Bigdot

hello, i have not written a kill story in a while, so i will wright about what happend on 6-6-06.

ok..

i was in the goose with my buddy and there is a while Evo behind me with only a driver and pass. the light turns green from PCH to turn on to Newport cost drive.. nothing.. we get a bout 1/2 way up the hill when the first light turns red. i pull into the far left lane and he is nexto me. i pop the goose in to first, and just sit there. the light turns green and i go, not toooo fast, but more-so than an average SL driver. and my friend looks at me and is like "i dont think he is going" then my friend looks at the evo(1/2 car length behind) and sais "oh *****, GO GO GO" and then i slam on the gass and take her up to red line. through first.....second.... and then the evo is about at my front bumper with his rear. there is a little place where a cop likes to hide on a bike, so i take her down to 80 and the EVO continues to maby 110.

well, luck wanted us to play again. so the next light turns red! and now i caught up, we are going 35 mph. i put her into second and hold her at just under 3Krpm........ BAM the light turns green so now we got our selfs a rooling start!, i slam on the gas, and the car pulls great, the evo was slowly getting ahead, then faster then faster. to the point where he must have been 1.5 cars ahead, rounding 80 miles an hour, my car does what it does best..... use the 4 speed to its advantage, every time the evo shifted, it lost about 1/3 car lengh. so then right after i shifed into 4th gear (120) we were just about even and the goose sloowly started to walk. then we slowed down at 130. gave teh thumbs up, and parted.

and i have a Q, i know the MR is a little faster than the standard EVO8, but his blowoff valve was NOT standard, it was strange, like, very strange. almost like a sound a UFO would make when shooting lasers...



thats that,
Mark

SL BRABUS

good run Mark.......Evo quick off the jump......but run out of juice at top end......

AndrewAZ

Might not of been the blowoff valve. I have a friend with a 1.8 GTI and his intake makes the most noise, before the intake you could hear his after market blowoff valve but after the intake all you can hear is intake.

Bigdot

it was only when he shifted.

mark

Sideways

Hey Goose,

I haven't seen you around lately. That Evo 8 Mr sounds like a pretty quick vehicle and since I don't know one from the other I'll avoid them for the time being.

Newport Coast Drive is a hoot to run with the significant uphill, good pavement and 3 lanes. I found the laser toting motorcycles at that spot you mentioned last year when they clocked me at 95 racing a twin turbo Pcar. I thought for sure I was going to jail.
Fortunately to officer saw fit to issue me a no front plate ticket in place of mandatory impoundment, racing & speeding. The Pcar got nailed.

Anyway, be careful on that stretch since they sit up high and can see you in the prior curve. Always take the left inside lane far away from the bicycle trail. That's why they let me off easy.

Sideways

Tangerine

was it a sequential bov?

nice kill, my friend has an sti and with awd + turbo they launch like a ****

Bigdot

yea lucky for me we diddnt go from a dig, and we were up hill. so i got very lucky!

idk if u have ever heard a RUF yellow bird, but the bov sounded like that.

mark

Roupin

That was definitely a BOV. Stock Evos have a quiet intake. They're **** off the line because of the AWD but are disappointing at topend.

Useless fact: Evos have an overactive knock sensor. It's so sensitive that the engine stumbles when you slam the hood, idle next to a car running open headers, or booming subs.

Bigdot

yea thats what i notced at 110.

2MANYCARS

I'll chimp in since I have an EVO MR. The laser shooting blow off valve noice is either he has an HKS valve, or the JDM metal valve. From reading your post, sounds like the guy can't drive his MR too well, cause the MR's runs the quarter mile in 13s bone stock, with an intake, full exhaust, boost controller, fuel pump upgrade, and ECU reflash, the car would be deep in the 12's.

jangy

Nice run Goose!!

"Too bad the driver sucked", whatever.

Bigdot

ok, up hill going 120+? humm. seems like the 5L modified V8 might have the edge. and he did NOT have an exaghaust, and i could not hear a diffrent than stock intake. i know off the line that they are fast, but they loose there power in top end. but reguardless, thats just what happend and im sharing it with u all

mark

JAY55

Xpeed

I just want to know if your sl is stock, and how fast is it 0-60mph.

Improviz

The European Evo VIIIs have a new, restrictive emissions control that drops their horsepower down which the ones here don't have, so I used the Evo VII results, which are in line with what the US mags are running in the EVO VIIIs (and the MR as well; click here for Car & Driver's test of an Evo VIII MR)
Evo VII test sport auto 11/20020 - 80 km/h 4,2 s
0 - 80 km/h 3,5 s
0 - 100 km/h 4,8 s
0 - 120 km/h 6,9 s
0 - 140 km/h 10,3 s
0 - 160 km/h 12,7 s
0 - 180 km/h 16,4 s
0 - 200 km/h 21,9 s

1994 SL500: test in sport auto 01/1994
0 - 80 km/h 5,0 s
0 - 100 km/h 6,9 s
0 - 120 km/h 9,1 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 12,4 s
0 - 160 km/h 15,9 s
0 - 180 km/h 20,7 s
0 - 200 km/h 28,2 s

Hmmm.....ok, let's try a 1996 (they don't have a 1995)
SL500 test in ams, 1996
0 - 80 km/h 5,3 s
0 - 100 km/h 7,6 s
0 - 120 km/h 9,6 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h - s
0 - 160 km/h 16,2 s
0 - 180 km/h 20,8 s
0 - 200 km/h 29,6 s
400 m, stehender Start 14,9 s

Note that 400m is roughly 1/4 mile. The Evo MR ran the 1/4 in the Car & Driver test I cited before at 13.6, *but* that was with a full dropped-clutch launch w/AWD, which will pick up at least a half-second in the 1/4 and 0-60 times thanks to AWD's incredible grip (and thus lower 60' times). So, in a rolling-start race those times would go up for the Evo, but stay pretty similar for an SL....also, this guy notes that Road & Track tested a 1997 SL500 (same model & engine) at:
MPH Seconds
0 - 30 2.4
0 - 40 3.5
0 - 50 4.8
0 - 60 6.2
0 - 70 7.8
0 - 80 9.7
0 - 90 12.1
0 - 100 14.7
quarter mile 14.5 s @ 99.2 MPH

He also claims that Motor Trend got 0 - 60 MPH in 5.9 seconds, a 14.3 second quarter mile at 99.6 MPH and 60 - 0 in 117 feet from the 1997 sport version....Car and Driver took 18.3 seconds to hit 110MPH, 22.3 seconds for 120MPH and 28.3 seconds to hit 130MPH in the slightly slower 1990 model.


200 km/h is about 125 mph, so these results are closer, and again the Evo's times would suffer dramatically from a rolling-start run....especially w/turbo lag, which is massive w/that car...Car & Driver's rolling-start 5-60 run came in at 6.3 seconds, right there with the SL...

So who knows? I first was skeptical, but looking at the data and knowing how those little AWD turbos suffer from a roll, it is definitely plausible.

Bigdot

ok, idk where the guy got a 6.9 0-60 for a SL500. that is the SLOWEST i have EVER heard for an sl500. i have many mags that have 5.9-6.3 0-60mph. i have ran agains 2 R230's and i endid up infront by a hair @ 70. my mods are, ECU, Stage 4 exghaust (pipeing, race cats, series 10 single chamber muffler, and no res) bilistine sport shocks, intake, and 275 rubber in the rear.

Improviz

Could you please scan and post some of these magazine tests that you've got?

Also, I'd be interestied in seeing what your car could do at a dragstrip, given these multiple kills you've scored. Have you ever taken it to one? That thing must be trapping over 100....

Bigdot

the best one is the "R&T Mercedes -Benz SL, SLK, CLK, PORTFOLIO 1990-2003 Road Tests, Model Introduction, Driving Impressions, COmparisons, Preformance data, Specifications, Long Tearm Tests," isbn 1-855-20653-6

yea thats the best source i have. and just to let u know, most of the "kill stories" are of me getting killed by really fast cars, even against the evo i did really win.

Improviz

And how many of them show SL500s running sub-6 second 0-60 runs?

Well, you have claimed to have beaten some pretty fast cars. For example, you wrote that you beat a 2005 S55 AMG from 80-125 mph and an 1998 M5, and a CL500...

Now, I know for a fact that a 2005 S55 would waste you, and I mean badly, by about 15 lengths in a 1/4 mile race, and even more in an 80-125 run. And an M5, which weighs 100 pounds less than your car and has about 80 more horsepower and one more gear, would also hand you your a**.

So yes, frankly, I'm really quite stunned that a low 14 second car could supposedly trash a low 13 second car and a mid 12 second car.

Which is why I'd like to see a timeslip, especially now that you're claiming an Evo as well. Either you have phenomenal luck in finding rebadged poseurs, are getting a two second jump on these guys, or your car is putting out about 100 horsepower more than stock. Your car has about 13 pounds to move for each horsepower, while 1) an Evo VIII has about 12, 2) an M5 has 10, and 3) a 2005 S55 AMG has 9.

Which makes those scenarios 1) unlikely but possibly plausible, 2) hard to believe, and 3) impossible to swallow.

I ran an SL500 in a 2002 Audi S4 from 80-130, and pulled him easily. Those cars have 14 pounds per horsepower. And an Evo is faster than the S4, an M5 would kill it, and an S55 would bury it.

Take that thing to a track and get us a slip, and some video. Because stock or lightly modded, it's not up to doing what you say it's doing.

Bigdot

ok bro, u need to like relax, if u think i am lying about my "kill stories" then jsut dont read them, we deduced from the S55 that it was 1) a fake, or 2) the guy did not go all the way. and the E39 m5 1) fake, or 2) bad driver , as u know, the M5 are 6 speed so it is up to the driver to get the 390 hp to the ground. i know 10+ people from this forum well, and they know that i would not lie about these races. and when someone races a stick car, its not just slamming the gas to the floor im shure you know that

so please, if my stories bother you, dont open them.
Mark H

and please re-read my evo story, it was up a hill, im shure Newport people can vouch for me when i say "Newport Coast rd is a steep hill to race up"

Bigdot

oh and for the CL500, thats my best friends moms car, and we raced SEVERAL times on more than one occation.

SL BRABUS

I believe you Mark... ... There something about our twincam........ That is why AMG going back to twincam.......

Improviz

Yes, this is true, but you described the M5 as falling behind AFTER he shifted, at which point it IS pedal to the metal:

Sorry, but this ain't gonna happen with an M5. He'd rape you. There's not that much skill involved in a rolling-start 30-130 run in an M5: there'd be three shifts, and for you to walk him would not be a function of his making a mistake...if he screwed up and missed a shift, you'd jerk ahead, but he'd rapidly regain ground once in gear.

And what you wrote about the S55 was also unbelievable:

Again, impossible. This IS a case of punch it and that's it for this guy, and I doubt very seriously that he'd simply think to himself "Oh, gee, this guy in the SL500 wants to race me, in the S55 AMG for which I just shelled out $130K. So rather than crush him, I will just pace him enough to let him win to 130 mph. Because that is why I spent $130K on an AMG: to lose races."

Come on, man...that's pretty incredible, don't you think?

And if my commentary about your stories bothers you, don't read them either.

Which is an excuse you've used several times before, and makes no sense whatsoever. Whether you're going uphill, downhill, or on a perfectly level surface, the rate at which a given vehicle can accelerate is a function of its power and weight, and all three of the vehicles you're claiming to have beaten have superior power-to-weight ratios than yours. Going up a hill would do nothing to change that, other than slowing both vehicles down. Or are you seriously trying to say that the laws of physics are only applicable to your opponents' cars?

Why not take that thing to a strip and do some runs? You've got to be hitting mid 13's or better, so let's see some slips and video!

SL BRABUS

Improviz...... Mark don't want to showoff... .. but he got a RENNtech 6.0 and a 100 shot of NOS..... ... Now do his story make more sense to you....... Sorry Mark I have to tell him your secret....

Improviz

Oh, is that it? And here I was just thinking it was some killer weeeeeed, duuude!!