Raced an SL65..
TRY 1200+LBS......C6 Z06 weigh 3180
10-08-2006, 02:16 AM
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This is not at all suprising. C6Z's will out trap a stock 65 AMG all day long and from a roll this race outcome should be expected. I am not sure why so many do not think it is possible.
Do the Renntech ECU/Tran unit upgrade vs. Heads/cams Z06 and the outcome should be the same.
Just face it, the C6Z is a Bad MF. Give credit where credit is due.
Do the Renntech ECU/Tran unit upgrade vs. Heads/cams Z06 and the outcome should be the same.
Just face it, the C6Z is a Bad MF. Give credit where credit is due.
10-08-2006, 03:19 AM
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20+ to list......
10-08-2006, 03:28 AM
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It's funny when people post peak hp in cars and don't really look at the torque curve or torque mountain in the 65 series. An SL65 has more power at 3,700 rpm than a stock ZO6 has at peak rpm and the torque curve on an Sl65 makes that of a ZO6 look anemic. It would seem that the SL would out accelerate the Z06 more quickly as speed increased. There are so many variables on the street but I'd bet the 65 would win the majority of rolling races or 1/4 mile blasts.
Here is a dyno of a stock 65 and with stage one Renntech mods:
Here is a dyno of a stock 65 and with stage one Renntech mods:
It would take a SL65 more than 600 rwhp to match the power/weight of a C6 Z06.
If anything, the best chances for the 65 to win is from a dig due to the difficulty of launching the Z06 and the simplicity of driving the 65. Although, this would change once an experienced driver is behind the wheel of a Z06.
Again, the SL65 is an amazing machine, but when it comes to performance, facts are facts, and fact is, the Z06 is the quicker/faster car.
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10-08-2006, 07:54 AM
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Cool kill.....though I would rather drive any R230 SL then the Chevy Z06 as my daily driver....speed is not equal to class. But to each their own.
10-08-2006, 12:29 PM
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Anyways, back to the 65 race. I think it was a good race, but, the trap speeds from both cars showed in this race. You got a 123-124 trap car racing a 124-127 trap car. No one is disputing that the 65 is a great car. It is, and I hope to have one someday. But, as far as straight line acceleration, the Z06 is the faster car. Doesn't make it better.
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Still, some SL65s run stronger than others, and I for one find this story to be very plausible. Those Z06s are super-quick, and those who say this is impossible are simply not looking at the available data for this car.
10-08-2006, 02:04 PM
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FYI: not all SL65s are trapping at 123-124. Here is our own Ben Treynor running his bone stock SL65. His best time: 11.7 @ 126. His average: 11.8 @ 125.
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Still, some SL65s run stronger than others, and I for one find this story to be very plausible. Those Z06s are super-quick, and those who say this is impossible are simply not looking at the available data for this car.
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Still, some SL65s run stronger than others, and I for one find this story to be very plausible. Those Z06s are super-quick, and those who say this is impossible are simply not looking at the available data for this car.
I personally have a best trap speed of 126 and best ET of 11.5 bone stock on the factory runflats, but I have only been to the track a handful of times. I do not enjoy drag racing, so I don't care about going back and perfecting the runs. To be honest, I will probably never go to the drag strip again. I just enjoy roll on racing so much more. I know, I am a ricer..
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10-08-2006, 04:10 PM
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FYI: not all SL65s are trapping at 123-124. Here is our own Ben Treynor running his bone stock SL65. His best time: 11.7 @ 126. His average: 11.8 @ 125.
The thread:
Still, some SL65s run stronger than others, and I for one find this story to be very plausible. Those Z06s are super-quick, and those who say this is impossible are simply not looking at the available data for this car.
The thread:
Still, some SL65s run stronger than others, and I for one find this story to be very plausible. Those Z06s are super-quick, and those who say this is impossible are simply not looking at the available data for this car.
lol...good info
10-08-2006, 04:20 PM
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This is not at all suprising. C6Z's will out trap a stock 65 AMG all day long and from a roll this race outcome should be expected. I am not sure why so many do not think it is possible.
Do the Renntech ECU/Tran unit upgrade vs. Heads/cams Z06 and the outcome should be the same.
Just face it, the C6Z is a Bad MF. Give credit where credit is due.
Do the Renntech ECU/Tran unit upgrade vs. Heads/cams Z06 and the outcome should be the same.
Just face it, the C6Z is a Bad MF. Give credit where credit is due.
As for the tired argument of "class", well this is a street-racing section, where...you guessed it, people post about races, not about who has the softest leather interior. For that you may want to check out the grey poupon forum.
The C6 Z06 is a SERIOUSLY fast car, both in a straight line and around a road course, deal with it.
10-08-2006, 05:06 PM
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Wow, you must live under a rock.
It would take a SL65 more than 600 rwhp to match the power/weight of a C6 Z06.
It would take a SL65 more than 600 rwhp to match the power/weight of a C6 Z06.
Here are the hp/weight ratio with rpm as a factor for stock ZO6 & stock SL65:
SL65......................................ZO6
RPM.........hp/lb.......................RPM............hp/lb
2000........15.7........................2000...... .....22.1
2500........12.5........................2500...... .....16.76
3000........10.44......................3000....... ....13.17
3500........8.67........................3500...... .....11.06
4000.........8.11.......................4000...... ......9.22
4500.........7.46.......................4500...... ......7.81
5000.........7.38.......................5000...... ......7.27
5500.........7.61.......................5500...... ......6.5
5800.........7.71.......................6000...... ......6.43
............................................6500.. ..........6.28
............................................7000.. ..........6.58
The SL65 wouldn't need 600 RWHP to have more hp/lb than the ZO6; in fact, it would only need 574 rwhp. The Renntech SL65 has a better power to weight ratio than the ZO6 over 80% of the engines range. The stock SL65 also has a better power to weight ratio over a wider range but the ZO6 wins out on the top end. There are many modifications already on the market for the C6 ZO6 that makes it even more of a monster than the Renntech 65.
There is no doubt that the ZO6 is an awesome car. Is it for me, no. However, it is the performance buy of the century. If speed were the sole issue for a street car, I'd get a twin-turbo Viper.
Judging by the lb/hp ratio, the SL65 should beat a ZO6 if the ZO6 is not in the proper RPM range and from a dig assuming both cars launch correctly. The ZO6 does have an edge from 5,700 rpm to 7,000 RPM. So, you had better be a good driver to beat the SL65 but judging by the numbers it could happen. In non-staged and instantaneous street racing, the Sl65 will have a huge advantage over the ZO6 due to the flexibility of the engine.
10-08-2006, 06:24 PM
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It should be noted too that GM's 500hp rating on the LS7 is probably lower than what it actually makes, judging by the stock rwhp some have gotten (450+rwhp range).
10-08-2006, 06:38 PM
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I think a Rennetched SL65 vs. a stock C6 Z06 from roll would be a great race. Put only dr's on the Z06 and it is a great race from a dig, too.
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10-08-2006, 06:42 PM
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Like I said, the SL65 is a very fast car, and it is the second fastest stock car that I have raced next to the FGT.
10-08-2006, 06:58 PM
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hey since we have alot of Vettt fanatics here...i heard in 08/09 theirs going to be a a blue devil vett with over 600hp/tq stock! and some special edition vett comming out... anyone know more info ?!
that car is gona be
that car is gona be
10-08-2006, 07:34 PM
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Zlicious, nice kill. And nice car, too. I like the yellow on the car... almost as much as black like mine. To all who doubt the Z06, keep on doubting... If it doesn't beat a 65, it's right there with it so even if the story has a huge 
sticker on it... I will continue to believe it.
Until you actually know something about the car other than what a computer tells you, back off. Anybody can magazine race, even a 12 year old with a mind, time, and the internet. Get in one, drive one, see one, race one... but until you do, and until you ACTUALLY know about the car and the circumstances of the races (which is damn near impossible), don't doubt and as some have already said:
Give credit where it's due.
sticker on it... I will continue to believe it. Until you actually know something about the car other than what a computer tells you, back off. Anybody can magazine race, even a 12 year old with a mind, time, and the internet. Get in one, drive one, see one, race one... but until you do, and until you ACTUALLY know about the car and the circumstances of the races (which is damn near impossible), don't doubt and as some have already said:
Give credit where it's due.
10-08-2006, 07:46 PM
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Zlicious, nice kill. And nice car, too. I like the yellow on the car... almost as much as black like mine. To all who doubt the Z06, keep on doubting... If it doesn't beat a 65, it's right there with it so even if the story has a huge sticker on it... I will continue to believe it.
Until you actually know something about the car other than what a computer tells you, back off. Anybody can magazine race, even a 12 year old with a mind, time, and the internet. Get in one, drive one, see one, race one... but until you do, and until you ACTUALLY know about the car and the circumstances of the races (which is damn near impossible), don't doubt and as some have already said:
Give credit where it's due.
sticker on it... I will continue to believe it. Until you actually know something about the car other than what a computer tells you, back off. Anybody can magazine race, even a 12 year old with a mind, time, and the internet. Get in one, drive one, see one, race one... but until you do, and until you ACTUALLY know about the car and the circumstances of the races (which is damn near impossible), don't doubt and as some have already said:
Give credit where it's due.
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10-08-2006, 07:50 PM
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Some people laugh when they hear a stock C6 Z06 beating an SL65, but I don't thnk these people realize how fast the Z06 is.
125-127 mph traps and a 0-150 in 17.5 secs!!
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10-08-2006, 08:10 PM
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Yes, 650 hp and 2900 lbs is the word as of now. There has been a few test mules running around here in Wixom, MI.
Some people laugh when they hear a stock C6 Z06 beating an SL65, but I don't thnk these people realize how fast the Z06 is.
125-127 mph traps and a 0-150 in 17.5 secs!!
Some people laugh when they hear a stock C6 Z06 beating an SL65, but I don't thnk these people realize how fast the Z06 is.
125-127 mph traps and a 0-150 in 17.5 secs!!
10-08-2006, 09:23 PM
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On a side note, "Ranger" just posted a new record for a bone stock Z06 on the factory runflat tires. 11.24@127 mph. Damn, that guy can seriously drive.
I thought my 11.5 was impressive..lol.
Are there any 65/55/etc.. owners in MI?
I thought my 11.5 was impressive..lol.
Are there any 65/55/etc.. owners in MI?
10-08-2006, 10:20 PM
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A $65,000 car with performance head to head to something 2X the cost is impressive. The SL65 will overpower in multiple highway scenarios with ease, but a properly driven C6 ZO6 can take it on, the outcome lies in the drivers and will to push their automobiles. Although the 65 AMG motor is more impressive than the big Chevrolet, the weight issue remains present. Personally, I would take the SL65 in a heartbeat. That is just preference, and one individual's preference can easily differ from his neighbor's. 11.2 in a Z06 is impressive, but so is 10.8 QTR in a RennTech SL65, with half a ton more bulk as well. Gentlemen, respect both for their strenghts and features. And if only the SL weighed 3500 lbs instead of 4500, 'cuz personally, I would love having a thousand less pounds on my car or in a 65...
10-08-2006, 10:21 PM
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I read in Autoweek that the new Corvette will be dubbed the Stingray. The Corvette will use the 6L platform C6 engine and add a supercharger to get 650 hp. The car will be around $100,000. I don't understand what the big deal is on this car. You can already get way more than 650 hp from a Corvette with a supercharger or twin turbo system.
The Corvette is one of the best modern platforms for modifications. There are so damn many of them that the modifications are relatively cheap. When you start talking modifications, the Corvette and Viper are really king. Sure, the twin turbo Mercedes are nice cars, I live mine, but there is just so much following and guys that are willing to commit the R&D on the Corvette that they can be made into real monsters for a fraction of the cost of our cars.
The Corvette is one of the best modern platforms for modifications. There are so damn many of them that the modifications are relatively cheap. When you start talking modifications, the Corvette and Viper are really king. Sure, the twin turbo Mercedes are nice cars, I live mine, but there is just so much following and guys that are willing to commit the R&D on the Corvette that they can be made into real monsters for a fraction of the cost of our cars.
10-08-2006, 11:27 PM
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I've owned both cars - the Z06 is a fabulous car, particularly for the price, and is every bit as quick as a stock SL65 in a straight line. It's surprisingly quiet and comfortable on the road, and has incredible potential for more power & suspension.
The Z07, if they build it like the rumors, will be insane. I'm already on the list for one
The Z07, if they build it like the rumors, will be insane. I'm already on the list for one
10-08-2006, 11:30 PM
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I watch his times & traps on the CF in his old Z & the new one - always impressive. Pal, I wouldn't feel bad about an 11.5 either. That is pretty quick.
The new Z06s are very fast - especially on a roll as you mentioned. I ran a black one on the hwy about a month ago from ~ 70 to 130 mph...it was the quickest car I've run into on the street.
What I like about them is they are pretty rare (they look good too). Nice Z06 & color scheme.
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