EvilllEmpirE

hehe.. Im not that much into Audi. A friend of mine has the new S3 and I am also concidering to get one, I think its a nice small car that I can have lots of fun with. Anyway lets keep it to 0-62 time and 0-62Mph in 3.7sec is very impressive for a small car like the Kleemann SLK. I think the SLK would be faster as it has 596HP and its probably lighter than your Audi. In other words what your telling us here is that your Audi is faster from 0-62 than the 660HP 3.65sec Enzo?? I find that hard to believe. [/QUOTE]

i'm still flabbergasted on why you use 0-60 or 62 times.....as anyone know they don't mean much in the whole context of comparing cars from a roll (which usually measures the cars power). But since you are using it.....I highly doubt an Kleeman SLK55 can do a faster 0-62 than a Stage 3 S4. Why? First of all.....TRACTION. A "489 REAR WHP" SLK with its lighter weight will SURELY spin its tires off the line. Compare that to a 430-440 All-WHEEL HP Stage 3 S4 with 450 Wheel TORQUE.....will have MUCH more traction than the RWD SLK. So if you are comparing 0-62's (0-100 KM).....an S4 with that power and AWD Launch will outaccelerate a RWD SLK because of traction. As far as being faster than Enzos.....I have data (via APR's ECUx datalogging) of Stage 3 S4's able to do 0-60 in 3.2-3.2 seconds. AWD Launch, 450+ wheel Torque at 3k rpms.....it adds up. Either way.....I don't put much emphasis on 0-60's (even if it is an advantage with AWD Quattro on the Audis). I rather put more emphasis on TrapSpeeds in the 1/4 mile of a car. What does a Renntech SC SLK55 trap? I know Stage 3 S4's usually trap in the 118-122 MPH range. I know Renntech SC C55's trap 116-117.....so I'm guessing a little higher on an SLK55?

EvilllEmpirE

i've got a 118+ MPH Trapspeed slip in the 1/4 mile......I'll see if i can scan that. That is with no launch (fried/slipping clutch) so I just rolled it off the light (hence a 2.45 60' foot). I rather line up and run with other cars from highway speeds/rolls to compare power of the car. I've recently ran a new C6 Z06, and new 997TT.....all from highway rolls (from 50 or 60 mph to 140 to 160 mph) and have taken them. This is doing MULTIPLE pulls too (5 or more)......just to make sure the outcomes were not a fluke. I have video of this on YOUTUBE.....just search under the same SN as the one on here

ChicagoX

So what was the ET?

I could care less about highway runs.

Roll-on is for deodorant, not racing.

AR.Shah

i'm still flabbergasted on why you use 0-60 or 62 times.....as anyone know they don't mean much in the whole context of comparing cars from a roll (which usually measures the cars power). But since you are using it.....I highly doubt an Kleeman SLK55 can do a faster 0-62 than a Stage 3 S4. Why? First of all.....TRACTION. A "489 REAR WHP" SLK with its lighter weight will SURELY spin its tires off the line. Compare that to a 430-440 All-WHEEL HP Stage 3 S4 with 450 Wheel TORQUE.....will have MUCH more traction than the RWD SLK. So if you are comparing 0-62's (0-100 KM).....an S4 with that power and AWD Launch will outaccelerate a RWD SLK because of traction. As far as being faster than Enzos.....I have data (via APR's ECUx datalogging) of Stage 3 S4's able to do 0-60 in 3.2-3.2 seconds. AWD Launch, 450+ wheel Torque at 3k rpms.....it adds up. Either way.....I don't put much emphasis on 0-60's (even if it is an advantage with AWD Quattro on the Audis). I rather put more emphasis on TrapSpeeds in the 1/4 mile of a car. What does a Renntech SC SLK55 trap? I know Stage 3 S4's usually trap in the 118-122 MPH range. I know Renntech SC C55's trap 116-117.....so I'm guessing a little higher on an SLK55? [/QUOTE]

The 0-62MpH or 0-100km/h times are used by all car manufactures to give people an idea of how fast the car is and this is also what I’m referring to here. In urban areas all one does is to race from one traffic signal to the next, hence the validity and justification of the 0-62 times. The 0-62 time is documented on the Kleemann SLK 55K S8 and all traction problems are also included in the 3.7sec. In other words when you put down the pedal in the SLK, the 7 shift transmission will transfer the power easily to the rear wheels and 0-62MpH will be over in 3.7sec. See link below:

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Jul06/1...LK_55K_S8.html

I must say that your car must be very fast as it takes out any Enzo, Gallardo, SLR and its only 0.7 sec from the Bugatti Veyron.. Forget about the 1/4mile disciplines, I think you should do a plain 0-62MpH test of your car, perhaps you have overestimated your timing

Btw your S4 is probably a 2.7L US-version = 250HP 0-100 in 5,9sec, if you take a look at some of the serious German VAG Group/Audi tuners like Oettinger, the maximum stage 3 output on your car would be 420HP and a 0-100 time in about 4.6sec, even with your undocumented almost 500HP it would be a impossible task. So in other words I am quite sure that your S4 will never do a 0-100km/h or 0-62MpH in less than 4 sec, unless you fit a rocket in the backend. Try to be more realistic next time you post your accelleration values

And Yes the Kleemann SLK will eat any Ingolstadt Audi any day

AR.Shah

I guess Mr. EvilEmpire chickened out, The (MB) Force will always defeat the Dark Side.. HAHA S4 0-62MpH in 3 sec is just absurd

EvilllEmpirE

"MB" force? LOL....for someone that drives an ML that does the 0-60 in like 20 seconds, that is pretty comical (we have an ML as well) And it seems like you sure know alot about acceleration and fast cars Here is a post from Audiworld of consistent 3.8's from a "Stage 2+" (about 350 CHP) S4: http://forums.audiworld.com/s4/msgs/2082195.phtml

Another tidbit: http://forums.audiworld.com/s4/msgs/2114075.phtml

And you can pretty much calculate 0-60 times from 1/8 and your 60 foot. A 1.75 60 foot is usually 3.7-3.8 seconds in the 0-60. A 1.6ish 60 Foot....and you are looking at lo to mid 3's in the 0-60 (3.2-3.5 second range). Here is a database of Stage 3 S4's and what they have ran in the 1/4 mile, you can click on their slips and see their estimated 0-60 times. Most of them are in the 1.6-1.8 60 foot range, so that would eqaute to a 0-60 of anywhere from 3.2 seconds to 3.9 seconds.

http://www.s4biturbo.com/timeslips.cgi

I have seen data not just from 1/8 time and 60 foots of 3.2-3.4 seconds in the 0-60, but also from ECUx data logs from a couple of Stage 3 S4's. That would take a perfect launch/very very good driver....but the point is, it is possible. But to answer you 0-60 times question, the Average Stage 3 S4 will do 0-60 in anywhere as quick as 3.2 seconds....to 4.0/4.1 seconds. All depending on how hard you wanna take off. The norm is not lo 3 second range (more so hi 3's to very lo 4's)....but it is doable, and the ability of a Stage 3 S4 to do it is there.

So before you call someone out and "chickened out" on a board......try doing yourself some research on the Car you are questioning instead of talking out of you *ss

PS. I will find you the data on that lo 3 second 0-60, it is buried somewhere in AW

EvilllEmpirE

Dude.....you are such a Tool (sorry for the word....but you really are).....it is really comical. Oettinger Stage 3 S4? LOL Oh please.....European Tuners are some of the softest and weakest S4 tuners around. Don't believe me.....yea, just ask around. MTM, ABT, blah blah blah....all of them rate their "Stage 3" kits at 420-440 bhp....(which by the way, Euro Tuner like to call a simple Stage 3 (in American Tuning terms)......Stage 5 or 6 or even 7 which is comical. Don't get me wrong.....Euro Tuners do a fine job with their kits.....but they play it on the "Safe Side" so to speak. Let's just leave it at that. Here is the Dyno sheet on AWE-Tuning Stage 3 S4 kit.....rated at 525 HP and 550 TQ on racegas and 460 HP/455 TQ on pumpgas 93 Octane. This is the same kit I have.....but I have "tweaked" it myself to even more gains.



Here is more info on the kit:

AWE Stage 3 Kit

This is just one of the tuners....others such as Autospeed are even more powerful right out of the box than the AWE kit.

Again....this is no knock on Euro Tuners....as I am sure they do a fine job with their kits for the Audi BiTurbo S4. But American Tuners like (AWE, Autospeed, and APR) have surpassed them in power output and still providing a stocklike driveability. Listen....again, try to do some good research before you start talking about things you don't know. I kep it civil until you started posting these "chickening" out posts and BS data from Oettinger (newflash, OETTINGER doesn't EVEN OFFER a Stge 3 kit, they are not a tuner (software wise)....they offer wheels, body kits, exhausts. But again.....you were talking about something you have no idea about, so I'll give you a pass on that

PS. Stage 3 S4's will still do 0-60's in 4 seconds OR LESS......but like I said, 0-60 is meaningless. Trapspeeds telltale of a cars power...not 0-60. Hell, a 280 HP EVO can do a lo to mid 4 second 0-60, but in no way it gonna keep up with cars like an E55 AMG (which does similar 0-60 times) on the highway. Obviously because an E55 has close to 500 HP and EVO not even 300....but they are very close/even in 0-60 times!!! LOL

EvilllEmpirE

ET was 12.6.........and I am sure as you know, If I had been able to launch the car (my best 60 foot is ion the lo 1.8's)....it would have been in the 11's. I am heading back to the track when I get a new clutch in that will hold the power (RS4 clutch is only rated to hold about 400-425 HP). I thought "Rolls" were for bakers Either way......we all know that traps are a good telltale sign of what respective cars make, HP wise

AR.Shah

LOL Empire strikes back I like this hehe.. thought you were long gone I guess you must hate the 0-62, your values sound like guesswork to me, its all theoretical. Btw did you do a 0-62Mph on your own S4? Just for fun try it and tell us how long it takes.. ML is no racer, its a cruiser -Soprano style

EvilllEmpirE

sure....just take my 1.8 60 foot and my trap of 90 mph in the 1/8 and I am sure you can figure it out "Mathematically"......which is much more precise way (other than maybe say a Driftbox GPS system). Other than that.....like I said, i am not too worried about 0-60 times. My car more than holds its own vs other cars (C6 Z06, 997TT's, etc amongst others). I know what my "Audi Avant" from Ingoldstadt can and cannot do.

BTW.....what do you think of the Renntech SC C55 (400+ whp...so close to 500 HP)? Might not be as quick 0-60 as the 3.7 of the SLK but I am sure it still is in the lo 4 second range. Do you think that car will "smoke me" too? A legit question

Improviz

...at least the one C&D tested was, anyway. Only test I've seen for one:
http://www.caranddriver.com/specialt...mann-55s8.html

Zero to 60 mph: 3.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 8.9 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 15.2 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 3.9 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 12.2 sec @ 117 mph
Top speed (redline limited): 187 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 160 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.90 g

Kleemann claims this car is putting out 570 hp. Weighing 3800 pounds and trapping at only 117, not quite; it calculates out to about 500 crank. It'd be trapping at 122+ with a true 570...

EvilllEmpirE

that is very good info......good stuff Improviz Now if Kleeman rates their kit at 570 HP, but it is closer to the 500 HP number according to TrapSpeed calculations......would you say Kleeman is overrating their SC kit for the N/A 55's? Just a thought.....not trying to start a tuner war or anything. If so.....since we know Kleeman SC C55's trap about 116-117 (and that is best conditions).....the SLK55 Kleeman should be in the "similar" if not identical HP range. Say that it is, if the C55 traps 116-117 (which i said in post/reply #51).....the lighter SLK55 would trap say 5 MPH faster, if that? (not sure on the weight of the SLK55) But anyways...are there any numbers for what the SLK would do? If you could calculate what the weight + HP (500 or so HP) of the SLK would yield. Like I said....and trapspeeds are the indicative for how fast a car is. I know you are a big believer in that, as I am

PS. I will hopefully be doing runs with a Kleeman SC C55 soon.....he is actually a really cool car enthusiast and a member of this board as well. It should be alot of fun

EvilllEmpirE

just saw on an earlier reply to this post on page 1......a stock SLK55 weights 3350 lbs. Any way to do the calculation on that.....say that the Kleeman Kit makes 500-525 hp range? I am guessing anywhere from 120-123 range?

juicee63

Either one of you guys traps over 119 @ LACR Sunday Ill give you 100.00! Matter o fact anybody who tops 119 mph (except motorcycles) . gets a crispy Ben Frankiln. Hopefully I can line you up and you can help me OUT with me freaking 60 ft times !!!! My car is no match but hey maybe we go on the dial? Your car is lighter and puts down more hp! But the 63 was KING of thr drags tonight and yeah I beat at least 3 EVO's and a Lancer? Actually have no clue what that was. Anyway Mr. Evil good luck to the Audi team, you guys rock! I have an Allroad 2.7 t, LOVE IT and it has some good pop but its s t o c k. I run Mountains with it. Sorry for the semi threadjack. I cannot wait to race some of the other German super cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AR.Shah

According to Renntech the stage 3 configuration gives 460HP to the C55 and this is serious autotuning but I think it will have a hard time catching up unless a true Jedi drives it, grip will be the biggest problem, in standard trim it weighs 1635kg. Your S4 has more power (you claim +500), weighs less and has 4x4. Let us know when you race the C55 And yes Im still convinced that the Kleemann SLK is faster than your S4, the values are well documented and these are in fact astonishing results

Improviz

Quite possibly...they are only pumping 7 psi in there, and afaik rule of thumb is about 10-ish horsepower/psi. They aren't doing anything to lower the compression so that they could crank the 14 or so psi that the 55k cars are running from the factory, so I wouldn't doubt that those numbers are a teensy weensy bit optimistic.

If I run the numbers for it (assuming a skinny li'l 150 pound driver) with a run weight of 3500 pounds and a true 500 horsepower, it should hit 122 in the 1/4...wtf??

Oh, wait: I forgot that the s/c and hardware add weight. The C&D C55k came in at 3830 pounds, about 280 over stock, so if the hardware adds the same weight to the SLK, it would bump it up to 3630 pounds. So with our 150 pound driver, it should oughta hit 119. This makes more sense! Attention to detail...

Anyway, I'd figure a potential 12.0x at 119-120, at sea level, 72 degrees farenheit, no wind, good track, yadda yadda ya..

ChicagoX

Hmmm.

I always thought the more precise way to figure out numbers for a 1/4 mile run was to make a pass down the track.

Now I know.

juicee63

guess nobody wanted the 100 dollars either!

Yellow R1

Guys, not sure if this helps but the wife's SLK weighs 3,400lbs (weighed it after all my little mods were done ~ 2 yrs ago). I'd forget all this flywheel Hp guesstimating as I had it dynoed at 489 rwhp/524 rwtq? A fella with an SL65 was watching & had a cow when he saw the SLK numbers....he had just put down 505 rwhp (his SL was stock though, but at least we know the dynojet was accurate & not out of calibration). Another point to consider is not only is the SLK for 430 lbs lighter than the C55KS8, but it has a 7 spd tranny allowing it to stay in its powerband longer than AMG's std 5 Spd.

Some of you guys touched on traction & I think you are right. The car fights the ECU (with ESP turned off) a little & puts down about 3 long "morse code" twin black strips as the engine overcomes the ECU, then the ECU overcomes the engine, and vice versa. It's a little "fight" going on until about 75 mph when the morse code stops & it gets full traction. The car is wearing 265/35 Goodyear GSD3 F1s but I'm not sticking DRs on the back - it's the wife's convertible - not intended to be a drag car. See ya.

-Matt

EvilllEmpirE

Good stuff Juicee.......we'll see you there on Sunday fro GI It should be alot of fun, ...........119 MPH trap as you know is MOVING at LACR which is at 2700+ Elevation. You know from not only your car (but others) that times and traps are always slower there. BUt since everyone will be there at the same time....should be Wicked (pun intended). Not sure if I'll be able to hit 119 at LACR, but there will be plenty of other S4's that will be MUCH higher than that.....so we'll see Let's chat a bit on Sunday for sure.....you'll be in the Black CLS63?

EvilllEmpirE

isn't that what I'm suggesting how to figure out the 0-60 times? Taking into account your 60 foot from your 1/4 mile pass, and your 1/8 mile Trapseed from that very same pass, you should be able to figure your 0-60?

EvilllEmpirE

very interesting and good stuff! I agree.....the SC Kit definitely adds more weight to a car. Not sure the exact figure, but there is def added weight from the SC itself and the added hardware. I honestly can see an Kleeman SC SLK55 hit say 119-121 Traps in the 1/4 in ideal conditions. If so, I think it would be a very very good race. Either way....for me, it would be fun to line them up and see I'll hopefully run the C55K soon......it should be fun to see how both cars stack up. We will have a SC E46 M3 (VF Engineering, making about 400-425 rwhp) that will be running as well.....so it should definitely be awesome to see modded S4/C55/M3's with all near each other HP figures and see how they stack up. We'll have videos as always.....stay tuned

Improviz

Should be some fun runs....hope you guys are bringing video cams!! Like to see some of these things in action. Have fun, & stay safe!!

SLK55R

With Renntech mine came in at 3440.

Improviz

?? Stock, Mercedes lists it at 3490...I'd figure that adding an s/c and its hardware would tack on at least 150-200 pounds. Maybe yours is a featherweight or something!