My CLK63 BS vs. CLS55
04-20-2008, 11:24 AM
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Once again, yesterday I ran a terrible 13.19 @ 116mph with a 2.32 60ft time.
Last fall I ran a 12.21 @ 117mph with a 1.79 60ft time.
I think Jim Brady has already calculated that if I can duplicate my 1.79 60ft I should be in the very low 11.0 second range. Keep in mind my passes yesterday were on the Pirelli Corsa running 44psi, I had not aired down yet. Drag wheels and Micky Thompsons are on their way.
Last fall I ran a 12.21 @ 117mph with a 1.79 60ft time.
I think Jim Brady has already calculated that if I can duplicate my 1.79 60ft I should be in the very low 11.0 second range. Keep in mind my passes yesterday were on the Pirelli Corsa running 44psi, I had not aired down yet. Drag wheels and Micky Thompsons are on their way.
04-20-2008, 11:54 AM
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'05 C55(sold)'05 E55(sold)'06 911C4S(sold)'06 ML350 '06 CLS55(sold),buncha slo bikes
jrcart,here is a somewhat useful tool for equating 1/4mi performance.It's calculated using a 10%driveline loss(most likely manual trans) so the numbers would be a tad bit off since our cars have close to 18-20% loss
http://www.wallaceracing.com/hpcalculatorquarter.php
http://www.wallaceracing.com/hpcalculatorquarter.php
04-20-2008, 12:26 PM
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After today I am wonering if I could have turned a better e/t with my stock wheels and tires. It was like I was on ice today. At one point the tires were spinning so effortlessly that I thought I broke something, All I heard was engine, not tires did not even feel them spinning.
Good luck with your mods, keep everyone posted.
Good luck with your mods, keep everyone posted.
04-21-2008, 10:26 AM
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Jcart: So, the offer to buy a brand new C6 Z06 off the showroom floor was complete [edited]
Still waiting for the answer...
Jcart: So, the offer to buy a brand new C6 Z06 off the showroom floor was complete [edited]
Still waiting for the answer...
04-21-2008, 01:32 PM
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I did want to mention the other myth, I keep hearing from the Zo6 contingent with respect to weight. The Black published weight is 3800 and that INCLUDES DRIVER, 90% of a full tank of gas (90 lbs) and 22 lbs luggage. Vette weigh it dry. Difference is about 275 lbs net. Unless it's the average vette driver then its about equal.
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Actually the US spec CLk63 Black Series weight is reported at 1,760kg or 3,872lbs. This includes 68kg for the driver (150lbs), tank filled to 90% (the 90lbs sounds about right) and 7kg for luggage (15.4lbs). That brings the weight down to 3,617lbs dry. The Z06 dry weight is 3,132lbs. A difference of 485lbs. But you are right that average Vette driver could help reduce that differential.
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04-21-2008, 03:41 PM
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Actually the US spec CLk63 Black Series weight is reported at 1,760kg or 3,872lbs. This includes 68kg for the driver (150lbs), tank filled to 90% (the 90lbs sounds about right) and 7kg for luggage (15.4lbs). That brings the weight down to 3,617lbs dry. The Z06 dry weight is 3,132lbs. A difference of 485lbs.
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Actually the US spec CLk63 Black Series weight is reported at 1,760kg or 3,872lbs. This includes 68kg for the driver (150lbs), tank filled to 90% (the 90lbs sounds about right) and 7kg for luggage (15.4lbs). That brings the weight down to 3,617lbs dry. The Z06 dry weight is 3,132lbs. A difference of 485lbs.
Tom
With that kind of power, it should be trapping at 126 mph or so (with a 68kg driver and 3/4 tank; 7kg of luggage wouldn't change it much, so left it in).
However, there are numerous stock Z06s that've trapped at or just shy of this speed, indicating a higher-than-rated horsepower output (Motor Trend estimated at least 530 crank for the one they tested/dynoed in this article; the vehicle ran an 11.6@126.6 1/4 mi if anyone is interested), so this BS shouldn't be pulling any well-driven Z06s by huge margins, to be sure....but therein lies the key: "well driven" is difficult with a car w/that much power. The car might be able to turn high 11s in stock form, but most drivers are not.
From a rolling start, though, where launch is out of the equation, if a driver is a good shifter and doesn't bump the rev limiter, that's a different story.
Put it this way: I'd love to see a video!!
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04-21-2008, 03:55 PM
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This may be why...
No data for 65-series, unfortunately, but 600 series CL was 0.2mph behind the BS. This is the same mag who use multiple runs to extract the best times and have no bias. Now, I'm not a magazine racer but it's a fair indicator of how quick/fast cars are.
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Your black series is a nice car and I'm sure is fast, but those comments about the house and buying a Vanquish were pretty cocky.
I'll race you in my fast C230.
04-21-2008, 09:05 PM
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Offer still stands for that one [edited] TMC M5, if that is you, then yes the offer still stands. He is the one that has not responded, so who's the BS'er? PM me your contact info and we'll talk, I'm a man of my word...are you?
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04-21-2008, 09:19 PM
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ones too fast according to CHP!
Are you guys not able to READ? I asked everyone to chill, and since that post I have had to edit and give infractions to nearly every post/user.
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04-22-2008, 12:24 AM
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http://www.mercedes-amg.com/CLK_Black_Series/
Actually the US spec CLk63 Black Series weight is reported at 1,760kg or 3,872lbs. This includes 68kg for the driver (150lbs), tank filled to 90% (the 90lbs sounds about right) and 7kg for luggage (15.4lbs). That brings the weight down to 3,617lbs dry. The Z06 dry weight is 3,132lbs. A difference of 485lbs. But you are right that average Vette driver could help reduce that differential.
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Actually the US spec CLk63 Black Series weight is reported at 1,760kg or 3,872lbs. This includes 68kg for the driver (150lbs), tank filled to 90% (the 90lbs sounds about right) and 7kg for luggage (15.4lbs). That brings the weight down to 3,617lbs dry. The Z06 dry weight is 3,132lbs. A difference of 485lbs. But you are right that average Vette driver could help reduce that differential.
Tom
Thanks I was using 75 kg for the driver (165 pounds). The 08 Zo6 with the 2Lz package is a bit heavier than the 3165. There is no published numbers with the luxuary side air bags, accoustic package (sound deadening) or additonal glue to hold the roof on but most vette guys admitt its a biscut over 3200.
04-22-2008, 02:15 AM
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I have noticed this before, and mentioned it on several threads that several members here have inflated ego's like never seen before. Who cares about you drive 20 cars or million dollar houses? Why post it here? Why insult other members by saying "they will never drive a real car". This is the type of behavior that makes people leave because they want no part of it.
It amazes though, that even though Jcart insulted several members, a great deal because he generalized that he was not put on probation as well like the others were. Somehow this does not seem fair, JMO.
This started out as a fun kill story, but turned into a display of appalling posts.
04-22-2008, 09:50 AM
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Brad, I agree with your post earlier and this one as well. This thread got blown up into some nonsense from Jcart just pointing out that he blew a CLS55 out, and then the Z06 talks. However, the way he responded and several others was just tasteless and childlike. I cannot believe that someone on that level of business dealings would do that much bragging, name-calling, and insulting people. I have never seen that before myself, but oh well.
I have noticed this before, and mentioned it on several threads that several members here have inflated ego's like never seen before. Who cares about you drive 20 cars or million dollar houses? Why post it here? Why insult other members by saying "they will never drive a real car". This is the type of behavior that makes people leave because they want no part of it.
It amazes though, that even though Jcart insulted several members, a great deal because he generalized that he was not put on probation as well like the others were. Somehow this does not seem fair, JMO.
This started out as a fun kill story, but turned into a display of appalling posts.
I have noticed this before, and mentioned it on several threads that several members here have inflated ego's like never seen before. Who cares about you drive 20 cars or million dollar houses? Why post it here? Why insult other members by saying "they will never drive a real car". This is the type of behavior that makes people leave because they want no part of it.
It amazes though, that even though Jcart insulted several members, a great deal because he generalized that he was not put on probation as well like the others were. Somehow this does not seem fair, JMO.
This started out as a fun kill story, but turned into a display of appalling posts.
Also, for the record, TMC M5 and Elliopede182 are the ones that started with the harsh remarks, such as the "daddy's money" comments. I think you guys need to go back and read this one from start to finish and take a closer look at who jumped on who. This one has been beat to death already!
04-22-2008, 10:19 AM
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jrcart/Jim:
I immediately apologized for the daddy/money comment....obviously you haven't accepted that apology...but that is your perogative.
Please look back and see that I did respond to your challenge. I admitted that I was no John Force....and stated that I never said that a Z06 could run an 11.5 on stock tires (others have since stated that they have seen a 10.9 on stock tires...but I can only go from what I have seen which is an 11.7-11.9 with a skilled driver). I don't own a Z06...the 10 minutes of driving time would not make me an expert at launching it. There are stronger proponents of the Z06 than I in this thread..who have made far greater claims...what difference does it make who takes up the challenge?
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I immediately apologized for the daddy/money comment....obviously you haven't accepted that apology...but that is your perogative.
Please look back and see that I did respond to your challenge. I admitted that I was no John Force....and stated that I never said that a Z06 could run an 11.5 on stock tires (others have since stated that they have seen a 10.9 on stock tires...but I can only go from what I have seen which is an 11.7-11.9 with a skilled driver). I don't own a Z06...the 10 minutes of driving time would not make me an expert at launching it. There are stronger proponents of the Z06 than I in this thread..who have made far greater claims...what difference does it make who takes up the challenge?
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04-22-2008, 10:55 AM
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Also, for the record, TMC M5 and Elliopede182 are the ones that started with the harsh remarks, such as the "daddy's money" comments. I think you guys need to go back and read this one from start to finish and take a closer look at who jumped on who. This one has been beat to death already!
????? What Corvette Z06's have you been watching? I took my car to the track bone stock last fall and ran consistant 12.20's, there were a half dozen stock Z06's out ther running 12.10-12.20....how do you figure 7 lengths? You must have been lying to your wife all these years too! Time to go to Home Depot and invest in a new tape measurer. As for a 600whp vette or Mustang, I would call those both healily modded cars, you are not going to get that with bolt on stuff....maybe a bolt on supercharger!
Bottom line is the only car I have lost a race to was an SLR...in a roll on, and I held my own pretty well, it was not walking hard from me.
Bottom line is the only car I have lost a race to was an SLR...in a roll on, and I held my own pretty well, it was not walking hard from me.
Then, after others responded with a few more points about the horsepower these cars can make, you lit into them with this:
I hear all this talk from people about "this car can easily make X amount of HP" could ah, should ah, would ah. I hear all this talk and never see anything to back it up. All I said was I beat a GT500 "spanked it actually" and we get all the experts saying this and that, well guess what, I don't know if it had 400 or 600 hp, nor do I care. The first car that hands me a legit smack down, I will be impressed. Further more, my car was not even built for drag racing, it is a road racing car, how many "600 hp GT 500's" do you think will beat me around a road course....let me help you all out ZERO!. I built a car that can do it all, drag race, road race and look great cruising down the blvd.
There is alway going to be someone with a faster car...I just have not run up many yet. The only car that has beat me was an SLR doing roll-ons and I held up better than expected.
Here is a list of the cars I have beaten
Ferarri F430 0-100
Bently Continental GT convert (Frank Thomas) 55-150
CLK 63 Black Series 1/4...by 10 lengths...5-6 times in a row
CLS 55 0-120
Ford Mustang GT 500 -120....real bad
BMW M5 1/4 mile when I was stock by 2 lengths
Porsche Carrera 4S 70-140 or so
Corvette C5 Z05 1/4 mile (I was stock)
My own Lingenfelter CTS-V...real close CLK by a nose
My own Dinan M3 not even a race (I was stock)
Corvette C6 Z06 1/4 mile by a nose (I was stock)
There is alway going to be someone with a faster car...I just have not run up many yet. The only car that has beat me was an SLR doing roll-ons and I held up better than expected.
Here is a list of the cars I have beaten
Ferarri F430 0-100
Bently Continental GT convert (Frank Thomas) 55-150
CLK 63 Black Series 1/4...by 10 lengths...5-6 times in a row
CLS 55 0-120
Ford Mustang GT 500 -120....real bad
BMW M5 1/4 mile when I was stock by 2 lengths
Porsche Carrera 4S 70-140 or so
Corvette C5 Z05 1/4 mile (I was stock)
My own Lingenfelter CTS-V...real close CLK by a nose
My own Dinan M3 not even a race (I was stock)
Corvette C6 Z06 1/4 mile by a nose (I was stock)
