I'm not a fan of the feel of Caddie sedans. Seems to put out good numbers so I'm sure for some it will be a welcome addition to the marketplace.

 

GM's stock is at $3.40 & the entire company's market cap is $2B (there are individuals that could buy GM with CASH - not that anyone would as the firm is a mismanaged mess). Sooo, maybe they will still be in business next year when you buy (or at least the plant that builds the Caddys has not been closed for asset dispositioning for creditors).

If GM were a hospital patient; it would be someone inflicted with terminal pancreatic cancer being treated by chiropractors at a hospital funded by neighborhood beggers. It ain't lookin' good for GM right now...and good luck with Warranty service if you do get the car & the company has been sold off and/or liquidated for creditors.

-Matt

 

To follow on from the above post, with such a complicated car you're going to want/need dealer support. No such worries for those of us in the domestic pickup market, can fix those myself.

 

HA HA HA. Ok lets start here. #1 That car comes from a company that needs a BAILOUT! #2 Its American and that means the interior is made from melted down action men. #3 E55 AMG with a little bit of upgrades could beat that car. You can pick up a w210 E55 low miles for around $15,000 #4 Its not good looking by anymeans and can easily be mistaken for an average CTS. AND #5. Cadillac has put out what? One performance car in its lifetime. Mercedes has a whole section of performance with a rich history. We call it ///AMG

 

Dont get me wrong here I love the Corvette Z06, Dodge Viper, CameroZ28, Firebird, Mustang and the old Muscle car of the 60's,70's. Even the caddy Deville. But unfortualty those days are gone. American cars are no where near what they use to be. And its too bad beacuse I miss the days of the muscle cars. With GM in the dump right now a CTS-V with 400bhp is the last type of car they should be building right now. They should be trying to figure out a way to outsmart their Japanease rivals over at Honda and Toyota.

 

I beat a stock CTS-V the OP is talking about, he was running 13.9-14 all night stock. I was stock too with my C32.

 

I can't believe how old this thread is.

 

Oh, this old thread again?

 

When most people lie they try to at least make it believable. Your old clunker C32 wouldn't stand a chance, even if he raced you with the parking brake on.

 

Who cares about the maker? Outside the US, mercedes is a company that's known for taxi cabs and delivery trucks.....so what? they still make a few decent cars....

 

Funnier still, my post in Feb of 2004 garnered the same complaint in March of 2004 ...

 

Well considering their stock is $3.38 and it was down .11 cents today I dont see too many more of the CTS-V being produced. Unless the Gov. gives them more money.

 

Old clunker C32? The C32 has not been around that long. I belive it was like 2002. Thats not old by anymeans. The CTS-V is only a couple years newer.

 

+100000 It attracts panties like Mick Jagger in his hay day!

Can't talk now Stiggs, I have a meeting with the Bobs..


G. I. JOE!!!!!

 

why bashing the benz? Your a fanatic MB member

 

This is an Old, Old thread, lol. Puttin the Benzes to shame with them CTS-V's?? I kinda doubt that, lol. I will say that the newest CTS-V with the detuned supercharged vette engine is the only Caddy that I would like to try out. Sort of a Vette for old farts whose butt no longer will fit in a Corvette. Still even the CTS-V is heavier and lower in power than the vette.

Last fall, I was at the strip with some friends. They brought along: A Corvette ZR1 (600hp), a E55 AMG with a asp pulley, and ecu tune and a Porsche 911 turbo (one of the newer ones with AWD). Posted times were:

2009 Corvette ZR1 - 12.24 ET @ 125 mph (traction limited)
E55 AMG - 11.05 ET @ 124.9 mph
911 TT - 10.99 @ 130mph

Oh and my bone stock C32 in need of a tuneup ran 13.5 ET @ 103mph busting a 1990's Z28 and a 1998 Mustang Cobra in the process. Since then I have both tuned up the car and added a C3P intake which combined dropped the 0-60 time to 4.5 sec as long as it had enough traction to hook up. Not sure about 1/4 times but I expect it is a couple tenths or more faster now. We'll see in the spring.

Sure the E55 was not stock and sure the actual real times don't match the magazines on a perfect day at sea level but they all were ran at the same day on the same track and had we had a CTS-V on hand to play with, I am pretty certain that one of the boyz woulda busted it, lol. The real disappointment was the new Vette. The driver was a current ARCA driver who has been a NASCAR regional champ, so he knows how to drive at least a little. He was blowing the tires away in 3rd at the 1/8th mile pole. So any hopes of hooking up in a street race will be short lived. Truth is the heavier Spec V might even be faster in the real world but I don't know too many AMG drivers who will be afraid of it, let alone put to shame.

Irish

nd 0-60 in 4.5 to 5.1 sec depending on traction.

 

Yeah thats a poor performance from the ZR-1....shoulda been more like 11.2 and 130~131

 

I agree, the vette should have been faster. It is light and has the power. The altitude density that day was good at -280 ft due to the cooler temps but I think that those same cooler temps were playing havoc with traction. The E55 had stickys on the back and the Porsche was 4wd so they were hooking OK. The vette looked down right scary. I spoke with the driver and he said it was fun but he was really struggling to use all the power in the lower gears. We all think that with better traction it would be a shoo-in to get into the 11's. The E55 set a all time record for non-NOS 1/4 mi times in a E55, also driven by a professional driver. So it is not typical of what a E55 will trap.

Still Car and Driver tested the new CTS-V with the supercharged engine to run a 0-60 of 4.3 sec and a 1/4 mi ET of 12.6 @ 116 which is very comparable to a E55 but far from puts it to shame. The same Car and Driver testers took out the 2008 C63 and put down a 0-60 time of 3.9 sec and 1/4 mi ET of 12.3 @ 116 mph, so yeah it is true the the new Caddy can run with the big dogs in a straight line. That is a long way from putting them on the porch. The extra pork on the caddy will not serve it well in stopping or cornering and it will still be a GM which means the level of fit, finish and interior appointments may not be up to par with the best of the best. I'll reserve judgement on that til I can try one out. Their claimed Nurburgring lap of 7:59 is impressive. But put that in perspective:

CLK-63 - 8:02
BMW M3 E92 - 8:05
Audi R8 - 8:04
C63 - 8:13
C55 - 8:22
C32 - 8:37

All run on different days with different weather and different drivers so on any given day with the exception of maybe the last two on the list you would be able to toss a blanket over most of them. Shoot, the Chevy Cobalt SS turbo ran an 8:23. Does that make it a world class automobile? I doubt it but is does say that it is a bloody quick little econobox, lol. Still, I say kudos to GM for making a real competitor and for offering a 6 spd manual trans option. That is something I wish I could get in the AMG. Based on what I am hearing the caddy is selling for $59-66k which is in the same ballpark as a C63 AMG. Hmmm, let me see, I can get a Cadillac or an AMG, which one should I choose? Competition does improve the breed. I look for that Nurburgring record to fall within a year or two. BMW or AMG will own it.

 

It sounds good. But what happens in 5 years when it falls apart

 

I'd rather keep my 05 Mitsubishi EVO than getting one of 'em Caddy's, which puts out 30 less hp at the crank but quite a lot of pounds lighter, oh, and Japanese reliability.

In all seriousness, if I were in the market for a mid 60s high performance compact sedan, I would buy a C63, but since my wife already has one, I will just settle with an M3 sedan.

 

Karl Benz and Gutlieb Daimler are probabbly looking down at us and saying "what a bunch of losers"...

 

Great car but with GM in the 'toilet,' I don't know how long GM can sustain carrying the model in subsequent years.

 

you're right....the German engineers at Mercedes today lack talent....every other manufacturer can out do them.

 

Lame....do you do anything here other than post juvenile crap and flamebait?

 

yep truth...unlike most fools here who are blinded by the 3 point star. Some people think MB's are high class for some reason. Yes, some are costly in the US, but for most of the world mercedes' are taxi cabs and delivery trucks....