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Old 05-02-2009 | 09:00 PM
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C32 AMG vs SRT-8 Challenger

Ahh it has been a while since I posted a kill. Too many problems with the car in the past 8 months to write anything decent. But today was a good hunt for the old AMG.

Me and a friend are pulling out to go to a restraunt and I see an SRT-8 fly by in the opposite direction. I can tell from the way he was taking that turn that he was game, I followed him up to a stop sign. We both turn left and he floors it (this was on a hilly and curvy road). I stay right on his *** and then he lets go. We get on the access road and do a 10 roll. He gets a 2nd honk jump and I slowly pull on him. By about 80 we are side by side and I notice my AC is on!!!! I turn that thing off as fast as I can and by about 100 I have a car and a half on him when he slowly starts creeping in til about 130 when his front fender is side by side with my rear. He breaks and I get the win.

Next up we get on another access road for about a 35ish -40 roll. This is where the video will finish up this story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm_-Q...layer_embedded

I don't know why, but my movie editor crashes when I try to edit the video so just to make it clear the speed never exceded the speed limit and fast looking shots where fast forwarded from actual life speed.

EDIT: that's a charger not challenger.

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Old 05-02-2009 | 09:07 PM
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What else you got in the car? Pulled too easy from a SRT-8 at the 40 honk. Thank you for actually recording it though, I wouldn't have believed you otherwise.
Old 05-02-2009 | 09:12 PM
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I ran a 12.9 at 107 the other night. That's what C32's with my set up run. I've got some exhaust mods like deleted resonater and secondary cats and highflow primary cats, but that showed a loss of 1hp and gain of 3 tq on the dyno. Which probably had more to do with human error than any gains or real losses.
Old 05-02-2009 | 11:24 PM
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Old 05-03-2009 | 12:14 AM
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What else you got in the car? Pulled too easy from a SRT-8 at the 40 honk. Thank you for actually recording it though, I wouldn't have believed you otherwise.
+1.

I had my doubts initially when reading your post. Great way to back it up. And nice kill.
Old 05-03-2009 | 12:35 AM
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Ahh it has been a while since I posted a kill. Too many problems with the car in the past 8 months to write anything decent. But today was a good hunt for the old AMG.

Me and a friend are pulling out to go to a restraunt and I see an SRT-8 fly by in the opposite direction. I can tell from the way he was taking that turn that he was game, I followed him up to a stop sign. We both turn left and he floors it (this was on a hilly and curvy road). I stay right on his *** and then he lets go. We get on the access road and do a 10 roll. He gets a 2nd honk jump and I slowly pull on him. By about 80 we are side by side and I notice my AC is on!!!! I turn that thing off as fast as I can and by about 100 I have a car and a half on him when he slowly starts creeping in til about 130 when his front fender is side by side with my rear. He breaks and I get the win.

Next up we get on another access road for about a 35ish -40 roll. This is where the video will finish up this story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm_-Q...layer_embedded

I don't know why, but my movie editor crashes when I try to edit the video so just to make it clear the speed never exceded the speed limit and fast looking shots where fast forwarded from actual life speed.

EDIT: that's a charger not challenger.
Nice kill! I thought the Challenger srt-8 were quicker.
Old 05-03-2009 | 02:37 PM
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Old 05-03-2009 | 03:52 PM
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Old 05-03-2009 | 10:37 PM
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Old 05-03-2009 | 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Jons95c36amg
Nice kill! I thought the Challenger srt-8 were quicker.



It's a 4200lb coupe that is dissappointingly slow.............they run 14's(stock) out here in vegas. My Charger SRT-8 ran 13.5 bone stock at LVMS in comparisson and weighed in at 4450lbs with me and a 1/2 tank of gas and a 3000+ft. DA.
Old 05-04-2009 | 11:21 AM
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Nicely done mate! He knew that from a dig that heavy arsed boat-anchor would be dead meat, lol. What is your state of tune? I am curious as my cuz has an SRT-8 charger and I have only the C3P pulley and intake, no ecu tune or other changes. I would love to bust him when I go home, lol.

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P.S. to the Mopar driver for showing some class. A smile and a wave after getting smoked by a V6, lol

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Old 05-06-2009 | 04:32 PM
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It's a 4200lb coupe that is dissappointingly slow.............they run 14's(stock) out here in vegas. My Charger SRT-8 ran 13.5 bone stock at LVMS in comparisson and weighed in at 4450lbs with me and a 1/2 tank of gas and a 3000+ft. DA.
SRT-8 Jeeps are all over YouTube smoking C63's. Thought for sure the SRT-8 sedans would be much faster than an SUV.
Old 05-06-2009 | 08:02 PM
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SRT-8 Jeeps are all over YouTube smoking C63's. Thought for sure the SRT-8 sedans would be much faster than an SUV.
The sedan SRT8 vs Jeep SRT8 is explained by the AWD grip advtge from the Jeep on dig runs...also no way is a Jeep SRT8 outgunning a C63 unless it's heavily modded or it's from a dig-100....the vids you speak of are either those scenarios or fake/setups...

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Old 05-06-2009 | 08:48 PM
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The sedan SRT8 vs Jeep SRT8 is explained by the AWD grip advtge from the Jeep on dig runs...also no way is a Jeep SRT8 outgunning a C63 unless it's heavily modded or it's from a dig-100....the vids you speak of are either those scenarios or fake/setups...

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Old 05-06-2009 | 08:53 PM
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Old 05-06-2009 | 08:55 PM
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The sedan SRT8 vs Jeep SRT8 is explained by the AWD grip advtge from the Jeep on dig runs...also no way is a Jeep SRT8 outgunning a C63 unless it's heavily modded or it's from a dig-100....the vids you speak of are either those scenarios or fake/setups...

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Exactly, the Jeep SRT-8 is a beast from 0-60mph but after that the drag from the AWD and the weight/aerodynamics of the SUV kick in and start slowing it down. All the other SRT-8's(except Challenger) will walk on by a Jeep by the end of the 1/4 mile............all vehicles being stock and at the same track on the same day.
Old 05-07-2009 | 10:01 AM
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Good to know. Buddy's dad has one and he's always threatening me with a "door blowing off" session. My C55 is far from a C63, but thinking I may give him more of a run than he'd expect.
Old 05-07-2009 | 01:10 PM
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Hmmmm, Drag Times posts 1/4 mi ET's for stock Jeep SRT8's ranging from 12.95 to 13.21 all at about 104 mph. That is not too shabby for a heavy SUV. They only have one stock time for C63 at 12.81 ET @ 113 mph. Still those times are close enough to come down to who cuts the best light.

My guess is that in a stop light drag from a dig 0-60ish the AWD Jeep will kill alot of cars just cause traction is so hard to find on dirty cold pavement with cold tires when you are pounding out 400+ hp. Just my take on it. Clearly on the big end your gonna be walkin on em.

The Jeep numbers are comparable to the Charger SRT8 as well with it posting 12.87 to 13.05 ET's with a bit faster trap speeds. Drag times is not gosple but most of the times are real world and credible all subject to local DA impacts.

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Old 05-07-2009 | 11:14 PM
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Hmmmm, Drag Times posts 1/4 mi ET's for stock Jeep SRT8's ranging from 12.95 to 13.21 all at about 104 mph. That is not too shabby for a heavy SUV. They only have one stock time for C63 at 12.81 ET @ 113 mph. Still those times are close enough to come down to who cuts the best light.

My guess is that in a stop light drag from a dig 0-60ish the AWD Jeep will kill alot of cars just cause traction is so hard to find on dirty cold pavement with cold tires when you are pounding out 400+ hp. Just my take on it. Clearly on the big end your gonna be walkin on em.

The Jeep numbers are comparable to the Charger SRT8 as well with it posting 12.87 to 13.05 ET's with a bit faster trap speeds. Drag times is not gosple but most of the times are real world and credible all subject to local DA impacts.

Irish
SRT8 Jeeps run the 1/4 in 13.2x...the C63 in 12.4x (R&T...not to mention it is "backed" (so to speak) by the power-to weight advantage to the C63). .8 sec is about 8 cars in the 1/4....that ain't so close. Fyi, while DragTimes is point of reference, I'd trust physics backed by repeated/controlled testing as a more repeatable/accurate measure of acceleration? Not to be "Master Of the Obvious", but a 104 mph Jeep trap speed indicates a seriously slower car compared to 115 mph C63 traps. As you & some of the posters have noted, the Jeep is pretty quick to 60 mph (~ 4.5 sec to the C63's 3.9 - but it still loses even this contest), but it would get even pulled harder as speed increases (as you noted).

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Old 05-08-2009 | 08:22 PM
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As I said, Drag Times is not gospel but it is a reflection of the real world with real drivers on real tracks. I agree completly that the more powerful, lighter C63 should win and that the blocky non-aerodynamic Jeep is not as strong on topend. I also said that DA (density altitude) is a factor. Until you compare the two on the same track and on the same day, the variables are too large to do anything but speculate.

However, I do know this, the 3.6 or 3.5 0-60 times is not possible on a dirty street with cold tires. Who does a burnout in a stoplight drag? I don't. That scenerio strongly favors the Jeep for at least a few seconds until the more powerful car can use full power. A second lead off the line turns into close to 150 ft at 100 mph. It does not mean a jeep will beat a C63 but you just better not be sleepin off the line, lol.

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Old 05-08-2009 | 08:27 PM
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I once beat a faster car in a 1/4 mi drag. He turned a 1/10 faster ET and a few mph faster trap speed but because I cut a 3/10ths sec better light, I was 3 car lengths ahead and pulling away on the big end. Funny how something as simple as a 3 tenths second head start makes the faster car appear to be slower. That old relativity thing is kickin in there. If a Jeep can get even a small jump off the line on any car, he will appear to be much stronger on topend than he really is. This is true no matter what two vehicles are racing, lol
Old 05-13-2009 | 02:31 AM
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Old 05-13-2009 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by JG26_Irish
I once beat a faster car in a 1/4 mi drag. He turned a 1/10 faster ET and a few mph faster trap speed but because I cut a 3/10ths sec better light, I was 3 car lengths ahead and pulling away on the big end. Funny how something as simple as a 3 tenths second head start makes the faster car appear to be slower. That old relativity thing is kickin in there. If a Jeep can get even a small jump off the line on any car, he will appear to be much stronger on topend than he really is. This is true no matter what two vehicles are racing, lol
Too true, but only if the two cars are "sort of" in the same league. When I first took my C32 to the drags, I was lined up against a gutted, purple 1998 Camaro which ran somewhere in the 9 second range. Somehow, I got the jump out of the hole. For about two seconds, I was thinking that my car was the shiz and was invincible when I saw this grape-colored streak go by my driver window like I was standing still!

Your experience was my experience when I ran my C32 against my buddy in two different Gallardos on the highway (one Spider and one Superleggera). When he gave me the jump, it was very hard for him to catch and pass me, especially in the Spider. However, with an equal start, he would pull me steadily-but-slowly in the Spider (we never did an equal start with the Super).
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Would the OP please repost the link to the video? I wanted to show it to somebody but cannot get the link to work.

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