Raced an SL65..
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These cars are fast but not that fast. No stock Z06 is going to do an 11.2 in the 1/4 unless its going down hill. As far as racing an SL65 it would be a close race and could probably go either way depending on who gets the jump. From a dead stop the Benz will get the jump because the Z06 is a hard car to launch.
I personaly hate drag racing. I am far from dialed in yet. I hardly know the car at the drag strip. The first time I went to the track with this car, I broke a half-shaft. The last time I went out (end of the season friendly gathering), I was so paranoid to break a half shaft and did not want to race but lined up once and only once anyway. On that only run, I ran an 11.56@124.53 on the factory runflats. I believe that if I go out a few more times and get some more experience under my belt (I have only raced this car at the strip a total of 5 times ever), I can get this car to run an 11.39-11.45 in bone stock trim on the stock runcraps. Here is the video of my run:
http://video.ls1tech.com/video/ea6de...4e00370948.htm
But, what people don't realize is how much faster this car is from a roll than a dig. It is FAST. I have raced a 530+ awhp Evo, 500+ rwhp LS1's, 520 rwhp 350Z's, FGT's, etc. which all belong to people that I personaly know that are good drivers and I have yet to lose a race from a roll from the above mentioned cars. As a matter of fact, I have ALL of these races on tape and will share them with whomever would like to see them. The 530+ awhp EVO owner is a member on this forum here that also has a stock E55 AMG.
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You must not be on the Corvette forums at all. The fastest bone stock Z06 to date is an 11.3@127. 11.2@127 on drag radials.
I personaly hate drag racing. I am far from dialed in yet. I hardly know the car at the drag strip. The first time I went to the track with this car, I broke a half-shaft. The last time I went out (end of the season friendly gathering), I was so paranoid to break a half shaft and did not want to race but lined up once and only once anyway. On that only run, I ran an 11.56@124.53 on the factory runflats. I believe that if I go out a few more times and get some more experience under my belt (I have only raced this car at the strip a total of 5 times ever), I can get this car to run an 11.39-11.45 in bone stock trim on the stock runcraps. Here is the video of my run:
http://video.ls1tech.com/video/ea6de...4e00370948.htm
But, what people don't realize is how much faster this car is from a roll than a dig. It is FAST. I have raced a 530+ awhp Evo, 500+ rwhp LS1's, 520 rwhp 350Z's, FGT's, etc. which all belong to people that I personaly know that are good drivers and I have yet to lose a race from a roll from the above mentioned cars. As a matter of fact, I have ALL of these races on tape and will share them with whomever would like to see them. The 530+ awhp EVO owner is a member on this forum here that also has a stock E55 AMG.
I personaly hate drag racing. I am far from dialed in yet. I hardly know the car at the drag strip. The first time I went to the track with this car, I broke a half-shaft. The last time I went out (end of the season friendly gathering), I was so paranoid to break a half shaft and did not want to race but lined up once and only once anyway. On that only run, I ran an 11.56@124.53 on the factory runflats. I believe that if I go out a few more times and get some more experience under my belt (I have only raced this car at the strip a total of 5 times ever), I can get this car to run an 11.39-11.45 in bone stock trim on the stock runcraps. Here is the video of my run:
http://video.ls1tech.com/video/ea6de...4e00370948.htm
But, what people don't realize is how much faster this car is from a roll than a dig. It is FAST. I have raced a 530+ awhp Evo, 500+ rwhp LS1's, 520 rwhp 350Z's, FGT's, etc. which all belong to people that I personaly know that are good drivers and I have yet to lose a race from a roll from the above mentioned cars. As a matter of fact, I have ALL of these races on tape and will share them with whomever would like to see them. The 530+ awhp EVO owner is a member on this forum here that also has a stock E55 AMG.
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Z06 is one of the tempting cars for me and i read z06 vette forum alot and let me tell you its amazingly fast! And from a dig with a good driver it can do very FAST times!
P.s and dont forget how mod easy it is! Almost as good as our beloved FI engines!!! I mean with tune and CAI people get close to 500rwhp! And for a car that weights 3200 pounds thats ALOT of power!
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I hate when people jump to conclusion about cars they dont know about!
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Does it really matter? They're two different types of cars. The vette is just a huge fiberglass jacuzzi. If they built the 55 out of fiber glass, imagine how much faster it would be, and taken out all the gadgets.
The vette just does not compare the 55. I don't care who wins in a street race.
The vette just does not compare the 55. I don't care who wins in a street race.
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Same here. And I don't have any gold chains at all, Vette dealer prob will stop me at the door.
The Z06 is truly a world class supercar at a Walmart price, and a Walmart interior. I would consider getting one as a track car, but never as a street car. I wouldn't want to drive around with a bag on my head. Another track car I am looking into is the Cayman S. My dealer gave me one as a loaner, with permission to wring it out. Not a lot of power, but the handeling is WOW!
And while the Z06 is screaming down the road, the SL65 will be keeping right up with it because the SL65 driver does not want to get hit when the Z06 roof flies off. The SL65 driver will be relaxing in sublime comfort, prob getting a back massage, maybe having his seat cooled with the active seat ventilation, maybe even calling his GF with the hands free phone.
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Having run your car only 5 times at the track, the numbers you posted so far are usually accomplished by a seasoned racer.
Here is a link of another beginner running his mostly stock camaro for the first time.
http://static.racingjunk.com/1/ui/9/4/0083999684351.wmv
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But, what people don't realize is how much faster this car is from a roll than a dig. It is FAST. I have raced a 530+ awhp Evo, 500+ rwhp LS1's, 520 rwhp 350Z's, FGT's, etc. which all belong to people that I personaly know that are good drivers and I have yet to lose a race from a roll from the above mentioned cars. As a matter of fact, I have ALL of these races on tape and will share them with whomever would like to see them. The 530+ awhp EVO owner is a member on this forum here that also has a stock E55 AMG.
Not calling bs on your story(ies) or anything, but can I see a video of the race against the 520rwhp 350Z's? I assume you ran more than one 520rwhp 350Z, since you said Z's. I just want to see videos of it, since I remember reading a thread (with a video) of a Single Turboed 350Z with about 420-440rwhp loosing to a C6 Z06 by just 1/2 car lenght. I would think one with a 100 more rwhp wouldn't loose. The vette in that video got the jump and it stayed like that for the rest of the race. Maybe that Z06 driver wasn't the best, or maybe your friends with the 520rwhp 350Z's aren't the best. Either way, you have a very nice and fast car there.
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Different tools for different purposes, IMHO. For me, the vette is an exagerated go-cart, light, fast and relatively cheap to maintain, particularly if you whack a guard rail or tire wall. Driving it daily will need an advanced consultation with a neurosurgeon for a lumbar discectomy in the future! SLs are great cruising cars with the occational burst of speed and spirited driving. Its comfortable and much more tolerable in normal streets. I know some who do track their sl, but with a hefty weight, its a bit compromised. But in a long stretch of road, and top speed, the sl55 would get most exotics in the end. C6Z06 is a great car for its value and what its intended for, but for overall driving experience, theres not much out there that would beat an SL55 for value, fit and finish, power overall experience. Just my .02
With regards to the "supposed" kill, I'd believe it. I've seen videos of Z06 pulling on F430s, M6, M5 and a gallardo. If speed is all you want, particularly in a straigt line, Z06s have the right formula. Lightweight construction, enough hp and relatively good aerodynamics. But if your going for luxury, exclusivity and blinding speed, you better pony up 1.4 million for a veyron!
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Not calling bs on your story(ies) or anything, but can I see a video of the race against the 520rwhp 350Z's? I assume you ran more than one 520rwhp 350Z, since you said Z's. I just want to see videos of it, since I remember reading a thread (with a video) of a Single Turboed 350Z with about 420-440rwhp loosing to a C6 Z06 by just 1/2 car lenght. I would think one with a 100 more rwhp wouldn't loose. The vette in that video got the jump and it stayed like that for the rest of the race. Maybe that Z06 driver wasn't the best, or maybe your friends with the 520rwhp 350Z's aren't the best. Either way, you have a very nice and fast car there. ![drive](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/driving.gif)
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Here is the video:
http://www.************/car-movies/09...issan-350Z.htm
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It can do a lot more than go fast in a straight line. If anything, it is made for the track, not to go fast in a straight line.
Nurburgring lap time: 7:42.9
Hockenheim lap time: 1.11.5
These times were done on the stock runflats.
Nurburgring lap time: 7:42.9
Hockenheim lap time: 1.11.5
These times were done on the stock runflats.
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The thread you read about was probably my car. This is a friend of mines, and trust me, it has 520 rwhp. Here is his dyno sheet..
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Here is the video:
http://www.************/car-movies/09...issan-350Z.htm
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Here is the video:
http://www.************/car-movies/09...issan-350Z.htm
Anyways, that graph reads flywheel horsepower, which is not whp. Convert that to whp with a typical drivetrain loss of 15% (which is pretty accurate on the 350Z's) and your friend ends up with roughly 440rwhp. Good kill anyways.
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Don't think that was your car. The one I was talking about included a blue Z06 vs. a blue 350Z and it was in Arizona.
Anyways, that graph reads flywheel horsepower, which is not whp. Convert that to whp with a typical drivetrain loss of 15% (which is pretty accurate on the 350Z's) and your friend ends up with roughly 440rwhp. Good kill anyways.
Anyways, that graph reads flywheel horsepower, which is not whp. Convert that to whp with a typical drivetrain loss of 15% (which is pretty accurate on the 350Z's) and your friend ends up with roughly 440rwhp. Good kill anyways.
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I never saw the video of a C6 Z06 beating an SL65? The video clip I saw showed a yellow C6 Z06 beating a red car that looked like a regular vette.
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This is not at all suprising. C6Z's will out trap a stock 65 AMG all day long and from a roll this race outcome should be expected. I am not sure why so many do not think it is possible.
Do the Renntech ECU/Tran unit upgrade vs. Heads/cams Z06 and the outcome should be the same.
Just face it, the C6Z is a Bad MF. Give credit where credit is due.
Do the Renntech ECU/Tran unit upgrade vs. Heads/cams Z06 and the outcome should be the same.
Just face it, the C6Z is a Bad MF. Give credit where credit is due.
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This is not at all suprising. C6Z's will out trap a stock 65 AMG all day long and from a roll this race outcome should be expected. I am not sure why so many do not think it is possible.
Do the Renntech ECU/Tran unit upgrade vs. Heads/cams Z06 and the outcome should be the same.
Just face it, the C6Z is a Bad MF. Give credit where credit is due.
Do the Renntech ECU/Tran unit upgrade vs. Heads/cams Z06 and the outcome should be the same.
Just face it, the C6Z is a Bad MF. Give credit where credit is due.
I have no doubt that a stock C6 Z06 can outrun an Sl65 mainly due to the 1200 pound difference. The only other production car under 200k in it's class is the Ford GT.
I have been to a few tracks and seen first timers run their stock Ford GT's and C6 Z06 and none of them ever got into the 11's due to wheel spin.
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Yeah by Magnusson. In the hands of all the road car magazine authors who tried to imitate a LeMans winner and racer, they have all stated feeling "uneasy", "scared" while driving at its limits. I've never driven one but from experienced authors who have, most even found the viper coupe to be a car that would instill confidence that it would'nt kill you or throw you off track with a slightest of taps on the curbs as the Z06 could. Yeah, it did one hell of a lap at the ring but not many "civilian" drivers have the skill, nor the concentration to keep this beast from killing you! Heck, the Ferrari F1 car is probably the best track car out there but lets say, you turn over the keys to Joe Blow, its just like giving him a loaded gun and play russian roulet. Just like Jay Leno once said, road racing is just like sex. Everyone thinks their great at it, until a pro tells you otherwise
Z06 is still one hell of a car.
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http://www.automotorsport.se/biltest...615/061501.pdf
Anyways, back to the 65 race. I think it was a good race, but, the trap speeds from both cars showed in this race. You got a 123-124 trap car racing a 124-127 trap car. No one is disputing that the 65 is a great car. It is, and I hope to have one someday. But, as far as straight line acceleration, the Z06 is the faster car. Doesn't make it better.
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I have no doubt that a stock C6 Z06 can outrun an Sl65 mainly due to the 1200 pound difference. The only other production car under 200k in it's class is the Ford GT.
I have been to a few tracks and seen first timers run their stock Ford GT's and C6 Z06 and none of them ever got into the 11's due to wheel spin.
I have been to a few tracks and seen first timers run their stock Ford GT's and C6 Z06 and none of them ever got into the 11's due to wheel spin.
From a roll, the true speed and power of the car is shown since traction and driving skills is reduced.
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I have raced a 530+ awhp Evo, 500+ rwhp LS1's, 520 rwhp 350Z's, FGT's, etc. which all belong to people that I personaly know that are good drivers and I have yet to lose a race from a roll from the above mentioned cars. As a matter of fact, I have ALL of these races on tape and will share them with whomever would like to see them. The 530+ awhp EVO owner is a member on this forum here that also has a stock E55 AMG.
Here is a dyno of a stock 65 and with stage one Renntech mods:
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For the price, the Z06 is hard to beat, let alone beating an SL65, which has 6-800 lbs more than the Vette. I believe it could happen, all came down to what the drivers could do, and their skills. Z06's are good, but the rumored ZO6R's are better.
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amg all the way......amg fans care about luxury,comfort and performence.. a sl500 is much more expensive than c6 z06...and much much slower..but why people buy that?? because of the elegance.. z06 is only focus on performence.. a z06 can faster than a F430. but F430 still a better car... same as if a heavy modded turbo civic beat a c6 z06...which one is better car? of course z06.. performence is just an important part of a car but not all.. z06 is much better than other muslce stock cars..no matter looks or interior. but I will still take amg if both free...heh heh..except(c55 slk55 clk55 ml55)