mmm crystal lacquer (enter MBRedux)
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mmm crystal lacquer (enter MBRedux)
So is crystal lacquer the same as the Acrylic Lacquer that you were talking about in some other post?
Or is it a Glass Silica compound?
I may get my hand on some Gtechniq C1 and apply it to the GLK for some bulletproof protection (exaggeration) so I am protected from idiots who damage my clear coat by either throwing things at it or running things across it. (damn temporary 30minute street parking and damn gas stations)
Or is it a Glass Silica compound?
I may get my hand on some Gtechniq C1 and apply it to the GLK for some bulletproof protection (exaggeration) so I am protected from idiots who damage my clear coat by either throwing things at it or running things across it. (damn temporary 30minute street parking and damn gas stations)
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mmmmmmm?????? Not sure what Crystal Lacquer is....... ????? Here maybe she can help you? 
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ov8YvJBEYk
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ov8YvJBEYk
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Well, from what I understand it's NOT a sealant, it's a *conditioner* that everyone in my circle is now talking about. I haven't personally used the product. It could well be total BS snake oil, but from what I do hear and see, it could be the answer I'm looking for. My family owns 4 fairly new black cars and they are real hard to keep looking sharp. I currently use several types of polishes and waxes, and I must admit, the paint on them are starting to dull from all the polishing and waxing swirls that it produces.
So here's a reprint of what one of the leaders in this movement has to say about the use of traditional paint systems and the new conditioners coming to market:
Pittman APC/Alien Liquid Research/Acrylic Paint Conditioner-VaporWax
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Should you put wax on a new car? That is the question many new car owners are asking themselves and the answer is no,DO NOT wax a new car. It goes without saying that this is a world of wax users and supporters. Wax does produce a shine, that much is not disputed. It is how that shine is produced and the consequences of the methods used to create that shine that have created a sobering look at the pit falls of putting wax on modern acrylic paint.
There are several kinds of wax to be sure. Liquid, cream and paste. You can find people to swear by anyone of these methods to keep a shine on their car. All of these methods have problems that the users have accepted as normal and choose to cope with under the belief that there is no other way to keep a shine on their automotive paint.
Don't be fooled. When you buff wax on your car you are only making the wax shine, you are doing virtually nothing for modern factory paints. Misinformation comes from many sources, Internet forums are generally a good way to find out how to address problems with a number of issues. From mechanics to health. The internet is a source of news and history. Tradition and nostalgia have found a home within the world wide web.
Just as the Internet has produced a network to the information highway, individuals seek to profit by using this network to better their own agenda, in generally these individuals are known as merchants and they range from the individual who places a ad in Google to the groups and organization that create forums to promote misleading propaganda to the unsuspecting public.
In general these automotive detail forums push wax and wax accessories to anyone who will listen to them. There is a consensus that wax is good and no wax is bad. The facts about wax have not changed, it still presents the same challenges as it did when the first person decided to apply it to his vehicle.
Wax yellows and dulls and it is messy to apply, in addition wax has to be leveled (buffed) and periodically removed due to its propensity to buildup, harden and flake off.
This makes a negative effect on the paint the wax is applied to. The stress, strain and friction associated with the application and removal of wax will ruin the factory finish of a new car. This is no great revelation, anyone who has put wax on their car knows that the shine won't last. You can see the progression as the wax shine begins to fade and dull. People looked for all kinds of alternatives to wax. The offerings of clear coat and sealers were even more devastating to the paint. Swirl marks, rain drops, bird droppings all have a increased negative visual effect on wax. Forums are full of people asking what to do about spiderwebs, swirl marks, rain spotting, bird droppings and wax removal. The answer they are getting in internet detail forums is to do more of the same, Clean the old wax off and start all over again. This is like beating your head into the wall.
Why would anyone want to do that if there is a alternative? They wouldn't and because of that Internet forums have censored and banned members who attempt to have a discussion about products that eliminate the need and or use of common wax on automotive paint.
Autopia.org is the worse offender, Autopia.org intentionally misinforms its members and visitors in order to sell their archaic offerings of wax and accessories. The site has a long history spyware and malware use. Over the years autopia.org has infected thousands of computers with self replicating viruses and script writing malware. Google: "Autopia virus malware" to get the complete story. I advise everyone not to click on any link connected to autopia.org
Products used in paint restoration should not be used on new paint. This includes polish, power buffers, wax and clay. These products are generally abrasive and stressful to acrylic paint..
When the Acrylic paint conditioner came onto the market, it proved to be such an advancement in paint care that threatened the old logic of putting wax on acrylic paint. Can a old car benefit from wax?.......Yes wax can make old paint look better but not as good as an acrylic paint conditioner can. Can a new car benefit from wax?.......NO wax on a new factory finish will dull and destroy the factory shine. You should NEVER put wax on new automotive acrylic paint.
Pittman Original VaporWax is the only acrylic paint conditioner on the marker today. Pittman invented and perfected the acrylic paint conditioner (APC). There is no wax, polish, sealer or clear coat that can preserve the factory finish on a new car as well as VaporWax APC. The Acrylic paint conditioner can be applied by anyone in any temperature. It will never yellow or dull, it never has to be buffed and it never has to be removed. It is designed to eliminate the need of soap, clay, polish, wax and power buffing of paint. So if you want to maintain the shine on your new car use an acrylic paint conditioner.
But if you desire to replace the shine on your new car, use traditional waxes and polishes. You put a lot of money into buying a new car that was built with the latest technologies, so why ruin the paint with old fashioned techniques? Don't be fooled into destroying your unique factory finish by rubbing and buffing outdated wax on and off of it.Once you take that finish off, there is no putting it back.
__________________________________________________ _________________
His packaging sure does look like snake oil!... doesn't it? He should redesign the look of it IMHO! Who knows, it may work! I'll probably get a bottle just to settle my curiosity.
Link: http://www.ibc34.com/VaporWax.html
So here's a reprint of what one of the leaders in this movement has to say about the use of traditional paint systems and the new conditioners coming to market:
Pittman APC/Alien Liquid Research/Acrylic Paint Conditioner-VaporWax
__________________________________________________ __________________
Should you put wax on a new car? That is the question many new car owners are asking themselves and the answer is no,DO NOT wax a new car. It goes without saying that this is a world of wax users and supporters. Wax does produce a shine, that much is not disputed. It is how that shine is produced and the consequences of the methods used to create that shine that have created a sobering look at the pit falls of putting wax on modern acrylic paint.
There are several kinds of wax to be sure. Liquid, cream and paste. You can find people to swear by anyone of these methods to keep a shine on their car. All of these methods have problems that the users have accepted as normal and choose to cope with under the belief that there is no other way to keep a shine on their automotive paint.
Don't be fooled. When you buff wax on your car you are only making the wax shine, you are doing virtually nothing for modern factory paints. Misinformation comes from many sources, Internet forums are generally a good way to find out how to address problems with a number of issues. From mechanics to health. The internet is a source of news and history. Tradition and nostalgia have found a home within the world wide web.
Just as the Internet has produced a network to the information highway, individuals seek to profit by using this network to better their own agenda, in generally these individuals are known as merchants and they range from the individual who places a ad in Google to the groups and organization that create forums to promote misleading propaganda to the unsuspecting public.
In general these automotive detail forums push wax and wax accessories to anyone who will listen to them. There is a consensus that wax is good and no wax is bad. The facts about wax have not changed, it still presents the same challenges as it did when the first person decided to apply it to his vehicle.
Wax yellows and dulls and it is messy to apply, in addition wax has to be leveled (buffed) and periodically removed due to its propensity to buildup, harden and flake off.
This makes a negative effect on the paint the wax is applied to. The stress, strain and friction associated with the application and removal of wax will ruin the factory finish of a new car. This is no great revelation, anyone who has put wax on their car knows that the shine won't last. You can see the progression as the wax shine begins to fade and dull. People looked for all kinds of alternatives to wax. The offerings of clear coat and sealers were even more devastating to the paint. Swirl marks, rain drops, bird droppings all have a increased negative visual effect on wax. Forums are full of people asking what to do about spiderwebs, swirl marks, rain spotting, bird droppings and wax removal. The answer they are getting in internet detail forums is to do more of the same, Clean the old wax off and start all over again. This is like beating your head into the wall.
Why would anyone want to do that if there is a alternative? They wouldn't and because of that Internet forums have censored and banned members who attempt to have a discussion about products that eliminate the need and or use of common wax on automotive paint.
Autopia.org is the worse offender, Autopia.org intentionally misinforms its members and visitors in order to sell their archaic offerings of wax and accessories. The site has a long history spyware and malware use. Over the years autopia.org has infected thousands of computers with self replicating viruses and script writing malware. Google: "Autopia virus malware" to get the complete story. I advise everyone not to click on any link connected to autopia.org
Products used in paint restoration should not be used on new paint. This includes polish, power buffers, wax and clay. These products are generally abrasive and stressful to acrylic paint..
When the Acrylic paint conditioner came onto the market, it proved to be such an advancement in paint care that threatened the old logic of putting wax on acrylic paint. Can a old car benefit from wax?.......Yes wax can make old paint look better but not as good as an acrylic paint conditioner can. Can a new car benefit from wax?.......NO wax on a new factory finish will dull and destroy the factory shine. You should NEVER put wax on new automotive acrylic paint.
Pittman Original VaporWax is the only acrylic paint conditioner on the marker today. Pittman invented and perfected the acrylic paint conditioner (APC). There is no wax, polish, sealer or clear coat that can preserve the factory finish on a new car as well as VaporWax APC. The Acrylic paint conditioner can be applied by anyone in any temperature. It will never yellow or dull, it never has to be buffed and it never has to be removed. It is designed to eliminate the need of soap, clay, polish, wax and power buffing of paint. So if you want to maintain the shine on your new car use an acrylic paint conditioner.
But if you desire to replace the shine on your new car, use traditional waxes and polishes. You put a lot of money into buying a new car that was built with the latest technologies, so why ruin the paint with old fashioned techniques? Don't be fooled into destroying your unique factory finish by rubbing and buffing outdated wax on and off of it.Once you take that finish off, there is no putting it back.
__________________________________________________ _________________
His packaging sure does look like snake oil!... doesn't it? He should redesign the look of it IMHO! Who knows, it may work! I'll probably get a bottle just to settle my curiosity.
Link: http://www.ibc34.com/VaporWax.html
Last edited by MBRedux; Mar 18, 2011 at 09:07 AM.
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wow, def. looks like snake oil with bad photoshop and thats quite a bit of bashing done on our "traditional" products lol
but this just looks like what CQuartz/Opti Coat/Gtechniq C1 does (they're hard enough to be a clear coat) You prob should look into trying out these as they have proven to be quite good on black cars as well.
Let me know when you try some out, def interested in the results.
but this just looks like what CQuartz/Opti Coat/Gtechniq C1 does (they're hard enough to be a clear coat) You prob should look into trying out these as they have proven to be quite good on black cars as well.
Let me know when you try some out, def interested in the results.
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Thanks for the feedback... You know I've been working and building cars for over 35 years, plus I've been detailing and painting them (my boats as well) for as long as I can remember... and I must say, my buddy's black S5 looks freaking FANTASTIC! I'm blown away by the perfection in his paint with this stuff, but I'm not fully convinced because we all know that "treatments" can and will eventually suck the finish dry, as in the case with Armor-All vinyl and rubber treatments.
So it would be interesting to find someone here who has had any *first hand-long time* experience with Acrylic treatments before I splurge. Looks great when applied but what happens over time is the question?
Agreed that the packaging, vocabulary and sentence structure leave much to consider, but when you check with major auto detailers (not sponsors or vendors) they tell a different story. They claim that products like this are in our near future and that EVERYONE is working on them, that this guy is one of the first of many to follow!
So before I decide to pass judgement on the concept, which is to touch a new virgin paint job (most notably the new super hard Nano clear coats like on our MB's) as little as possible, to treat it only and it will remain *newer* looking than if it's repeatedly polished and shined with traditional products. It goes against everything I know, but paint technology has dramatically changed over the years. It only makes sense that caring for it will as well!
So it would be interesting to find someone here who has had any *first hand-long time* experience with Acrylic treatments before I splurge. Looks great when applied but what happens over time is the question?
Agreed that the packaging, vocabulary and sentence structure leave much to consider, but when you check with major auto detailers (not sponsors or vendors) they tell a different story. They claim that products like this are in our near future and that EVERYONE is working on them, that this guy is one of the first of many to follow!
So before I decide to pass judgement on the concept, which is to touch a new virgin paint job (most notably the new super hard Nano clear coats like on our MB's) as little as possible, to treat it only and it will remain *newer* looking than if it's repeatedly polished and shined with traditional products. It goes against everything I know, but paint technology has dramatically changed over the years. It only makes sense that caring for it will as well!
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wow, def. looks like snake oil with bad photoshop and thats quite a bit of bashing done on our "traditional" products lol
but this just looks like what CQuartz/Opti Coat/Gtechniq C1 does (they're hard enough to be a clear coat) You prob should look into trying out these as they have proven to be quite good on black cars as well.
Let me know when you try some out, def interested in the results.
but this just looks like what CQuartz/Opti Coat/Gtechniq C1 does (they're hard enough to be a clear coat) You prob should look into trying out these as they have proven to be quite good on black cars as well.
Let me know when you try some out, def interested in the results.
Youre asking about a product used for making crafts to put on your cars paint??
You get a straight answer and a video.
Then you want to critique the image since you have no knowledge of the product.
So what are you an art expert?
That's funny, after all the explanation you just got you still have not understood that there is no comparison between the products youre suggesting and an acrylic paint conditoner.
An acrylic paint conditioner does not harden nor does it dull or have to be removed.
Once you let that sink into your head, maybe you will understand there is a major difference in the science behind these products.
You probably need to go to the Autopia forum, where you will blend in nicely. They missed the wagon on this one too.
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lol
Youre asking about a product used for making crafts to put on your cars paint??
You get a straight answer and a video.
Then you want to critique the image since you have no knowledge of the product.
So what are you an art expert?
That's funny, after all the explanation you just got you still have not understood that there is no comparison between the products youre suggesting and an acrylic paint conditoner.
An acrylic paint conditioner does not harden nor does it dull or have to be removed.
Once you let that sink into your head, maybe you will understand there is a major difference in the science behind these products.
You probably need to go to the Autopia forum, where you will blend in nicely. They missed the wagon on this one too.
Youre asking about a product used for making crafts to put on your cars paint??
You get a straight answer and a video.
Then you want to critique the image since you have no knowledge of the product.
So what are you an art expert?
That's funny, after all the explanation you just got you still have not understood that there is no comparison between the products youre suggesting and an acrylic paint conditoner.
An acrylic paint conditioner does not harden nor does it dull or have to be removed.
Once you let that sink into your head, maybe you will understand there is a major difference in the science behind these products.
You probably need to go to the Autopia forum, where you will blend in nicely. They missed the wagon on this one too.
I am also sure all detailers alike missed the wagon on this one cuz we simply don't believe in it and probably will never order any thanks to the badly done image. First impression is important. But hey you have your own opinions and I have my own, you probably swear by these acrylic paint conditioners while I just use them acrylic based glazes as fillers.
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Not angry
just amused at how some peoples minds work.
EXAMPLE:
I ask you about a good hamburger joint.
You tell me about one you really liked because of how the burgers are prepared and the freshness of the ingredients.
I never try the burger,
I just drive by the burger joint and look at the advertisement showing me a picture of the burger.
When you ask my opinion of the hamburger.
I tell you, I never tried the burger because I didn't like the art work on the bag the burger comes in.
To me, that would be simple minded.
Just my humble opinion
just amused at how some peoples minds work.
EXAMPLE:
I ask you about a good hamburger joint.
You tell me about one you really liked because of how the burgers are prepared and the freshness of the ingredients.
I never try the burger,
I just drive by the burger joint and look at the advertisement showing me a picture of the burger.
When you ask my opinion of the hamburger.
I tell you, I never tried the burger because I didn't like the art work on the bag the burger comes in.
To me, that would be simple minded.
Just my humble opinion
