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Old Apr 18, 2006 | 06:11 PM
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Ill have them on in a few days... Im at metal on metal braking on the rears

the pads are Porterfield C4S pads and the rotors are cadmium coated custom drilled zimmerman rotors
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Old Apr 18, 2006 | 06:40 PM
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Nice!! I heard those brakes need replacement more often, though. I could be wrong. Anyway, post after you get those bad boys on and give em a test run.
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 12:12 AM
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Hi, 55fanatic, Where did you get them and how much does it cost? I want to get Porterfield R4S or Hawk HPS for my ml350 when I do the brakes in about 7k miles. Thanks.
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 12:40 AM
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I purchased the brake pads I believe off of formymercedes.com they were 260 shipped? This will be my first experience with the new pads as well as the zimmerman rotors. Look early to mid week, next week as I will have a full report on the combination.
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 08:10 AM
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Do the front rotors have curve vanes or is it just the traditional straight vanes?

Curve vanes:


Straight vanes:
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 11:04 AM
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they have Curved vanes... why should the cross drilled have straight vaines? The rears have no vains as they are a solid rotor
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 11:43 AM
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they have Curved vanes... why should the cross drilled have straight vaines? The rears have no vains as they are a solid rotor
thanks... some rotors do actually have cross drilled on non curved vane rotors and to me, it's pointless to have unless your going for looks. Curved vanes do have a purpose and it's to extract heat/cooling the rotor to prolong it's life and from warpage.
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 01:11 PM
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I knew the vanes... "chanell" cold air in to the rotor to cool but what I dont understand and maybe you can explain this, why wouldnt the drill patterns go along the same path
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 02:07 PM
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I think the vanes/channels on that diagram are all screwed up the left is for the right and vice verse. The direction of the slots/vanes are suppose to be leading out not in.

And remember Pete there is a 500 mile break in period that you should strictly adhere too. To extended the life of you pads and rotors and to prevent squealing!!! Be very light and gentle no hard stops!
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 02:24 PM
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yeah while that may be true... Im gonna give them hell once warmed up in order to bed those pads correctly... Anyone know the correct way to do it? its like 30-0 40-0 50-0 60-0 50-0 40-0 30-0?
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 55fanatic
why wouldnt the drill patterns go along the same path
because the drill patterns has no correlation, functionality wise compared to the cooling vanes. The drills or slots is there to extract any trapped brake dust particle buildup and allows gas from the heat to escape that is generated between the pads and on the surface of the rotor. This can create brake fade if this buildup existed. I'm actually speaking from past experience at the racetrack and it's not fun when you start feeling brake fade. But who tracks the ML55 anyways but at least it's good to have it specially when towing. So overall, it's all about manufacturer preference as to which pattern the drills are pointing to.

Example is the PF 2 piece floating rotors I bought for my old Evo 8. The dimple slots follow the vanes pattern. Please ignore the hand. It's not meant for anyone in this forum.






and the one I showed is a Stoptech rotor which have the pattern of the slots goes in the opposite.



I would've chosen slotted or dimpled over cross drilled if I was shopping around for rotors due to crack stress that cross drilled have created in the long run. But since we all drive our MLs on the street and will never see the track, majority of us will be fine in this case.

and also, FWIW, cooling vanes are to extract heat out of the rotor, not feeding cold air into the rotor. You can most certainly take advantage of this specially on a race car by putting in cold air ducts pointing directly to the caliper.


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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 02:41 PM
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Great post!!!

I will also direct you towards this post here that I have made...

https://mbworld.org/forums/off-topic/145192-propper-steps-bedding-brake-pads.html
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Anyone know the correct way to do it? its like 30-0 40-0 50-0 60-0 50-0 40-0 30-0?
Here it is copy and pasted from Racingbrake.
After installing new brake pads, make 6 to 10 stops from approximately 30-35 mph applying moderate pressure.

Make an additional 2 to 3 hard stops from approximately 40 to 45 mph.

DO NOT DRAG BRAKES!

Allow 15 minutes for brake system to cool down.

After step 4 your new brake pads are ready for use.

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http://www.racingbrake.com/main/tech...0Street%20Pads

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