Making a weird noise on startup. Please help!
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From: lebanon
mazda mx5
guys i have a e200 cgi in my shop it has that rattling sound coming from the timing chain !! i just wanted to ask if anyone here had a white smoke coming out from the exhaust accompanied with the rattling at the start up , and engine codes saying the exhaust camshaft is deviating from the crankshaft .... after a few seconds no more sound and no more smoke , anyone seen this before ?
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'24 GLB250. Previously '23 GLB250 '17 GLS500 '14 C250 '13 ML500 '12 C250 '08 ML500 '07 E500 '03 A160
If you read through mb techman's document you'll see it clearly states the M278 engine is affected by this issue as well, so that's your 550 model and my 500. Get in touch with your dealer while you're still under warranty!
Cheers .....
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2013 ML550
Yes, me! Mine is going in tomorrow for the 2nd time. Last time they had it for over 2 weeks, only to then tell me it's normal. Due to this forum and thread I knew that wasn't right so I showed them SuPER__S's You tube videos, and mb techman's PDF document titled 'Rattling noise after engine start' both from earlier in this thread and now they're going to have another go at it.
If you read through mb techman's document you'll see it clearly states the M278 engine is affected by this issue as well, so that's your 550 model and my 500. Get in touch with your dealer while you're still under warranty!
Cheers .....
If you read through mb techman's document you'll see it clearly states the M278 engine is affected by this issue as well, so that's your 550 model and my 500. Get in touch with your dealer while you're still under warranty!
Cheers .....
Roger, will do and thanks.
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S550, SRX, ML550
I plan to take a printout of all the great advice in this thread and some video clips (that I still have to record) of the startup noise to my SA when she goes in for service.
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From: Melbourne, Australia
'24 GLB250. Previously '23 GLB250 '17 GLS500 '14 C250 '13 ML500 '12 C250 '08 ML500 '07 E500 '03 A160
Update from Australia on my ML500.
My car has been at the dealer since Monday. I have just received a call from my service advisor and fortunately this time they've acknowledged that there is a problem and they're going to fix it under warranty. This is after I printed mb techman's document and gave it to them, and also after they've previously had it for 2 weeks to only then tell me the rattling sound is normal.
The service advisor told me they have to pull the engine out?? Has anyone else's engine been removed to fix this problem? It's also going to take around 2 weeks as some parts have to be sourced from Singapore, and they could take a week to arrive.
I've got a loan car so it's not a huge issue, I just hope they fix it properly this time.
On the plus side I've asked them if I can go in and observe the process from time to time, and see what my car looks like while it's pulled to bits. If I can I'll snap some pics and share with you all.
Safe driving folks ...
My car has been at the dealer since Monday. I have just received a call from my service advisor and fortunately this time they've acknowledged that there is a problem and they're going to fix it under warranty. This is after I printed mb techman's document and gave it to them, and also after they've previously had it for 2 weeks to only then tell me the rattling sound is normal.
The service advisor told me they have to pull the engine out?? Has anyone else's engine been removed to fix this problem? It's also going to take around 2 weeks as some parts have to be sourced from Singapore, and they could take a week to arrive.
I've got a loan car so it's not a huge issue, I just hope they fix it properly this time.
On the plus side I've asked them if I can go in and observe the process from time to time, and see what my car looks like while it's pulled to bits. If I can I'll snap some pics and share with you all.
Safe driving folks ...
Last edited by Benz Werd; Sep 24, 2013 at 11:34 PM.
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Super s, I suspect your "tech guy" is one of an unusual breed who knows what a spanner looks like.
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'24 GLB250. Previously '23 GLB250 '17 GLS500 '14 C250 '13 ML500 '12 C250 '08 ML500 '07 E500 '03 A160
My baby is coming home tomorrow. They didn't have to pull out the engine in the end thankfully. Now, let's see if they've fixed it properly!
Here's the only 2 pics I was able to get of the engine while it was slightly pulled apart. Means nothing to me but maybe some of you will enjoy seeing what's under that big black engine cover.
Have a good one!
Here's the only 2 pics I was able to get of the engine while it was slightly pulled apart. Means nothing to me but maybe some of you will enjoy seeing what's under that big black engine cover.
Have a good one!
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2012 ML350
Engine noise on warm startup (2012 ML350)
I had the same marbles-like noise from the engine on warm start up that lasts 2-5 seconds , I read through this forum and identified the problem, it's coming from the secondary timing chain as the chain tensioners lose oil pressure, it doesn't happen on cold starts coz the camshaft setup is different for cold starts and chains are tensioned so they don't bounce as in warm start ups .
I would like to thank (super_s and mbtechmn) for their priceless information provided on this forum, today I had my car fixed at the dealership under warrantee and no more noise, they were impressed the the bulletin I provided them (thanks again to mbtechman) and they said that helped them a lot to fix the issue without delay specially when not every dealer know that issue. The bulletin available in this forum just look the the threads below.
I would like to thank (super_s and mbtechmn) for their priceless information provided on this forum, today I had my car fixed at the dealership under warrantee and no more noise, they were impressed the the bulletin I provided them (thanks again to mbtechman) and they said that helped them a lot to fix the issue without delay specially when not every dealer know that issue. The bulletin available in this forum just look the the threads below.
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From: Melbourne, Australia
'24 GLB250. Previously '23 GLB250 '17 GLS500 '14 C250 '13 ML500 '12 C250 '08 ML500 '07 E500 '03 A160
Thanks for your feedback. Yes, that bulletin was very helpful, thanks again guys.
Mine's been fine since they fixed it, it's been over 2 months now.
Sitting just on 15,000kms and it seems to be just getting better & better, everything is bedding in nicely and the engine is running smooth as silk.
Seasons Greetings to everyone
Mine's been fine since they fixed it, it's been over 2 months now.
Sitting just on 15,000kms and it seems to be just getting better & better, everything is bedding in nicely and the engine is running smooth as silk.
Seasons Greetings to everyone
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2014 Black ML350 4Matic
I just wanted to comment that this thread has been very helpful. I took delivery of ML350 about 3 weeks ago and it has 220 miles on it now. When I took the car I felt like the engine didn't sound normal and abnormally loud during start-up, it just didn't sound like an engine of a luxury car should. I thought it was just because it was new and would go away after a bit. It was confirmed today by my SA that the timing chains and belt tensioner need to be replaced. Maybe someone can enlighten me on how this is still happening on brand new cars. Since there is a bulletin and it appears Mercedes is now aware of the issue why hasn't it been corrected already on the assembly line? In the meantime I'm having fun running around in a E350 sport until I get my ML back. Hopefully this noise doesn't come back.
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Hello mb_techman thanks for replying. I kind of figured that they didn't get it right because a day later the cold start up noise came back and is still there. Even though I'm in Queens I didn't purchase the car here I actually bought it from Mercedes of Massapequa. The following is exactly what was written on the invoice work order and what was done.
"Confirmed customer complaint, found that on first initial start up rattling noise is present. Found that the timing chain tensioners are bleeding down oil pressure causing not enough pressure on the timing chain. Vehicle needs both left and right timing chain tensioners. Removed vehicles intake manifold, was then able to remove both left and right timing covers from cylinder heads. Set engine at top dead center. Was then able to remove both left and right timing chain tensioners. Reinstalled all parts back into vehicle. Started vehicle several times and vehicle is not rattle at this time. Vehicle is working to spec at this time." The parts that were listed as replaced are the following:
a)qty.1 276-050-25-00 Chain Tensioner
b)qty. 1 276-050-26-00 Chain Tensioner
c)qty. 16 000000-006365 Hexalobular bolt
d)qty. 1 276-230-00-56 Vacuum Line
I haven't take it back due to the long drive and I figured I'd ask them to look at it again during my Service A or if anything else comes up. I've thought of taking it to Helms Brothers or another dealership but I've heard stories the some dealerships aren't usually very helpful if you didn't buy the car from them.
"Confirmed customer complaint, found that on first initial start up rattling noise is present. Found that the timing chain tensioners are bleeding down oil pressure causing not enough pressure on the timing chain. Vehicle needs both left and right timing chain tensioners. Removed vehicles intake manifold, was then able to remove both left and right timing covers from cylinder heads. Set engine at top dead center. Was then able to remove both left and right timing chain tensioners. Reinstalled all parts back into vehicle. Started vehicle several times and vehicle is not rattle at this time. Vehicle is working to spec at this time." The parts that were listed as replaced are the following:
a)qty.1 276-050-25-00 Chain Tensioner
b)qty. 1 276-050-26-00 Chain Tensioner
c)qty. 16 000000-006365 Hexalobular bolt
d)qty. 1 276-230-00-56 Vacuum Line
I haven't take it back due to the long drive and I figured I'd ask them to look at it again during my Service A or if anything else comes up. I've thought of taking it to Helms Brothers or another dealership but I've heard stories the some dealerships aren't usually very helpful if you didn't buy the car from them.
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From: Melbourne, Australia
'24 GLB250. Previously '23 GLB250 '17 GLS500 '14 C250 '13 ML500 '12 C250 '08 ML500 '07 E500 '03 A160
I believe it's only petrol engines affected by this issue, but I'm not 100% sure, I've just based that on the other members who have spoken up on this thread. If I've counted right there's 7 ML350s, 1 C300, an E200 CGI and 3 ML550/500s including mine - all petrol engines, no mention from anyone with a diesel.
It's a strange issue, as it's intermittent. Mine was only doing it after driving for enough time for the engine to get to full operating temperature, then I had to shut it down for at least 10-15 minutes, restart it then the noise would happen and gradually fade out over the next 4-5 seconds. I could never tell if it was doing it on cold start up as the automatic choke revs the engine quite highly and it's too loud to hear anything else.
Mine is still fine. I've done 18,000kms now and it's been over 4 months since they fixed it. Again, thanks to SuPER__S for starting this thread and posting his You Tube video as I was able to show this to my dealer, and also to mb techman for posting the service bulletin from MBUSA which in the end was used to tell my dealer how to fix my car as they'd already looked at it and told me everything was normal.
Cheers folks ...
It's a strange issue, as it's intermittent. Mine was only doing it after driving for enough time for the engine to get to full operating temperature, then I had to shut it down for at least 10-15 minutes, restart it then the noise would happen and gradually fade out over the next 4-5 seconds. I could never tell if it was doing it on cold start up as the automatic choke revs the engine quite highly and it's too loud to hear anything else.
Mine is still fine. I've done 18,000kms now and it's been over 4 months since they fixed it. Again, thanks to SuPER__S for starting this thread and posting his You Tube video as I was able to show this to my dealer, and also to mb techman for posting the service bulletin from MBUSA which in the end was used to tell my dealer how to fix my car as they'd already looked at it and told me everything was normal.
Cheers folks ...
Last edited by Benz Werd; Feb 11, 2014 at 11:47 AM.
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