Burmester High End 3D Review
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Burmester High End 3D Review
Updated After Spending A LOT more time with the High End 3D system:
Had the chance to spend a lot of time and play with the burmester high end 3D at local dealership on a car that had it in a GLE 53. As an audiophile this is what the standard system should be, it sounds great for the price of the car and the added silver grills and LED lighting improve the aesthetics a lot.
Playing Flac in standard sounds MUCH better and fuller. You feel the sound is more immersive and full and not just coming from in front of you. The same can be said with the bass it's fuller and more encompassing and not that muddy mid bass that is coming for your feet in the base system. I really love this system especially after having spent a lot more time with it, I can't recommend this enough and I'm truly upset that it's such a rare option.
The 3D and other modes (surround, vip seating) are actually far superior than just the surround found on the base system and are fun to play with and change the soundstage and add some different nuances. The surround especially is night and day and the 3D definitely feels like it brings in the roof speakers which adds to my next point. I really felt the SURROUND in the 3D I love it so much I would rather they just add $4550 to the sticker and make this standard so everyone can enjoy it, its a deal breaker for me now if a car doesn't have it.
Overall I think it's phenomenal and it should have come standard. Is worth the price? Absolutely no questions asked.
The only con is the lack of comprehensive EQ controls outside of the generic bass mid and treble.
Now I'll only buy a car that has the high end sound option.
Had the chance to spend a lot of time and play with the burmester high end 3D at local dealership on a car that had it in a GLE 53. As an audiophile this is what the standard system should be, it sounds great for the price of the car and the added silver grills and LED lighting improve the aesthetics a lot.
Playing Flac in standard sounds MUCH better and fuller. You feel the sound is more immersive and full and not just coming from in front of you. The same can be said with the bass it's fuller and more encompassing and not that muddy mid bass that is coming for your feet in the base system. I really love this system especially after having spent a lot more time with it, I can't recommend this enough and I'm truly upset that it's such a rare option.
The 3D and other modes (surround, vip seating) are actually far superior than just the surround found on the base system and are fun to play with and change the soundstage and add some different nuances. The surround especially is night and day and the 3D definitely feels like it brings in the roof speakers which adds to my next point. I really felt the SURROUND in the 3D I love it so much I would rather they just add $4550 to the sticker and make this standard so everyone can enjoy it, its a deal breaker for me now if a car doesn't have it.
Overall I think it's phenomenal and it should have come standard. Is worth the price? Absolutely no questions asked.
The only con is the lack of comprehensive EQ controls outside of the generic bass mid and treble.
Now I'll only buy a car that has the high end sound option.
Last edited by Flash7; Aug 21, 2023 at 06:44 PM.
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To me the system is a dream. I had the upgraded Bose in my 991.2 GT3 RS and it's a complete joke. I also have the upgraded Sensonum in my Huracan which costs $3,800 and it's a joke as well. I still don't know exactly who makes Sensonum for Lamborghini. So for $4,550 the DC6 Burmester 3D seems like a fair price to me for what you get. No way would they ever include it as standard. Almost all manufacturers offer an audio upgrade as it's a profit center for them. I'm in no way an audiophile. I just want decent enough sound.
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For me (audiophile) the phase alignment with VIP seating is impressive. I haven't heard another car system that approaches it, although more aftermarket systems are claiming good solutions to that proverbial shortcoming.
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upgrade to 3d Burmester after market?
Newbie question. Is it difficult to upgrade to 3D Burmester after market? I am trying to order 2023 GLE53 but lots of restrictions on order atm.
Only base Burmester comes standard. And no option to upgrade. I plan on getting acoustic comfort package.
Was not impressed with base system. Have upgraded Burmester in cayenne turbo and love it.
No experience in aftermarket mod. And nervous to chop up new vehicle. TIA.
Only base Burmester comes standard. And no option to upgrade. I plan on getting acoustic comfort package.
Was not impressed with base system. Have upgraded Burmester in cayenne turbo and love it.
No experience in aftermarket mod. And nervous to chop up new vehicle. TIA.
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I’m sure you can upgrade with aftermarket; new drop-in speakers probably being the easiest thing to do. There are some posts in the GLE forum. Upgrading to the actual OEM 3D Burmester isn’t feasible or worth it imo.
The 3D system is nice but one thing I hate is the volume levels. There’s very little change in volume from 0 to 60%, then it ramps up like crazy after that. Because of this weird volume levels, I have the bass @ +8, mid @ -3 and treble @ +2 I think. This allows me to experience the full system at moderate volume levels, otherwise I have to blast the thing.
However, because of this weird volume output quirk, you can literally peg the volume and it won’t distort. The volume level, according to my watch, sits around 96 db near the top. HOWEVER, what’s really lame about this system (and I assume it’s the same for the base Burmester since it’s more of an MBUX/CarPlay issue) is that the volume will briefly spike for any notifications that interrupts CarPlay music. It’s a huge spike and commensurate with the base volume level. So, if you have the volume way up it will spike to 105+ dabs according to my watch. That’s dangerous and lame that the “geniuses” can’t program this out. But I’m not surprised they can’t.
The 3D system is nice but one thing I hate is the volume levels. There’s very little change in volume from 0 to 60%, then it ramps up like crazy after that. Because of this weird volume levels, I have the bass @ +8, mid @ -3 and treble @ +2 I think. This allows me to experience the full system at moderate volume levels, otherwise I have to blast the thing.
However, because of this weird volume output quirk, you can literally peg the volume and it won’t distort. The volume level, according to my watch, sits around 96 db near the top. HOWEVER, what’s really lame about this system (and I assume it’s the same for the base Burmester since it’s more of an MBUX/CarPlay issue) is that the volume will briefly spike for any notifications that interrupts CarPlay music. It’s a huge spike and commensurate with the base volume level. So, if you have the volume way up it will spike to 105+ dabs according to my watch. That’s dangerous and lame that the “geniuses” can’t program this out. But I’m not surprised they can’t.
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Sigh, I wish this was an option for 2023.
Although I did briefly try the standard burmester in a 2022 GLE 53 coupe my dealership had on the showroom floor. It seemed fine to me.
After a few years of chasing audiophile level headphones and equipment for my PC, I've become very familiar with the diminishing returns of higher and higher end equipment. If I'm doing A/B testing or really listening carefully I'll notice the differences, but if I'm just casually listening to music while doing something else then I wont really notice. I'm hoping my experience with the standard burmester will be the same lol.
Although I did briefly try the standard burmester in a 2022 GLE 53 coupe my dealership had on the showroom floor. It seemed fine to me.
After a few years of chasing audiophile level headphones and equipment for my PC, I've become very familiar with the diminishing returns of higher and higher end equipment. If I'm doing A/B testing or really listening carefully I'll notice the differences, but if I'm just casually listening to music while doing something else then I wont really notice. I'm hoping my experience with the standard burmester will be the same lol.
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HOWEVER, what’s really lame about this system (and I assume it’s the same for the base Burmester since it’s more of an MBUX/CarPlay issue) is that the volume will briefly spike for any notifications that interrupts CarPlay music. It’s a huge spike and commensurate with the base volume level. So, if you have the volume way up it will spike to 105+ dabs according to my watch. That’s dangerous and lame that the “geniuses” can’t program this out. But I’m not surprised they can’t.
Yes it is not ideal.
Try this:
1. Settings > System > Audio > Volume and disable Automatic Adjustment.
2. System > Voice Output Volume and set to the desired volume. Mine is 55/85.
3. System > Audio > Navigation and Traffic… > enable Audio Fadeout and set your Voice Guidance to the desired volume. Mine is 35/85.
4. System > Audio > Phone and set the Ringtone and Call volume to your preference. Mine are 41/85 and 70/85, respectively.
I think that’s what I did to be able to enjoy the stereo and other features without the jarring spikes you noted.
Last edited by codecode; Jan 13, 2023 at 04:13 PM.
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Thanks, I’ll try that.
The fact that the brilliant brain trust at MB didn’t experience or notice this or did and just didn’t care enough to OEM tune it out says a lot about their lack of attention to detail.
The fact that the brilliant brain trust at MB didn’t experience or notice this or did and just didn’t care enough to OEM tune it out says a lot about their lack of attention to detail.
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Yes it is not ideal.
Try this:
1. Settings > System > Audio > Volume and disable Automatic Adjustment.
2. System > Voice Output Volume and set to the desired volume. Mine is 55/85.
3. System > Audio > Navigation and Traffic… > enable Audio Fadeout and set your Voice Guidance to the desired volume. Mine is 35/85.
4. System > Audio > Phone and set the Ringtone and Call volume to your preference. Mine are 41/85 and 70/85, respectively.
I think that’s what I did to be able to enjoy the stereo and other features without the jarring spikes you noted.
Try this:
1. Settings > System > Audio > Volume and disable Automatic Adjustment.
2. System > Voice Output Volume and set to the desired volume. Mine is 55/85.
3. System > Audio > Navigation and Traffic… > enable Audio Fadeout and set your Voice Guidance to the desired volume. Mine is 35/85.
4. System > Audio > Phone and set the Ringtone and Call volume to your preference. Mine are 41/85 and 70/85, respectively.
I think that’s what I did to be able to enjoy the stereo and other features without the jarring spikes you noted.
Whenever there is a system output (voice, ringtone, call receive, guidance etc.), Use the thumbwheel during the sound, and you achieve the same settings without using menus.
Sometimes you have to be quick to get it adjusted while "I'm turning on the passenger massage" is spoken, but it works for me.
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I just checked my settings and they were very close to yours. I went ahead and matched yours and I’ll report back. Thanks.
Yes it is not ideal.
Try this:
1. Settings > System > Audio > Volume and disable Automatic Adjustment.
2. System > Voice Output Volume and set to the desired volume. Mine is 55/85.
3. System > Audio > Navigation and Traffic… > enable Audio Fadeout and set your Voice Guidance to the desired volume. Mine is 35/85.
4. System > Audio > Phone and set the Ringtone and Call volume to your preference. Mine are 41/85 and 70/85, respectively.
I think that’s what I did to be able to enjoy the stereo and other features without the jarring spikes you noted.
Try this:
1. Settings > System > Audio > Volume and disable Automatic Adjustment.
2. System > Voice Output Volume and set to the desired volume. Mine is 55/85.
3. System > Audio > Navigation and Traffic… > enable Audio Fadeout and set your Voice Guidance to the desired volume. Mine is 35/85.
4. System > Audio > Phone and set the Ringtone and Call volume to your preference. Mine are 41/85 and 70/85, respectively.
I think that’s what I did to be able to enjoy the stereo and other features without the jarring spikes you noted.
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My volumes were lower but after adjusting everything to match your levels, it did help a bit. It still momentarily spikes but it’s not as pronounced. Kind of counter intuitive.
However, why it doesn’t auto attenuate when it switches between sources is a bewildering and lazy oversight on MB’s part.
However, why it doesn’t auto attenuate when it switches between sources is a bewildering and lazy oversight on MB’s part.
