time, and I haven't experienced the skipping problem.
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07-18-2023, 10:34 AM
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07-18-2023, 10:35 AM
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Slightly different approach to wipers.....
Mercedes or not, these have been the Rules for protecting you windshield and the wipers, ever since they invented Rain Sensing wipers:
1. FRONT WIPERS: Always leave the wipers off untill there's some real rain.
REASON: That first swipe, on a dirty windshield, grinds the dust, sand and gravel into the windshield and abrades the blades.
SOLUTION: WAIT until you want the wipers to start, then SQUIRT generously to lubricate the glass on that first swipe. THEN enable Rain Sensing.
2. REAR WIPER: Dust, fines and other debris collects on top of that wiper. It's first swipe is like you added an abrasive to your wiper.
SOLUTION: Lift the wiper from the glass from time to time, and let that abrasive fall away. You'll be surprised at how much collects there.
If I've been on unpaved roads for a while and expect to use my rear wiper, I'll stop and lift the blade. If I don't, I'll avoid using them.
My wipers last a long time, and I haven't experienced the skipping problem.
Mercedes or not, these have been the Rules for protecting you windshield and the wipers, ever since they invented Rain Sensing wipers:
1. FRONT WIPERS: Always leave the wipers off untill there's some real rain.
REASON: That first swipe, on a dirty windshield, grinds the dust, sand and gravel into the windshield and abrades the blades.
SOLUTION: WAIT until you want the wipers to start, then SQUIRT generously to lubricate the glass on that first swipe. THEN enable Rain Sensing.
2. REAR WIPER: Dust, fines and other debris collects on top of that wiper. It's first swipe is like you added an abrasive to your wiper.
SOLUTION: Lift the wiper from the glass from time to time, and let that abrasive fall away. You'll be surprised at how much collects there.
If I've been on unpaved roads for a while and expect to use my rear wiper, I'll stop and lift the blade. If I don't, I'll avoid using them.
My wipers last a long time, and I haven't experienced the skipping problem.
07-19-2023, 09:38 AM
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This! I had a 2020 GLE for a few years and regretted the decision from day 1. The highlights why...350 engine is a 4 cylinder joke (good luck even merging on a highway), the base steel suspension is terrible, the side mirrors whistle, the windshield wipers often hit the window frame, the ventilated seats don't ventilate etc... I bought a Cayenne a few months ago and love it. I realize the Cayenne is significantly more pricey similar equipped but is night and day better... worth the money.
07-19-2023, 01:42 PM
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The base model GLE is not the right comparison for a Porsche. You should compare with an equal price vehicle and then compare. Similarly equipped vehicles GLE53 and a well equipped Porsche Cayenne leaves yhe Cayenne in the dust.
07-19-2023, 02:02 PM
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I've driven a GLE53. I'm not simply talking 0-60 numbers. Sure, a GLE53 is faster than a base Cayenne. However, the refinement and driving experience of a Porsche is well beyond a MB in my opinion. I will never buy another MB.
07-19-2023, 03:12 PM
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I've driven both, and if a Cayenne doesn't have PDCC and rear steer, it's just not in the same league as a 53 with ARC, despite the price premium.
Plus, the Cayenne's best engine, the 2.9 TT V6, is only available in the Macan. The 3.0 is a dog.
I haven't driven a current year Cayenne yet, but I've been snooping around their showroom. Better Service Department, locally.
But every time I drive away from the Porsche dealer in my GLE53, it impresses me more and my interest in the Porsche brand decreases.
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07-19-2023, 03:19 PM
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While I disagree, having moved from Cayenne to GLE, I am considering a Cayenne for the next rig.
I've driven both, and if a Cayenne doesn't have PDCC and rear steer, it's just not in the same league as a 53 with ARC, despite the price premium.
Plus, the Cayenne's best engine, the 2.9 TT V6, is only available in the Macan. The 3.0 is a dog.
I haven't driven a current year Cayenne yet, but I've been snooping around their showroom. Better Service Department, locally.
But every time I drive away from the Porsche dealer in my GLE53, it impresses me more and my interest in the Porsche brand decreases.
I've driven both, and if a Cayenne doesn't have PDCC and rear steer, it's just not in the same league as a 53 with ARC, despite the price premium.
Plus, the Cayenne's best engine, the 2.9 TT V6, is only available in the Macan. The 3.0 is a dog.
I haven't driven a current year Cayenne yet, but I've been snooping around their showroom. Better Service Department, locally.
But every time I drive away from the Porsche dealer in my GLE53, it impresses me more and my interest in the Porsche brand decreases.
07-19-2023, 03:36 PM
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I can't really comment on current models but I generally like the color palette and wheels on Porsches more than Mercedes.
I didn't like Porsche's move from switches in the center console, but that's improved with the new tactile bits.
Neither I or my wife could stand the 18 way seats, because the front thigh bolster was too tight, probably should have just bought new seats instead of taking a depreciation hit on the Macan.
In general, I think human interfaces in cars these days rely too much on infotainment centers and screens - which I believe is a safety hazard. So I generally don't use them but 'require' a Head Up display.
I can't really offer much more on the new stuff cuz I haven't shopped for a couple of years.
I didn't like Porsche's move from switches in the center console, but that's improved with the new tactile bits.
Neither I or my wife could stand the 18 way seats, because the front thigh bolster was too tight, probably should have just bought new seats instead of taking a depreciation hit on the Macan.
In general, I think human interfaces in cars these days rely too much on infotainment centers and screens - which I believe is a safety hazard. So I generally don't use them but 'require' a Head Up display.
I can't really offer much more on the new stuff cuz I haven't shopped for a couple of years.
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