When ML will get the new 5.0 liter 388 hp engine?
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Anyone knows?
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Since two new engines were already announced for 2006, the ML 63 AMG and the ML 320 CDI Turbodiesel, I'd guess the two new V8s will be introduced lateron, probably in the fall of 2007.
Here's what I found on JESMB. They have good connections to MB insiders!
27.10.05 M273 ab Herbst 07 in ML & R Im Herbst 2007 erhält die R- und M-Klasse den neuen V8-Benziner M273 E 55 mit 388 PS und 530 NM. Aktuell wird er nur im neuen S 500 verbaut. Dieser wird in den USA wegen seinem 5,5 Liter großen V8 als S 550 verkauft.
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27.10.05 M273 ab Herbst 07 in ML & R Im Herbst 2007 erhält die R- und M-Klasse den neuen V8-Benziner M273 E 55 mit 388 PS und 530 NM. Aktuell wird er nur im neuen S 500 verbaut. Dieser wird in den USA wegen seinem 5,5 Liter großen V8 als S 550 verkauft.
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BTW, MB should give us another pointer at the Detroit Auto Show in January when the new GL-Class is introduced and whether it will be introduced with the present 302 hp 5.0 liter M113 E50 V8 or the new 382 hp 5.5 liter M273 E55 V8.
My guess is on the M113.
My guess is on the M113.
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Hi, this might answer your question. I found a site http://www.whnet.com/4x4/w164.html and there you can see almost evey possible model of the W164 M-Class. Hope this would help. 
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Hi, this might answer your question. I found a site http://www.whnet.com/4x4/w164.html and there you can see almost evey possible model of the W164 M-Class. Hope this would help.
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hey wolfgang, do you know when the ML63 is going to be in showrooms in US? it says Spring 2006 but i need to know month if possible b/c my wife's X5 will be up in March 2006 and i need new SUV. TIA.
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Originally Posted by jtc55
hey wolfgang, do you know when the ML63 is going to be in showrooms in US? it says Spring 2006 but i need to know month if possible b/c my wife's X5 will be up in March 2006 and i need new SUV. TIA.
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so do you think the ML320 CDI will be out by january? or even early December?
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The 5.0 will be used until they run out of them If they sell enough cars with the 5.0, then the 5.5 will be added as an '06 option, if not then we wait until '07. Same goes for the E-Class. I assume the GL will launch with the 5.5, since all of the "prototypes" have it.
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Thanks Jangy. 
I'm not really sure how your car labelling system works in the US. The current ML's are 06's and the ones that will come out towards the end of the year will be 07's, meaning the M should have the new engine sometime this year?
I can't see MB waiting until october/september 2007 to stick the new 5.5 in as JES MB suggests.
I'm not really sure how your car labelling system works in the US. The current ML's are 06's and the ones that will come out towards the end of the year will be 07's, meaning the M should have the new engine sometime this year?
I can't see MB waiting until october/september 2007 to stick the new 5.5 in as JES MB suggests.
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Originally Posted by jangy
The 5.0 will be used until they run out of them If they sell enough cars with the 5.0, then the 5.5 will be added as an '06 option, if not then we wait until '07. Same goes for the E-Class. I assume the GL will launch with the 5.5, since all of the "prototypes" have it.
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Good try Greg, but the thing is the lead time for the parts that go into the motors, etc. Heck, even the AMG motors are NOT made on demand. As any manufacturer knows, producing based on demands and not projections will have you behind every wave. MB has always staggered the release of new bodies and new engines. Just how they market. I don't mean to be a *****, but it actually does have everything to do with when the 5.0 parts run out and not when the 5.5 is ramped up. MB will switch to the "new" engine when the 5.0s happen to "run out" , even if it is during the middle of the model year. Actually, this is how most German cars have been. That's where the half year model (i.e. 2005 1/2) nomenclature came in. It was one way to keep sales strong on the backside of a model launch. Something else to keep in mind is that the 302hp 5.0 will actually be replaced by the 4.5L V8 that will be released in '07. Which engines they choose to place into the ML / R / GL will be marketing driven and not really based on having enough of one or the ability to ramp up another.
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I wouldn't expect them in the next year. they will need to filter down through the S, E, CL, etc. all the way down to our C/ML/R series. I am hoping that they market the new GL with them to separate it from the C/ML/R series, but that does not seem to be the case from what pricing and statements I've read. It seems that the GL will simply be a larger ML, without too much of a price difference. It is not expected to lead the class (versus the other larger SUVs), but rather steal some customers so it will need to be "cheap".
We'll see.
We'll see.
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Originally Posted by jangy
MB has always staggered the release of new bodies and new engines. Just how they market. ... Something else to keep in mind is that the 302hp 5.0 will actually be replaced by the 4.5L V8 that will be released in '07. Which engines they choose to place into the ML / R / GL will be marketing driven and not really based on having enough of one or the ability to ramp up another.
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Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
Since the GL is being released with the 4.6 (specs are now on MBUSA: http://www.mbusa.com/models/future/glclass/specs.do ) this Spring, it would seem to make sense the ML will switch to it at the same time, doesn't it? BTW, the specs show it to have 335 hp at 6,000 and 339 lb ft from 2,700-5,000.
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Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
Since the GL is being released with the 4.6 (specs are now on MBUSA: http://www.mbusa.com/models/future/glclass/specs.do ) this Spring, it would seem to make sense the ML will switch to it at the same time, doesn't it? BTW, the specs show it to have 335 hp at 6,000 and 339 lb ft from 2,700-5,000.
my bad, I said 4.5. Anyhow, I thought we were talking about the 5.5?
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Originally Posted by jangy
my bad, I said 4.5. Anyhow, I thought we were talking about the 5.5?
As far as nomenclature, M-B labels the GL with the 4.6 as a 450, so that is understandably confusing. They've used "60" before (e.g. SL560) so I'm not sure why, other than to separate it more from the GL550.
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I was hoping that the 5.5 would be standard on the GL and optional on the ML, but i think both will share similar features and options, just different configurations (ala R and ML)
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The S-Class intro. section lists the 5.5 at 382 hp @ 6,000 rpm and 391 ft lb @ 3,000. Should be a good performer. 0-60 for the 4,465 lb S550 is listed at 5.4 sec.
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Man, i wish the 5.5 was an option on the ML or the GL. It would make the difference on which car i would get. The S is a little more than I wanna pay now, so i will wait on that. But, i still need something to replace the lemonade of an ML500 that I got.
