clkal

this past weekend i drove up to reno . On the return trip home, the first 110 miles is all mountain driving..... there was a brand new WRX that wanted to race me, so I was weaving in and out of traffic. He stayed with me prett much the whole time due to the fact that there was no room to pull on him anywhere. When we past all the slow traffic after about 20 minutes and it was just me and him, I started taking the turns at 90-100 MPH....the Subaru was still following me and i was getting ticked off so I increased my speed to 100-110 on the turns and 130 on the straight-aways.....after 5 minutes the WRX was nowhere to be seen!

Thericker

That WRX should blow you away (unless your CLK is moded?) it's lighter. more manuverable and alot faster, stock 430 6.1 sec. 0-60, Car & Driver clocked WRX at 5.4 sec 0-60. I know you wern't racing from a stop light but the WRX should still kill a stock 430, don't get me wrong I'm not a fan of the WRX just stating thte obvious facts...

DslBnz

Screw 0-60, my friend.

Torque will blow ANYONE's doors off. And the 430 has plenty of it.

The WRX may be blistering off the line. But they wind out, and from what I've heard, get lackluster in the top end(unless modified).

Thericker

The WRX is basicaly a rally car it should tear the moutain driving up! I do agree the Mercedes has great top end but, from what I saw on Car & Driver that little WRX pulls in all gears, besides being an ugly little pig of a car it tore the track up.... I just don't think the WRX driver was very skilled, or not really taking the race seriously ..

pcviewer

The WRX is quick up to about 70MPH, but aftwards, the pull is quite lacking. It makes sense that most of the quick acceleration is at the lower speeds since it is a rally car. After 70MPH, that car is pretty slow. This car has a mid 5 sec 0-60, but its quarter mile is mid 14's at ~95MPH!

As for the driver error, that is very possible. When shifting to the next gear, it must be above 4-5k RPM (3rd gear @7000RPM --> 4th @ a min of 4-5k RPM)(not sure... never drove the car but my brother gave me his input on acceleration and RPM when turbo lag could be avoided) or else you would feel the tremendous turbo lag. Only way to achieve good acceleration is to either be a pro driver or ride the clutch.

MadC32

Exactly.. that's how you blow away the Evo's

psamson

Agree with pcviewer. I had a WRX previously and if stock, its not a rocket past 70mph and the stock tires sucks... Still very quick out of the blocks (AWD) and very interesting car to drive. If modded, it can be a real blast too!!

Good kill anyway.

Jon200

Standard rexies die out after 120km/h. Their stock turbo is kind of small and their AWD system is really heavy with massive drivetrain lost. Given a few mods, they're fun cars to drive.

Nice kill story btw, you should chop one next time from a rolling

349 BHP

hmm? what if it wasn't even STI?

C klass 320

i have had 2 encounters with these wrx's and they are nothing on highway punched in third from 70 to 115 i leave them the higher the speed the more behind they are and i have a 320 4matic a 430 will abuse that car. granted off the line you can rev up to 4000 and drop the clutch and off you go doing your mid 14 quarter but if there not real race car drivers and dont rev up before downshifting on the highway they have no edge.... there only fast off the line because of there traction... whats the point of having a mid 14 sec car if on the highway performs like a 16 second car? i would mod it

bmms8

def the clk would kill it in the straight aways, but you said you were taking turns at over 100 mph? i dont know what a turn means to you, but i dont think any car can take a turn at over 100 mph, esp on a mountain. he would of killed you on the twisties too...

Xpeed

My F-150 has more torque than a clk 430 do you think I cant beat a 430 .

Having lots of torque is good at low rpms. Example a Harley Davidson has about 90 Hp and 90 pounds of torque my bike with half the engine size of a Harley has 130 hp and 50 pounds of torque. A Harley will have more power at low rpm but when I hit my power band at a higher rpm I will rape a Harley.

clkal

i was referring to the "twisties" as you put it. And he didn't kill me on the twisties....I actually pulled on him on the "twisties" as well. The WRX couldn't keep up.

DslBnz

No. You need a good combination of both hp AND torque. It isn't higher rpm, it is shorter gearing that makes you quicker.

A Harley probably has a high torque peak, but like a Cummins diesel, it drops into nothingness after the peak while your bike is gaining higher torque and higher peak hp at the upper revs. The only time hp takes effect in thrust, is when you get into pretty high speeds(not enough hp, you're car will level out).

I seriously doubt an F150 truck has aerodynamics of 0.29 like the 210, or weighs as little as a 430, too(about 3600 - 3700 lbs).

Wait...come to think of it. On a bike, who needs torque? They are so light anyways, hp should be the only concern. Same idea behind bikes as the ideals for an F1 racer.

seealkay

the wrx driver couldn't drive period. torque is what u use in lower rpm. and off the line, hp is what accerate you. f1 car have 50f-lb of torque 900hp. try to rape one of those with your 430. oh ya they are 3L v10 by the way. that's why f1 cars are so hard to take off the line. try to leave the pit without spinning your tires.

DslBnz

That's why the E320 CDI is at the mercy of its 6 cylinder brethren E320 gasser at higher speeds. It doesn't have the horsepower. At higher speeds, it will get passed as if it were stopped.:o

And the differential gearing is WHAT multiplies torque by different factors. I bet F1 racers rev up to 20K rpms and have extremely short gears to turn that 50 ft/lb's of torque into something super massive.