MercPlease

RX8's definatly arent race cars hahha

Fountain

That wasn't the problem with the cars. Lack of power on a stock car is bad turbo couplers or loose clamps causing boost blow by. The culprit was the IC base hose. Another problem, other than most cars needing a vacuum hose job was failing soleniods.
I have seen literally hundrends of cars that the dealer said needed a new engine and when I did a compresion test guess what? Strong motor...It was always one of the issues I mentioned above. I saw two of these recently, one the dealer said the car had no power and needed new turbos and a new engine. Did a compression test 105 plus on all faces. Lose clamps on the turbo hoses and a snap clip on the turbo actuator fell off causing the second turbo not to come on line. The dealer wanted 15 grand, it was a friend so he bought me a steak.


There is a reason, the dealers couldn't even diagnose the cars non the less rebuild a rotary engine.

FYI: Carbon lock doesn't cause engine failure unless the carbon is exsessive which is caused by an improperly running engine and that is very, very rare. All you do is start the engine and pour small amounts of water down the intake which "steam cleans" the faces and cleans out the carbon.

I have never seen a 40 or even a 60 thousand mile engine ruined by babying it or carbon lock. I've also seen modified tt rotaries run for over 150,000 miles.

Yellow R1

Yes, you are a rotarite indeed. Your info is 100% accurate.

-Matt

Fountain

Yellow R1 is correct.
Heat causes apex seal failure which will show up as warping or flat spots on the seal. This doesn't happen in stock engines unless the OMP fails. On high reving non turbo cars the apex seal springs collapse over time and compression drops, neither are really issues on a stock FD. I already addressed the carbon build up which is about as rare as a ***** in church.


Actually most of us take the TSB's with a grain of salt or we modify their suggestions and give Mazda feedback.

Secondly, the site you listed is an independent rotary shop in Canada and those are not Mazda's TSB's.

Reading over their FAQ I don't know where to start. Put it this way, I wouldn't let them work on my 5 year old weed eater.


Usually it's a bad fuel relay pump issue on the second gens.

amgdriven

So it sounds like you are a third party shop. I'm sure you have seen it all. But what you haven't seen is the warranty claims and how we fixed them. So you, in fact, did not see low mileage cars near or just out of warranty until I was through with them. Congratulations, your an expert rotary doctor and you know ALL the symptoms.......

Yup, you are the man. What the hell do those stupid Mazda engineers know anyways? Thank God, RX7 owners have you.

Really? Man, I'm glad you tools are telling me what happened to our customers. Do you rebuild rotaries in Texas? Anyways, customers did not feel the symptoms right away because they didn't drive them all the time....so when it became obvious, it was too late.

Since you haven't, it must not of happened. I mean, after all......you are the "rotary man"

You rotary guys really take offense to your engines having faults? Do I need to begin with HOW MANY PROBLEMS THEY HAVE HAD WITH THAT ENGINE COMPARED TO MAZDA'S OTHERS? Oh, that's right.....you have seen plenty with 150,000 miles. There's more ****** in church pal.

That is really funny you say that, because you wouldn't make it long as a Master Certified Tech. In fact, you would be fired once the car comes back during the Lemon Law proceedings. Techs must follow the TSB's to cover their asses, in case of law suits. Oh, that's right....you are smarter the engineers that designed the engine.

Correction, sparky....I never said what I posted was a TSB. I said TSB's are not agreeing with (yours also) Yellow R1's opinion.

And a quick fix was to put a switch on the fuel pump stop the fuel pump from dumping excessive fuel in the engine by toggling it while starting the engine.(hard start issues, that is)

Rotary engines are soon to be of the past. RX8's are currently having MANY issues at this time also. Maybe you two should apply for jobs with Mazda so you guys can show them how to do it "right"

Yellow R1

Pal, you have NO idea whom you are talking to. Fountain has built & ported over 1,000 blocks over the last 25 yrs (never had one come back/returned either). He runs CIRCLES around little Mazda techs. He is a freaking rotary Sensei & is consulted upon by rotary race shops routinely. He can/has diagnosed "exotic" rotary engine issues that other speed shops/tuners could not figure out (ceramic seal set clearing issues, tolerences, the effect on compression during cold/hot conditions taking into acount thermal coefficients of expansion of differing metalurgies, etc, etc). Diagnosing little stock 3rd gen issues are a JOKE.

I'd suggest you pipe down or you will be schooled shortly. I've seen it before on other forums (ie the RX-7 Forum). I'm trying to save you from forthcoming embarrasment pal, don't be an azz. And BTW, considering I'm a 40 yr old executive at a high tech firm in Silicon Valley, I don't think I'll be applying for a job at your former employer ("Mazda"). Cars are a hobby & if I did work for an automotive firm, it would not be for "Mazda" nor at the Dealership level (but thanks for the smokin' hot tip).

-Matt

amgdriven

At what point, do you and "karate rotary master" not understand my original post was based on what I dealt with at the dealership. I not talking about any Fast and Furious stage cars at the local rotary "tune" shop and what problems you have seen with YOUR engines. I'm talking about low mileage, non abused cars that where still under or right out of warranty; albeit--TEN years ago. You guys are talking about things that YOU have experienced. I'm talking about problems I've seen with around 7 cars in a two year time period. Not ALL twin turbo RX7's......just some. Congratulations you and fountain can rebuild + trick out a rotary engine.....because I can't. Nor can I attempt to work on one.

Schooled shortly? Uh, sure. What can you guys say to change what I dealt with? Really? You're right, I was mistaken with my experiences.


Too late.


First off, damn....your old. Second off, you're funny when you get defensive.

Hi Matt, I'm Anthony.

Fountain

Jokes on you Pal, My buddy owns two Mazda dealerships. I've seen it all, the warranty claims, the TSB's etc. Matter of fact when those Certified Master Mechanics couldn't figure out a tough issue my buddy would call me and I would set them straight.


They know quite a bit as a matter of fact I have friends who are engineers that work at the Mazda Corp. headquarters in Irving. When I have technical issues I send them the parts and we try and figure out the cause...(I was the one who brought to Mazda's attention the apex seal warpage issues on the 3 piece seals) They don't use them at all...


No, but I have friends who own shops in Texas, Gotham Racing RX7, rotary performance etc. Are rotaries in Texas built different than say rotaries in Ohio? Funny stuff.


I'll repeat this again. Carbon lock isn't a cause of failure in a well maintained rotary engine. The only time you get carbon lock is when the engine hasn't been maintained and has high milage. It's very rare. Dealers always blame the engine and the turbos for any problems that arise. It's usually neither but those are cash cow items and the mechanics were never trained correctly nor were they able to trouble shoot the problems with the car. There is a reason there are so many aftermarket rotary tuner shops for a very small number of cars.


No offense at all. I know the car had many problems, I don't believe Mazda should have released the car until they had the issues ironed out. The problems with the car were mainly vacuum hose issues, soloinod issues and fuel pulsation dampner problems not to mention knick knack stuff. The other problem was dealers and knuckle head service writers that knew nothing about the engine. Go to any RX-7 website and see what they say if you mention the word dealer.



Well actually I would have zero problems if I wanted to become a Master Certified Tech but I chose another route in life. I hold a bachelors and master degree so being a mechanic has never been my goal. Oh and I am very familiar with TSB's and the procedure when you work in a shop for Mazda, I don't.


Well "Sparky" you are the one who attempted to make the site you posted from look like they were TSB's. Mazda's TSB's also do agree with me.

Posting that link showed how little you knew about the engines.


Wow amazing you got one right! Everybody and their uncle knows it though.

Don't really care one way or another what happens to the RX-8 or the rotary engine, it's a hunk of iron that you put gas in. Why should I apply for a job when you were the paid hired help?

Yellow R1

And at what point do you realize we already know "what you saw" & have already surmized you have the experience of a neophyte when it comes to rotary powerplants. Fountain & I have seen/experienced significantly more than "what you saw in Texas". I guess Texas rotaries operate differently than those around the rest of the planet. Pure Genius.

"Karate Rotary Master"? Please, put down the crack pipe & go play with your video games. You are obviously a little kid with minimal hands-on technical knowledge of the subject at hand (you were the ripe age of 19 when the FD was released for production back in '93?). Comical to say the least.

-Matt

Fountain

Your point was well taken but I have been around rotary engines for over 25 years. I have seen the issues and warranty claims and problems from every year RX-7 that has exsisted...From both personal experience and from dealers, not to mention race teams and engineers at the other end. I have also owned every generation RX-7 Mazda has made. The main problem and I will say this again was the dealers and mechanics were never trained correctly on the 3rd gen cars. They would make warranty claims on problems that were easily fixed with hoses or solonids etc. You as a service writer had to take their word, unfortunatly. If they give you bad info and claims that leaves you with a bad taste as you went with what they had given you.

amgdriven

I think I already stated Mazda techs were not allowed to work on the internals of the engine....just replace it. Can I have your autograph?


Very impressive. In fact, your mother should be proud.


1) Temperature.
2) Our fuel is environment friendly "formulated". Known for its poor fuel economy and its damaging carbon build up. In fact, 4.0 Ford motors have a special process bulletin that decarbons the pistons due to knocking noise caused by the tight clearance of the piston stroke. The formulated fuel also reduces horsepower.(different in DFW Texas then outskirt towns)

Yeah, funny stuff.


Read what you just wrote and tell me I'm wrong again.

Well maintained rotary engine is an oxymoron. If you follow the 30,000 mile fuel filter replacement (per Mazda)......you already probably ruined your engine after 60,000. Proper fuel delivery is crucial for that engine. Add that with not allowing the turbos to cool down (cooking engine oil) and repeat slow city driving with already known high carbon residue fuel......BAM. Rare? Not really under the circumstances I just listed.


Rotary engines will remain a hobby. I'm surprised Mazda still builds that piece of sh#t.



I have a bachelors in political science that has nothing to due with my sales career. My goal is to make a lot of money......what's yours?

What? Man, I already......never mind.

Do you use flour or corn starch for your gravy?

Can you send me a plaque or an award or something. I want my mom to be proud of me, too.

Umm.....was this suppose to be the "schooling" that was coming to me? Yup, you win.

amgdriven

Other then the part of bad taste, you have my respect. I'm not upset with Mazda, hell I love Mazda. I made a wicked good living from their problems in my teens/early twenties. As to your claim of bad info, maybe. But, read my above post. We had Mazda engineers visit our shop because of it.

Fountain

I know the Mazda techs were not allowed to work on the engines. You are missing my point. The engines weren't the problem 9 out of 10 times, it was missed diagnosing the problem and blaming the engine or the turbos.



Sure is, Texas isn't the only state who uses re-formulated fuels and additives nor does Texas have tempature variations that are that are different than many states, especially surrounding states. Here's the kicker, I called my buddy who has a shop in the DFW area and asked him if there was any difference in carbon build up in the cars he was seeing when he was California then the cars he sees in now...NONE. Rotary engines burn much hotter than piston engines so carbon build up is rare as I stated. Fuel addatives and reformulated mixtures won't make a bit of a difference. What will as I have said earlier was an improperly running engine and also running synthetic oil.


Ok, you are wrong again. Come on that was funny and you know it.

I've seen guys run 100,000 miles on the original filters so that isn't all true. Changing the fuel filter every 20,000 is good practice. I've seen the wrong plugs put in the engine, air filters removed etc.

True but the stock system on the car is very robust. The engine makes 255 hp @ the flywheel bone stock. The fuel system is good for roughly 380-400 hp. You can even run the injectors at 100% duty cycles which is unheard of and they operate fine. Mazda did a great job when it comes to that aspect of the car.

The turbos are also water cooled so cool down isn't a huge problem like cars which have oil cooled turbos only. "Coking" of the oil in the turbos has never been an issue with the turbos because of their design. What causes the turbos to go is cracking of the exhaust manifold which takes 80,000 miles plus, especially at stock boost levels. The underhood tempatures after the car is shut down causes the vacuum hoses to become brittle and the soloniods to fail. The mechanics quickly blame the turbos because they don't have the proper training or know how to diagnos the problem. We used to trade high milage worn out turbos with "bad ones" from the dealer frequently. They always worked perfect.

Rare just as I stated.

You mean the most winning engine in IMSA history? The rotary engine that won the 24 hours of Lemans outright? I guess we are all entitled to our opinions.



Good for you. I recieved my bachelors in Governmental Statistical Policy Analysis, similar...

Money? I already have.


Aren't you bit old to be looking for adulation from your mom?



I don't know about schooling but I did point out some facts.

Fountain

Fountain

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/tech...omotive/36350/

amgdriven

Looking back, I can defiantly see your point. Mazda techs were afraid to work on rotaries with the fear (and knowledge of) that Mazda will not assist nor help the tech fix the rotary engine internally. So, the tech had to state engine replacement was the only option. And that's why I stated we were allowed to outsource the repairs to independent shops. And that is where YOU are missing MY point. This was happening at the time of production.....not years later after you hobbyists picked apart the engine and researched its weaknesses. You and your leg humper (yellow R1) come on here trying to "defend" that something so simple as carbon build up will ruin (well, expensive repair) the rotary engine. It is funny how much time and effort you two are taking to disprove my comments when you guys are overlooking the fact that a 40K car can (and commonly so) need an engine prematurely. You two are talking up to and out of your asses to say it was "something else" that caused the failure. Okay, whatever.


You know, you and leg humper (yellow R1) are spending a lot of time and effort to "research" my accusations. Calling around? Thanks, I feel important now.

Here is ANOTHER site stating carbon build causes apex seal failure. Why the denial? The truth is out there, and it needs to be told.
http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/ro...naldamage.html

Here is ANOTHER site stating storage can cause carbon to flake and jamming apex seal. look at question #9:
http://www.atkinsrotary.com/index.php?pag=8

Here is ANOTHER site talking about the common problem of carbon in a rotary and how it could cause apex seal failure:
http://www.rx7-uk.co.uk/

Here is ANOTHER site talking about...again....CARBON BUILD UP CAUSING ENGINE FAILURE @ 75,000 MILES :
http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/car-reviews...7-2002914.html

Here is one of the MANY forums talking about the issues that I stated...that of course Mr Fountain and Mr Leg Humper (yellow R1) state never really happens....carbon build up....some become creative and actually talk about modifying a system to de-carbon on a "regular" basis. Hmmmm....
http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=33778
But, giving credit where credit is do....it does mention your water vapor trick.

But what I don't get is your point to coming here.....you state

Okay, I can buy that. But I said it was never caught and most likely too late when that brought it in to me. You state that carbon build up happens and give a technique to fix it and state it is rare for carbon build up to cause apex seal failure. Really? Everyone else states it is common for it to have carbon build up. Then you quote:

Now carbon build-up in general is rare? Well what is it? Make up your mind.

Me? How? I stated rotaries had problems with premature apex failure and we (dealership) told them they need a new engine....if not, go to a third party shop and have them "rebuild" it. What in the hell is your point? Because you:

1) Told me I was wrong with saying apex failure caused the problems we had with the cars. Really? Compression test and other results had to be given to customer before we could ask for $18,000. We tried, they said no....so we told them they can get it done cheaper elsewhere........

2) Told me carbon lock was rare to cause apex failure.Really? At what in the hell point do you know when the car was taken to my service department?

3) Told me that carbon was not a problem with the rotary engine. Really?


http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/pr...t_2/index.html

Strange, it seems a lot of people think differently. Why is it, only you know the "real" truth about rotaries and everyone else is "clueless"? From now on, you will be referred to as, ROTARY GOD. It was you, not Moses, that split the Red Sea. And ONLY YOU can, not Chuck Norris, slam a revolving door.

You missed the boat on that one. I was talking about the importance of a properly flowing fuel system for the reliability of the rotary engine.

Just about EVERY forum out there (with turbo RX-7s) talk about the importance of proper cool down. (well, all turbo's actually) Once again, you are selecting whats important to your opinion.


Umm, no. Actually the one that gets Mazda in trouble every time they sell it to the public.

My mid-life crisis crack struck a nerve with you and leg humper, didn't it.


What?

No, just YOUR facts.

Yellow R1

You have the maturity level & rotary knowledge of a 7th grade kid. It's absolutley comical reading your opinions about 3rd gen powerplants (and your childish name calling antics). I especially like the links you keep posting. This one in particular.... http://www.rx7-uk.co.uk/ Are you kidding me? It's some UK "Joe Blow" giving his various personal opinions about the pros & cons of his 2 old rotary cars. He has never even OWNED a 3rd Gen RX-7, let alone WORKED on one. This is where you are getting information (coupled with your vast experience as a 19 yr old working as a Clerk at a Mazda dealer for a few years)?! Wait, last one - promise!.....this is my 2nd favorite, http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/car-reviews...7-2002914.html It's a post from some UK Yahoo editorial writer - oooohhh noooo - another rotary "expert"! This rotary pro speaks of, "rotor tip wear" at 75,000 miles (not carbon build up as you stipulated). In either case, neither is right! There is no such thing as "rotor tip wear? He also went on to talk about how the 968 was a better handling car than the FD? Errr, no....not even close Sherlock. This stuff just keeps getting funnier & funnier!

We both tried helping you, yet you continue to resort to adolescent behavior.
Tell ya what, after you have built & ported over 1,000 12A & 13B blocks for over 26 years for customers all over the US, we'll start listening. Hint: large bold face font ain't helping your cause. Uh oh.... seems you are on probation, maybe some others are also telling you to cool off a bit?

-Matt

Fountain

Mazda would never let their dealers out source to independent shops especially on a warranty repair when the engines first came out. They would have no way to determine the failure of the problem, the quality of the work etc.

Again you don't know what you are talking about. The four port 13b has been in production for over 25 years.

Wrong again. I said it can happen but it's VERY, VERY rare and when it does happen it's almost always caused by improper maintinence.

Hey that's my good friend Kevin, he called me last week to discuss apex seal warpage on one of his customers cars with a single turbo.

Did you even read YOUR OWN LINK? IT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID!

Hey, that's another friend of mine, Dan Atkins. Did you read what he says? Same thing! Poor maintinence.

Some guys website who doesn't even build rotary engines is proof? Proof of what? He can write something and put it up on a website?

Again second hand hearsay, not an engine builder or rotary expert.

I also know Rob Golden at Pinapple.
As I said you can clean the carbon off the rotors by pouring a slight bit of water down the intake plentum. The reason for doing so is to keep the rotor faces clean which is important with high hp boosted rotaries, it can stop detonation. It has nothing to do with the engine be ruined by carbon lock.

My explaination is correct. It's rare as Kevin and I and others have said. It's mainly an issue on high hp rotaries where you want clean rotor faces or when a car has been neglected. Very simple.

That was an article by Shiv Pathic who had no experience with rotary engines. he recieved most of his education fro Brian @ Mostly Mazda, who is now out of business and Shane racing. Cool down the car so the seals between the rotor housings have time to cool down? Funny stuff.

Is that why the credible links you posted for engine builders supported what I have been saying the entire thread?


No I didn't, you missed mine. The fuel system flows so well I have seen clogged injectors (25% Plus) and the car still ran fine even under full boost.

No, the turbos are water cooled and oil cooled, do a serach on turbo timers for the RX-7 and see waht they say.

You mean the RX-7 that was sports car of the year for Car @ Driver? The car that sold hundrends of thousands of units? Funny stuff.

Uh no...


My facts are spot on.

Oh and since I'm talking out of my "azz" with over 25 years of experience and hundreds and hundrends engines built including build them for race shops etc. and ship them all over the country maybe you can tell us all your experience? Other than Joe's website?????

Lastly what's with all the hostility? I think I have been more than nice to you even after your nasty jabs...shame you can do the same back.

amgdriven

Why would I ask someone for $18,000 if it was under warranty? Spot on, there.

I dealt with Gen III twin turbos. You, know....Gen III twin turbos that had more problems then the Gen I and Gen II. (Gen II single turbos were rare, I didn't deal with them much)

What? You are missing the point of it happening. I can give a rats *** on how or why "you" think it happens. It happens. That is my point.

Tell Kevin, Amgdriven says .........

Correction, you said carbon build up is rare. I'm proving it happens and COULD happen. Make up your mind Rotary God.

Oh, ****...here we go. You said it is not common. So I post different sources showing it happens. If so rare, why are so many people talking about it?



Exactly my point on why you are here.

Rotary God speaks and the earth trembles.

Let me quote the rest of his comments. It seems you "forgot" to post this.I will highlight the things I have already quoted earlier in this post.

"Neglect" for a rotary engine is different then "neglect" for a piston engine. Not "redlining" an engine is neglect to you guys? That explains problems with the "babied" low mileage Rx-7's.That's the problem with many of the owners of RX-7's I dealt with 12 years ago, they don't know. I'm not talking the entire world shared my experience. Just some of my customers. You say I was wrong with my experiences and questioning what I dealt with. At what point can you not understand that?


Simple? Not for you, apparently. I said Gen III twin turbo RX-7's gave some customers with low mileage problems, some leading to a "new engine" You come on here trying to defend the "rotary way of life"



Rotary God speaks and the earth trembles.

You just don't get it, do you?


I like red seedless grapes, not the green ones.

Man, ALL turbos need a quick cool down. Yeah, read the posts........

Any engine that has a life expectancy of under 100,000 miles stock is not a prize winner. RX-8 is approaching a total recall on the rotaries due to major problems. You're alone on that one. Well, not really....you have leg humper.

Shhhhh......do you hear that? That's reason knocking, go answer it.

I'm saying that the RX-7 is prone for problems. I dealt with those problems with "normal, non-rotary loving customers" Not freaks like you guys that can justify and write-off any problem with your beloved engines. Everyday customers that were shocked to see a low mileage car give them problems when NO other piston-type car has in their previous car ownership.Is it really hard for you to understand where I coming from?

Why are you here? What is your point on coming here and trying to defend the rotary engine? You and leg humper are going in circles to prove a pointless point. I said it happened and proved it could happen. You say it is rare and it was the customer's fault for their problems. Rotary God speaks and no one gives a ****. Take leg humper with you.

amgdriven

I must be getting better, then.

Man, give me some credit........I just picked some from the "29,000" results found on "Rotary engine carbon build up". Sorry if they don't qualify to you.

Help me? With what?

First off, Matt......don't get your blood pressure up, at your age...it's dangerous.
Second off, not interested on getting you tools to listen.

It's all in fun, man. Besides, it's just the "kill" thread and that's what I'm doing.

--Anthony

amgdriven

Your next response should be good,Rotary God. It is taking almost a 1/2 hour "responding" to this thread.

I can't wait, it feels like Christmas Eve.

Fountain

You didn't do either, warranty or non warranty. It's a lie.


Gen II's all had 13b's! It's the same engine! (Non turbo had 6 ports). The engine isn't the problem, it's the hoses, solonoids etc. Hello ???



No the point is it's not happening but you have no rotary experience and don't know any better so you keep repeating the same naive comments.



Yes I said it's VERY rare. Hint: Rare means it does happen.


No, you posted two sites from sources who don't build rotary engines. The other sources which do backed up exactly what I said, EXACTLY. Kevin stated out of hundreneds and hundrends of engines he has built ONE was from carbon lock! ONE!


I have built rotary engines and you? Not a one, it's painfully obvious who knows what they are talking about and who doesn't.


Let me quote the rest of his comments. It seems you "forgot" to post this.I will highlight the things I have already quoted earlier in this post.


No, neglect is not changing the oil, bad coils, wires poor maintenance.


Because I've taken apart hundrends of those low milage "babied" engines and there was no big deposits of carbon. How do I know they were babied ? Blown or lose turbo hoses, the second turbo wouldn't even come on line. The difference with you and me is experience, I didn''t take the word of an untrained tech who never took apart a rotary engine. I did it myself.


The question was cleaning the carbon off the rotor faces and why. Not you think customers engines were bad. Try and stay focused here.


No you don't. Your point is irrelevant, Kevin follows it up with;

Hello?????

The RX-8 was getting enough oil which Mazda is addressing. I've seen plenty of RX-8's with over 100,000 miles problem free.


Grow up.



Wrong again. I said the problems diagnosed by the dealers on the engines were mistaken. The car had plenty of problems which I mentioned over and over like soloniods, hose couplers, hoses etc. Reading comprehension is critical.


See above. Yes we know where you are coming from, mechanic without the ability to trouble shoot the car tells you a problem you take it and run with it. No experience in either one of you. We get it.


My point was to set the record straight to somebody who doesn't know what he is talking about. I also said it could happen but it was very rare which it is.


I'm sure everybody in the rotary world listens to a guy who has never built one, never worked on one and knows nothing about them. Great credientials on the subject.

I think this will be a very ironic post shortly.

amgdriven

Yes, ironic indeed. Here you go.....................



My point is that the Gen III is a problematic and finicky piece of sh*t. Period. I have not claimed to know how to build one nor work on one. Just had to deal with angry customers and one lemon law lawsuit. That's all. I commented to a Mercedes Benz forum about major problems with low mileage rotaries that I experienced years ago. You, are here to change the minds and hearts of those that might think the rotary is a piece of crap also. Is it working? Probably not.

Do you also install big wings on your customer's cars? Man, that would be cool.

Yellow R1

Reading comprehension seems to be an issue with you. Here is a another hint: Nobody said carbon build up was an impossibility. What we did say was that it was so RARE it's not even an issue. If you don't change your oil in a piston motor, guess what?.... you will break/cease your motor as well. It's called normal maintenance....not an inherant engine design flaw . And, I have never heard of anyone not running their RX-7 (it also does not need to be redlined to keep the engine, "carbon free". Hilarious stuff!)

You have never even wrenched with an engine but are posting a bunch of internet sites (some are individual 3rd party "nobody's" to substantiate your theories that you heard from some Mazda techs 10 yrs ago (that also couldn't even open a motor or properly diagnose 90% of any of even the most simple issues)?

Leg humper? Yet another mature comment. I don't think you are going to be on this Forum much longer.

-Matt

amgdriven

I get this funny feeling you are upset. I know, I know......it's not true. I don't know, I just feel you are trying to tell me something, that's all. You know, that awkward feeling you get when you when give someone a curb sandwich and bystanders are like "damn, amgdriven took it a little too far".

Anyway, I just want you and fountain to know I think the world of you two. No, really....I do. If there is ANYTHING I can do for you guys........I'm just a type away.