API SP oil
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API SP oil
apparently this is the oil to use for direct injection engines although SN oils are MB approved.
my last DI engine used pennzoil euro 0w40 (SP) and that engine could have lasted forever so I have some faith in SP oil.
I've been using pennzoil platinum euro LX 0w30 for my M256 and it's only API SN.
what are your thoughts? why doesn't MB approve pennzoil platinum ultra-which is SP.
my last DI engine used pennzoil euro 0w40 (SP) and that engine could have lasted forever so I have some faith in SP oil.
I've been using pennzoil platinum euro LX 0w30 for my M256 and it's only API SN.
what are your thoughts? why doesn't MB approve pennzoil platinum ultra-which is SP.
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apparently this is the oil to use for direct injection engines although SN oils are MB approved.
my last DI engine used pennzoil euro 0w40 (SP) and that engine could have lasted forever so I have some faith in SP oil.
I've been using pennzoil platinum euro LX 0w30 for my M256 and it's only API SN.
what are your thoughts? why doesn't MB approve pennzoil platinum ultra-which is SP.
my last DI engine used pennzoil euro 0w40 (SP) and that engine could have lasted forever so I have some faith in SP oil.
I've been using pennzoil platinum euro LX 0w30 for my M256 and it's only API SN.
what are your thoughts? why doesn't MB approve pennzoil platinum ultra-which is SP.
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Pennzoil Platinum Euro LX lists the following specs and approvals:
Oil Specifications
Pennzoil Platinum® Euro Full Synthetic Motor Oil
Industry specifications:
- SN (SAE 0W-40, SAE 5W-30**, SAE 5W-40, L SAE 5W-30, AV SAE 5W-30, SAE 10W-60)
- SM (SAE 10W-60)
- SL (SAE 5W-30, SAE 10W-60)
- SJ (SAE 10W-60)
- CF (SAE 0W-40, SAE 5W-30, SAE 5W-40, SAE 10W-60)
- ACEA A3/B3-12 (SAE 0W-40, SAE 5W-30, SAE, 5W-40, SAE 10W-60)
- ACEA A3/B4-12 (SAE 0W-40, SAE 5W-30, SAE, 5W-40, SAE 10W-60)
- ACEA C3-12 (L SAE 5W-30, AV SAE 5W-30)
OEM specifications:
- BMW LL-01 (SAE 5W-30, SAE 5W-40)
- BMW LL-04 (L SAE 5W-30)
- Chrysler MS-10725 (SAE 5W-40)
- Chrysler MS-10850 (SAE 5W-40)
- Chrysler MS-11106 (L SAE 5W-30)
- Chrysler MS-12991 (SAE 5W-40)
- Ferrari (SAE 5W-40)
- Maserati (SAE 5W-40, SAE 10W-60)
- Fiat 9.55535.Z2 (SAE 0W-40, SAE 5W-30, SAE 5W-40)
- Fiat 9.55535.M2 (SAE 0W-40, SAE 5W-30, SAE 5W-40)
- GM dexos2® (L SAE 5W-30)
- Mercedes-Benz 229.1 (SAE 10W-60)
- Mercedes-Benz 229.3 (SAE 0W-40, SAE 5W-30, SAE 5W-40)
- Mercedes-Benz 229.31 (L SAE 5W-30)
- Mercedes-Benz 229.5 (SAE 0W-40, SAE 5W-30, SAE 5W-40)
- Mercedes-Benz 229.51 (L SAE 5W-30)
- Mercedes-Benz 226.5 (SAE 0W-40, SAE 5W-30, SAE 5W-40)
- Porsche A40 (SAE 0W-40, SAE 5W-40)
- PSA B71 2296 (SAE 5W-40)
- VW 501 01 (SAE 10W-60)
- VW 502 00 (SAE 0W-40, SAE 5W-30, SAE 5W-40)
- VW 505 00 (SAE 0W-40, SAE 5W-30, SAE 5W-40, AV SAE 5W-30)
- VW 505 01 (AV SAE 5W-30)
- Renault RN0700 (SAE 0W-40, SAE 5W-30, SAE 5W-40)
- Renault RN0710 (SAE 0W-40, SAE 5W-30, SAE 5W-40)
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That's where the confusion is for me since SP is relatively new and suited for DI engines, perhaps MB and/or Pennzoil are just late to the SP bandwagon. Does it even make a difference?
I made a thread in an oil forum in case you want to follow..
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/th...d-oils.385111/
I made a thread in an oil forum in case you want to follow..
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/th...d-oils.385111/
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IMO the real problem is that MB doesn't list the requirement for a 229.52 or 229.61 specifications thus it makes it difficult to tell if an API SP oil will meet or exceed the requirements. That said, what is your goal? Warranty coverage? Maximize engine lifetime? Performance?
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Here's some background on the importance of SP...
https://www.valvolineglobal.com/en-n...sp-ilsac-gf-6/
Obviously I'd like to use the best oil possible that will meet the latest specs.
Apparently 229.51/52 oils include MB's own LPSI and timing chain wear mitigation tests although the oil (PP Euro LX 0W30) is still "only" classified as SN.
https://www.valvolineglobal.com/en-n...sp-ilsac-gf-6/
Obviously I'd like to use the best oil possible that will meet the latest specs.
Apparently 229.51/52 oils include MB's own LPSI and timing chain wear mitigation tests although the oil (PP Euro LX 0W30) is still "only" classified as SN.
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Here's some background on the importance of SP...
https://www.valvolineglobal.com/en-n...sp-ilsac-gf-6/
Obviously I'd like to use the best oil possible that will meet the latest specs.
Apparently 229.51/52 oils include MB's own LPSI and timing chain wear mitigation tests although the oil (PP Euro LX 0W30) is still "only" classified as SN.
https://www.valvolineglobal.com/en-n...sp-ilsac-gf-6/
Obviously I'd like to use the best oil possible that will meet the latest specs.
Apparently 229.51/52 oils include MB's own LPSI and timing chain wear mitigation tests although the oil (PP Euro LX 0W30) is still "only" classified as SN.
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Here's some background on the importance of SP...
https://www.valvolineglobal.com/en-n...sp-ilsac-gf-6/
Obviously I'd like to use the best oil possible that will meet the latest specs.
Apparently 229.51/52 oils include MB's own LPSI and timing chain wear mitigation tests although the oil (PP Euro LX 0W30) is still "only" classified as SN.
https://www.valvolineglobal.com/en-n...sp-ilsac-gf-6/
Obviously I'd like to use the best oil possible that will meet the latest specs.
Apparently 229.51/52 oils include MB's own LPSI and timing chain wear mitigation tests although the oil (PP Euro LX 0W30) is still "only" classified as SN.
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You can use whatever you want with the 20,000 km oil change interval you're lead to believe is completely fine.
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I don't know enough about motor oils to debate the topic. I simply use a MB recommended viscosity and MB 229.5 approved oil, which is why I'm currently using Castrol Euro Full Synthetic 5W-30 (which I believe is API SN). Costco's Kirkland brand and Walmart's SuperTech brand (both $20/5qt jug) are both API SP rated (probably both are the same formulation from Warren Oil), but neither carries any MB approval. Should I be using one of these oils (about $1/qt cheaper than Castrol)? I have no reason to change. But I prefer using an oil brand such as Castrol, Valvoline, Mobil1, etc. rather than a store brand labeled product whose source is unknown and perhaps changes year to year. I've been using synthetic oil for 40 years and have never had an engine on any vehicle (Euro, Asian or domestic) burn or consume oil after 100K miles, and I've never done anything more than use a manufacturer recommended oil. But I've always done oil changes every 5K miles without exception, and IMO this is as important as the myriad and oil specifications and approvals.
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What makes you think MB doesn’t use the best? Secondly what you makes you think you know more than the MB engineers that recommend the oil that should be used and the intervals to change the oil.
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First, MB has little interest in the best. They care if it makes it past the warranty period. I believe this is true of other manufacturers too. Second, I doubt the engineers are really the ones recommending the OCIs or oil grade. I generally believe that engineers make things to last forever, profit seeking then make them fail. Just look at all the failures across any product that could be eliminated by spending slightly more on components.
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First, MB has little interest in the best. They care if it makes it past the warranty period. I believe this is true of other manufacturers too. Second, I doubt the engineers are really the ones recommending the OCIs or oil grade. I generally believe that engineers make things to last forever, profit seeking then make them fail. Just look at all the failures across any product that could be eliminated by spending slightly more on components.
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I didn't believe this at first, but having seen our W164 age over 13 years and 170k miles I do now.
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Because they are in the business of selling cars and service. If they really did their best work the service centers wouldn't be backed up for a month and people wouldn't buy as many new vehicles. Just look at all the people here who swear they will never own an MB out of warranty. Again, this isn't specific to MB.
I didn't believe this at first, but having seen our W164 age over 13 years and 170k miles I do now.
I didn't believe this at first, but having seen our W164 age over 13 years and 170k miles I do now.
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