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Old 05-24-2024, 10:29 AM
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Fuel pump cooling

How low can fuel in tank be before pump is not cooled by the fuel?
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How low can fuel in tank be before pump is not cooled by the fuel?

Don't know but a good question. Another stupid design by M-B. No dipstick in the fuel tank with a min. marking. M-B bean counters at work, again.
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How low can fuel in tank be before pump is not cooled by the fuel?
Very good question, I usually keep nowhere lower than half a tank for this reason alone.
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The pump is always being cooled by the fuel; the problem is that at very low fuel levels (below 1/4th of a tank) the decreasing volume of fuel available to dissipate the heat produced by the return fuel is less and less, meaning the fuel temp in the tank increases.

After a certain temp pre-determined by the ECU and detected by the fuel temp sensor, the ECU begins to retard timing which results in decreased power. At the same time, the fuel pump itself is getting hotter. I think you'd run out of fuel before anything catastrophic happens to the pump, but I think over time damage is caused by all of the hot/cold cycling. Hopefully it's the LPFP that croaks first since that's cheaper and easier to replace than the HPFP.

My advice is don't needlessly drive around with 1/4th of a tank of fuel or less; make it a habit to fill up before then. This is even more important for diesels and in winter, as it helps prevent running out of fuel at the worst time and aids in preventing fuel gelling.
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The fuel pump sits in a bucket that is always full of fuel (unless you run completely dry).
When the fuel gauge hits 0/empty there's about 1.5 gallons left in the tank.
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Originally Posted by andreigbs
The pump is always being cooled by the fuel; the problem is that at very low fuel levels (below 1/4th of a tank) the decreasing volume of fuel available to dissipate the heat produced by the return fuel is less and less, meaning the fuel temp in the tank increases.

After a certain temp pre-determined by the ECU and detected by the fuel temp sensor, the ECU begins to retard timing which results in decreased power. At the same time, the fuel pump itself is getting hotter. I think you'd run out of fuel before anything catastrophic happens to the pump, but I think over time damage is caused by all of the hot/cold cycling. Hopefully it's the LPFP that croaks first since that's cheaper and easier to replace than the HPFP.

My advice is don't needlessly drive around with 1/4th of a tank of fuel or less; make it a habit to fill up before then. This is even more important for diesels and in winter, as it helps prevent running out of fuel at the worst time and aids in preventing fuel gelling.
Yup that is why I usually keep the tank above that mark just to prolong the life of the fuel pump.
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... Hopefully it's the LPFP that croaks first since that's cheaper and easier to replace than the HPFP...

Naturally, it's more desirable to have a less expensive part fail (LPFP) but the HPFP is not really part of the equation, in regard to the low fuel level in the fuel tank scenario, as it's not electrically-driven and is not cooled by being surrounded by fuel.

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