CLK430 vs. C43
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CLK430 vs. C43
Just got home from getting gas. On the way to the station I saw a C43 (AMG C class with basically my engine but tuned by AMG w/ cams, exhaust, intake, etc and pushes over 300hp/300tq) and he was giving me dirty looks. Too bad he's going the other way I thought to myself. When Im leaving the gas station I pull up to a light and guess who's sitting at the light? It was too perfect to resist. It was some persian fob guy blasting his persian music. I can tell what he was thinking: "Ooh look at me, i got de amg, vat u tink?" Since I am persian myself and I know how FOB's act I knew he was gonna gun it as soon as it turned green, plus he jumped a little early when the left turn signal turned green 
so I knew he was ready. Light turns green, I get a tiny bit of wheel spin and whats this? Im slowly walkin the dude. This whole time he's lookin over in disbelief and im just giving him the no no Motumbo (sp?). So after I hit about 120 and slow down he does a ricer fly by but I catch him at the next light. Repeat of last time but ths time when I was turning he gave me a thumbs up. Felt good to beat an AMG with those heavy *** wheels, even though its a C class. I must be doing something right.
so I knew he was ready. Light turns green, I get a tiny bit of wheel spin and whats this? Im slowly walkin the dude. This whole time he's lookin over in disbelief and im just giving him the no no Motumbo (sp?). So after I hit about 120 and slow down he does a ricer fly by but I catch him at the next light. Repeat of last time but ths time when I was turning he gave me a thumbs up. Felt good to beat an AMG with those heavy *** wheels, even though its a C class. I must be doing something right.
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It would be a pretty close race on paper anyways, although between 2 different occaisons of running against a 208 '430, I pulled noticeably once (from a dead stop), and didn't gain any noticeable ground the second time when we went from a 55-60 mph roll (up into triple digits). That said, if he had big heavy rims (like a lot of guys do) any passengers, or basically anything that would hamper the car's performance, I could see why the outcome would be in your favor. The C43 only has a small advantage in power/weight (something like .05 of a %). Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the C43 has slightly better gearing than the CLK430, which might make the difference in the 0-60 sprint. Like I observed on the freeway, up high I really didn't have much of an advantage.....he pretty much stuck with me all the way to the point where we both wussed out. I would think that I should have slowly started pulling on him, but I never really noticed that at those speeds. Oh yeah, if he had ESP on, it very well could have killed his launch. It is a pretty intrusive system, and it can be very difficult to get a good launch from a dig w/ it on. Anyways, good kill!
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i raced a 430 twice in the SL
the first time was from a roll (30) and i owned it. the second time was off the line and i rouned him, gave the thumbs up and that was it. nice guy, turns out that he is my neighbor
i hope he dont tell mom!!
oh it was a cab. and i launched it. and i had my hardtop and a person.
and you know my mods.. well you should by now.
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the first time was from a roll (30) and i owned it. the second time was off the line and i rouned him, gave the thumbs up and that was it. nice guy, turns out that he is my neighbor
i hope he dont tell mom!!oh it was a cab. and i launched it. and i had my hardtop and a person.
and you know my mods.. well you should by now.
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Originally Posted by blackbenzz
Well I was the one with the heavy wheels (19's). My car is not stock. Renntech intake w/ green filters, evilsport ignition, speedtuning ECU tuning, and eisenmann race exhaust.
ah. that WIll help.
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Everything was great until you got to the FOB part? 
I guess being an Americanized Iranian makes you better than a Fresh Off Boat Iranian. 
I guess being an Americanized Iranian makes you better than a Fresh Off Boat Iranian.
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Originally Posted by XPRO.US
Everything was great until you got to the FOB part? I guess being an Americanized Iranian makes you better than a Fresh Off Boat Iranian.
I guess being an Americanized Iranian makes you better than a Fresh Off Boat Iranian. . And just so you know, I was born and raised in America so I dont know if that makes me an "Americanized Iranian".
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Originally Posted by XPRO.US
I guess being an Americanized Iranian makes you better than a Fresh Off Boat Iranian.
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Originally Posted by C43AMG
Being an American ANYTHING makes you better than a fresh off the boat something.I sure hope you're not an illegal immigrant protesting about your "right" to be here.
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No, this is not a political debate. Yes, you are considered an American of an Iranian decent. You're absolutely right with this forum being a car forum. It is not cool when you throw derogatory terms such as FOB, freely and condescendently. Are you not a person of Iranian decent? I don't see any indications that one Iranian is better than another even after you throw in the term "FOB". Maybe you got a better car than the FOB or you are a better Iranian American because you speak better English than the FOB. I guess this is common among your ethnicity, and you can read in the World News on the net every day.
We will annihilate United State if attacked because we are the "GREAT" Children of the Persian Empire that existed eh.... thousands of years ago? I respect a person having a sense of pride in his or her ethnicity, but it is not right when pride turns in to arrogance, and then applied to discriminate against other ethnicity or even your own people. Your personal experience is bigotry, and you already believed that you are better than the FOB because you know how they act. Believe it or not, there are a lot of FOBS that drives Much Better Cars than you. Does that make the FOB better than you because his car is better than yours?
Just my .02 because I noticed this is common among "Iranians" even with my Iranian friends back in college.
We will annihilate United State if attacked because we are the "GREAT" Children of the Persian Empire that existed eh.... thousands of years ago? I respect a person having a sense of pride in his or her ethnicity, but it is not right when pride turns in to arrogance, and then applied to discriminate against other ethnicity or even your own people. Your personal experience is bigotry, and you already believed that you are better than the FOB because you know how they act. Believe it or not, there are a lot of FOBS that drives Much Better Cars than you. Does that make the FOB better than you because his car is better than yours? Just my .02 because I noticed this is common among "Iranians" even with my Iranian friends back in college.
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Why are you getting so pissed off? And no just cuz someone drives a better car doesnt mean they are a better person. I never indicated that I was better than the FOB, just said that he was a FOB judging by his demeanor. Now if you're mad cuz I call an apple an apple or an orange an orange, then you have problems! Im proud of my iranian heritage and I certainly have nothing to prove to some random person on the internet.
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Those seemingly small mods done to your car (Greens, R.Tech airbox, exhaust,) etc......make a difference. I would say your CLK430 puts down more than a stock C43 at this point.
I have been told by a very reputable tunner that the only difference with the C43 and 430 engines is the airbox???? I personally thought the AMG 4.3 had different cams and maybe somethin else.....I hope it does as I own one...and would have bought a CLK 430 if true.
If it's true about the airbox only, than the AMG airbox picks up 27hp. C43 302hp vs. CLK430 275...Something any 430 owner should consider adding.
FOB???? Why do people get sooo beat about things. I think it's imature. I mean if your off of a boat your off of a boat. BFD. Make fun of me for being Irish...fine...I'm Irish. No biggie.
I have been told by a very reputable tunner that the only difference with the C43 and 430 engines is the airbox???? I personally thought the AMG 4.3 had different cams and maybe somethin else.....I hope it does as I own one...and would have bought a CLK 430 if true.
If it's true about the airbox only, than the AMG airbox picks up 27hp. C43 302hp vs. CLK430 275...Something any 430 owner should consider adding.
FOB???? Why do people get sooo beat about things. I think it's imature. I mean if your off of a boat your off of a boat. BFD. Make fun of me for being Irish...fine...I'm Irish. No biggie.
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Originally Posted by NitrogenBalance
If it's true about the airbox only, than the AMG airbox picks up 27hp. C43 302hp vs. CLK430 275...Something any 430 owner should consider adding.
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Originally Posted by NitrogenBalance
Those seemingly small mods done to your car (Greens, R.Tech airbox, exhaust,) etc......make a difference. I would say your CLK430 puts down more than a stock C43 at this point.
I have been told by a very reputable tunner that the only difference with the C43 and 430 engines is the airbox???? I personally thought the AMG 4.3 had different cams and maybe somethin else.....I hope it does as I own one...and would have bought a CLK 430 if true.
If it's true about the airbox only, than the AMG airbox picks up 27hp. C43 302hp vs. CLK430 275...Something any 430 owner should consider adding.
FOB???? Why do people get sooo beat about things. I think it's imature. I mean if your off of a boat your off of a boat. BFD. Make fun of me for being Irish...fine...I'm Irish. No biggie.
I have been told by a very reputable tunner that the only difference with the C43 and 430 engines is the airbox???? I personally thought the AMG 4.3 had different cams and maybe somethin else.....I hope it does as I own one...and would have bought a CLK 430 if true.
If it's true about the airbox only, than the AMG airbox picks up 27hp. C43 302hp vs. CLK430 275...Something any 430 owner should consider adding.
FOB???? Why do people get sooo beat about things. I think it's imature. I mean if your off of a boat your off of a boat. BFD. Make fun of me for being Irish...fine...I'm Irish. No biggie.
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Originally Posted by FLYNAVY
no offense man, but you have been misled. The combination of filters and airbox might add a small improvement (+3-5 HP), and the exhuast likely made things worse (i.e, probably negated any improvement from the other two mods). I would say it was either a weight thing, a launch problem w/ the C43, or just a driver's race....reactions, etc. It would take serious mods to bump the CLK's engine up to the HP performance of the AMG 4.3. But forget HP anyways....the big issue here is torque, which is nearly equal between the two engines. At the stoplight, this is really what counts....which might be a reason why the race was so close.
About the AMG mods....I still don't know what produces the extra 27HP from the 430 engine. Josh from HOP claims airbox only....I read elsewhere it's cams etc....
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Originally Posted by C43AMG
No airbox by itself can add 27hp.....just ain't happening.
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Originally Posted by NitrogenBalance
Bud.....It does not take serious mods to bring a CLK430 motor up to a C43. Last I heard also was that the Renntech Airbox was a sick piece to install that I hope would yield more than 3 to 5 HP. I own a C43 and yeah its fast....but don't fool yourself. If you can't take my word for it contact Josh from House of Power. I think he knows a little bit. Maybe he can shine some light on it for you. I watched him dyno and and fool with two CLK430's and explain in length both automobiles. This isn't **** I just made up in my head. The cars just aren't as fast as most owners think they are.............sorry man.
About the AMG mods....I still don't know what produces the extra 27HP from the 430 engine. Josh from HOP claims airbox only....I read elsewhere it's cams etc....
About the AMG mods....I still don't know what produces the extra 27HP from the 430 engine. Josh from HOP claims airbox only....I read elsewhere it's cams etc....
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Well to my knowledge the C43 has different cams, airbox, and exhaust (maybe headers as well). CLK430 has 275hp/295tq and the C43 has 302hp/302tq according to edmunds.com Now with the mods I have I would assume it would put me over 300hp/300tq quite easily. The ECU tuning by itself claims to bump hp to 300hp. Although renntech claims that the airbox in combination with the ECU only produces 298hp/321tq. Just for fun I checked the results for the same mods (renntech airbox and ECU) on a C43 and it amazingly adds a claimed 25hp/32tq! Now I know real life results rarely produce the claimed results but I assume the other mods put me over 300. I heard that the bigger airbox does produce alot of power but all this stuff is just word of mouth until I see a dyno. Ive heard good and bad things about Eisenmann exhaust in terms of performance. I believe they claim a 10-15% increase in hp for the race version of the exhaust. I have heard stories that it actually reduces power. All I know is it sounds DAMN good! The evilsport wires and plugs just felt like it gave me slightly better response, not really any more pulling power (according to the seat of my pants test). Another thing that could have given me the edge is that my front end has been lightened a little bit. Fiberglass front bumper and fenders as well as a carbon fiber hood.
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