Yellow R1

Insane? Coming from a guy that had a ~ 1000 rwhp blown viper. The only thing that will impress you is a Shuttle launch Ben.

Ben, I bet you like your new 997TT. Its built like a Panzer (no hot cocpit, no rattles, etc) yet very quick. AND....you can mod it later if you want....perfect car for you).

-Matt

Thericker

How did this race turn out? were you rollin' your 55?

Improviz

Lol...hey, like I told ya before: I'm all about the numbers, and in this case it shows that the Z06 is a badass **** to be sure!! SL65 is as well, but I have no doubt that the account is plausible. This isn't the first time in this forum I've put in the word for the Z06, trust me!

Btw, hope you're doing a bit better these days! Know you had some health woes recently...

Thericker

I've read your past postings Your #'s are hard to argue w/ I also love the 65/600 Bi-Turbo Merc's they are seriously sick performers

Thanks bro for the kind words

merc655

I got some pics here....

http://floridacarclub.com/forum/t756...s-oct-5th.html


The Scooby and Evo are friends of mine.

treynor

I'm just thinking... if you can take a 3400lb, 5.5L blown V8 in a Ford GT and make it run 9s... imagine what you can do with a 3000lb, 6.2L blown V8

Agreed, if by "later" you mean "as soon as turbo upgrade packages become available"

Zlicious

Merc, GREAT pictures. Love the cars man. I am not a "Vet" guy, rather, a "car" guy. Any car that is fast and looks good, be it a domestic or an Import, gets my support and appreciation.

Treynor, I can't wait for the Stingray. Should make a pretty sick stock car..

Yellow R1, thanks for the kind words. Now, if only I can afford to have BOTH an SL65 AMG and the Z06. Ahh, maybe someday..

Yellow R1

Naa, just driving the RX-7 home with the wife after an italian dinner. He rolled up alongside & wanted to go a few times. I only pulled ~2 cars on the Z. It was very fast.

-Matt

Thericker

Thatz impressive! what does your RX-7 weigh? You must've shocked the crap outta the Z

Yellow R1

Its not a big deal. There are plenty of cars that are faster in a straight line than my RX-7. Its only running the little stock twins so its not exactly blistering performance (maybe mid elevens - I dunno ). It handles & brakes well though. Its got coilovers, thicker front/rear anti sway bars, lowered, wider/better rubber, and has dropped some weight? I weighed it on a truck scale ~ 3 yrs ago with 1/2 tank of gas (no driver)....2,700 lbs even.

-Matt

TopGun32

cl65 vs c6 zo6

what a difference ECU makes on this car...

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...a05992a428.htm

Z06 has tons of tunning potential.. but the TT65 can made into a luxury monster as well..

2 different types of cars..


There was a race with a yellow C6 Z06 as well.. but I don't see it anymore..

same results.

However if you look at the other race with a C5 z06( please read carefully) vs CL65.. the C 5 Z06 was fully built and boosted and it KILLED the CL65.

TopGun32

look out for TT's 350z.... this C6 Z06 did not know what blasted by..

That top end pull will be hard to beat with a NA engine.

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...ba3ff9ba0d.htm

BlownV8

That's an opinion that I don't believe to be correct. At worst the cars are even over the rev range but the 65 will win 99% of drag races from a dig against most ZO6's since the ZO6's are much more difficlut to launch. Not to mention, the 65's huge power to weight advantage from idle 'till the Z06 gets past 5000 RPM's makes it hard for the Z06 to compete in the 1/4 mile. Ranger doesn't count.

newton22

The C6 Z06 will pull on a 65 given a very good driver. The C6 Z06 is quite a quick car. And once again, just because the Benz is a more luxurious, expensive, and classy car doesn't mean its also the better or faster car.

BlownV8

In no way am I inferring that. The ZO6 deserves all the props it can get. It's an amazingly fast car in the hands of a professional driver. However, on the street, you won't run into many professional quality drivers in ZO6's.

TopGun32

Please look at it from a Corvette owner's perpective... (put yourself in the shoes of a Chevy owner)

the think becuase it is a luxurious, expensive, limited car.. it should be faster or better..

some usually (not all) like to boast that a 65k car for Z06 or 45k (C6) will spank a $100k car.

the same argument can be said : Just becuase its faster and cheaper does not make it better.

Would I own a C6Z06 you bet IN A HEART BEAT... but I will not let go of my benz for one.

Zlicious

I agree with you that with average drivers from a dig, the SL65 will win. But, what about the not so average drivers? I ran an 11.5 in my bone stock Z06on my 5th pass ever in the car.

But lets not talk about average drivers. Because if you do that, an average driver in a C5 Z06 can beat another average driver in a Viper SRT-10 (I have this on video for proof). But, we all know what car is faster in that situation even thought the C5 Z06 won.

Driver for driver, the Z06 is the faster car. The Z06 traps at 125-127 mph and runs to 150 in 17.5 secs. An SL65 can't do that. If there is a test of an SL doing that, please let me know as I am not aware of it.

I am just telling you what happend, and I did not expect the outcome to be any different to be honest. This is by no means claiming the Z06 to be a better car. That is totally irrelevant. But, performance is one thing and the Z06 previals over the SL65 in this category given equal drivers.

AdamG@NorCal

Agreed. Z06 is a racing performance orientated car. No argument over here.

BlownV8

Here are the dragtimes of a SL65 VS Z06:
http://www.dragtimes.com/compare2.ph...ame=Compare%21

The ZO6 127 MPH runs are on drag slicks and or the cars have been modified according to the owners on Dragtimes.com. As I recall, Ben Treynor ran 125+ MPH in his SL65 when it was stock. Once again, at best, it looks to be a tie with the SL65 being more consistent in the 1/4 mile due to the ease of launch vs the ZO6.

This is the best stock, without drag radials, ZO6 run I could find:
http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-C...slip-6750.html

Yellow R1

You are looking to DragTimes as the only source of your data. While its very complete, its not 100% complete. Ranger (yes, he can drive his **** off,) on the CF ran an 11.24 @ 127.03 mph. So, its been done...on stock street rubber...not DRs. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...light=z06+trap

-Matt

Zlicious

Like already mentioned, this is only one source of drag times. You have to understand that I am agreeing with you that with average drivers, the SL 65 would win EVERYTIME from a dig. I am with you on this one. But, that doesn't mean the SL is the faster car. Put any good driver in the Z06, and the SL will get beat, even from a dig, stock vs. stock.

Yes, he did. But, if you want to compare the best time out of a stock SL65, then compare it to the best time out of a stock C6 Z06, which is 127.55. On average, the Z06 traps 2-3 mph higher than the SL65.

That is the best time YOU could find.. But it certainly is not the best time out there. Ranger has ran an 11.2@127, I have ran an 11.5@125 (Look at post #26 with a video. This was my 5th pass EVER in the car), and there has been many others running 11.5's on the street tires @125 plus.

Improviz

This is an oversimplistic blanket statement, and really overlooks the available data. The difference in these cars' test times and averages are closer than you're letting on, and by no means has the Z06 in all cases by all publications been tested faster.

The Z06 has been tested at a 12.3 @ 116.6 (Road & Track, 10/2005 issue), a 12.2 @ 120.7 (Road & Track, 12/2005, different car), a 12.2 @ 118.7 (Road & Track, 9/2006, different car), an 11.6 @ 126 (Motor Trend, 12/2005 issue), an 11.7 @ 125 (Car & Driver, 10/2005), 11.8 @ 125 (Car & Driver, 12/1005), and an 11.7 @ 123 (Car & Driver, 9/2006).

If you average these out, you get 122.1429 with a standard deviation of 3.57 mph. Also note that Road & Track tested three Z06s, none of which matched the 122.8 mph trap speed they got in the SL65 they tested.

The SL65 has only been tested by two domestic mags, Car & Driver (11.9 sec @ 123 mph, 1/2005 issue) and Road & Track (12.0 @ 122.8, 1/2005).

The average is 122.9 mph with a standard deviation of 0.14 mph.

So the cars' test averages are, in fact, pretty much the same.

Actually, Ben ran a best of 11.7 @ 126, and averaged 11.8 @ 125. Thread: So we've got a whopping 1.5 mph difference, stock to stock, between the fastest cars' trap speeds.

No, it does not; see above.

Well, maybe so, and obviously, given that Z06s cost $70K or so compared to the $186K of the SL65, there'll be a far larger number of samples of the Z06 to compare (not a shot at the Z, just pointing out that the SL65 is going to be a more rare car). But in the mags, the Z06 really doesn't dominate the SL in any way, shape, or form acceleration-wise.

One other thing to keep in mind is that these are all run from a dead stop, where the Corvette will enjoy an enormous advantage at launch: it has far less torque to manage which peaks at a higher rpm (470 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm to the SL65's 738 lb-ft @ 2,000 rpm), *and* has the added advantages of 325-width rear tires to the SL65's 285-width rears....oh, and the Z06 also has a limited slip, which afaik the SL65 does not have, but even if it does, the Z06 still has a huge launch advantage, and it shows: the traps are within 1.5 mph, but the ETs are 0.4 off, indicating a better 60' time for the Z06--not surprising given the advantages I listed earlier.

Also, the cars' 0-xxx times are pretty close anyway...
Car & Driver:
SL65:
Zero to 60 mph: 3.8 sec
100 mph: 8.2 sec
130 mph: 13.4 sec

Z06 (10/05):
Zero to 60 mph: 3.6
100 mph: 7.9
130 mph: 12.8

Z06 (9/06):
Zero to 60 mph: 3.5
100 mph: 8.3
130 mph: not given

Road & Track:
SL65:
0-60: 4.0
0-80: 6.0
0-100: 8.3

Z06 (10/05):
0-60: 4.2
0-80: n/a
0-100: 9.0

Z06 (12/05):
0-60: 3.9
0-80: 5.9
0-100: 8.8

Z06 (9/06):
0-60: 4.1
0-80: n/a
0-100: 8.9

So, far from being the cut and dried smashup you would have us believe, these cars are very, very close, and to make a blanket statement that in all cases with a good driver the Z06 will be faster is simply not supported by the available test data for these vehicles.

As I said: your race as you posted it is quite believable, and I have enormous respect for the Z06; it is the blanket statement I object to...the outcome of any given run between these two is not a foregone conclusion.

jmf003

Well just to argue the point a little more, how about a race from 0-200 MPH. Stock Z06 versus a stock but delimited SL65.

Which car would win?

The SL65, of course. The stock Z06 doesn't quite reach 200 MPH. The SL65 tops out at 211 MPH.

Zlicious

Wow, wayy too much magazine racing there man. If you don't want to believe the Z06 is the faster car with equal drivers, that is ok by me. You don't have to. I refuse to argue over the internet to make a point.

SL65's are awesome, and I hope to have one someday.. That is all.

CY

Bottom line, your Z06 will look great with those powder coated rims and is the best sportscar for the money...ever. I actually looked a them when they came out...scary fast. The Z06 turns me on like a banging 19 year old girl form the valley with a natural D cup, but the SL65 is that 10/10 super model from Germany who makes you think about using viagra at age 26!