Help a young man shopping for his first MB :)
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2013 ML350 Bluetec, 1966 Ford Mustang Convertible (sold)
Help a young man shopping for his first MB :)
Hi everyone,
I'm Patrick and I'm from Ottawa Ontario. Like the title says, I'm looking for a new car (my sunfire is on his last leg and thinking of selling my 1966 Mustang) and was looking at MB. Shopping for a diesel (because I heard they were more economical). I went to the dealership with my wife and I was in love with the GLK. Went for a test drive and everything was A1...until I saw/tried the backseat... Standing at 6'5 and with a baby, the GLK was now out of the question. We then spotted a used 2012 ML350 Bluetec. Went for a test drive and we both loved it. Plenty of leg room, a bigger interior and well equipped.
Now, there's something that really bugs me...the price tag.
http://certified.mercedes-benz.ca/st...da2eb7ca082419
Here's the link to the car. Now, am I crazy or the asking price is high for a used 2012 with 70k kilometers? Money isn't an issue, but I don't want to get ripped on the price. Is that what CPO ML350 bluetecs go for? Phoned the dealer and asked him what his best price was. He said he was removing 500$ and not budging after that.
What are your thoughts? Should I just stay patient and look somewhere else or is this a good deal? My gut feeling says not in a million years. Sorry if my post seems dumb or pointless, I'm new to the whole "buying/negotiating a MB car" experience.
Thanks for your time and help.
Cordially,
Potrice
I'm Patrick and I'm from Ottawa Ontario. Like the title says, I'm looking for a new car (my sunfire is on his last leg and thinking of selling my 1966 Mustang) and was looking at MB. Shopping for a diesel (because I heard they were more economical). I went to the dealership with my wife and I was in love with the GLK. Went for a test drive and everything was A1...until I saw/tried the backseat... Standing at 6'5 and with a baby, the GLK was now out of the question. We then spotted a used 2012 ML350 Bluetec. Went for a test drive and we both loved it. Plenty of leg room, a bigger interior and well equipped.
Now, there's something that really bugs me...the price tag.
http://certified.mercedes-benz.ca/st...da2eb7ca082419
Here's the link to the car. Now, am I crazy or the asking price is high for a used 2012 with 70k kilometers? Money isn't an issue, but I don't want to get ripped on the price. Is that what CPO ML350 bluetecs go for? Phoned the dealer and asked him what his best price was. He said he was removing 500$ and not budging after that.
What are your thoughts? Should I just stay patient and look somewhere else or is this a good deal? My gut feeling says not in a million years. Sorry if my post seems dumb or pointless, I'm new to the whole "buying/negotiating a MB car" experience.
Thanks for your time and help.
Cordially,
Potrice
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It would seem high to me looking at it compared to U.S. prices. I bought a new 2015 diesel in the summer for about $52,000 on a list price of $61,800. Time for some internet searching.
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2015 ML350 Bluetec
Hi, I'm from Ottawa as well... I did a quick Autotrader Ontario search, narrowed down the kms search from 60>80K, 2012, and find you $44K for your options, probably just a touch high, but not by a lot! I, too, own a new 2015 ML with a Full Load, and MSRP was running just over $80K. Not close to what I paid, just put that in for our US friends.... yes we get 'raped' up here, low dollar and all! I upgraded from a GLK350, as we found it too small for cottage use and winter in Florida travel etc. The ML is a good size, diesel 6cyl is fabulous(you forget when your towing! LOL!) very comfortable with the air suspension. I personally found the Ottawa dealers to be on the high side of the sales dollar, and have bought both MBs out of town for that reason. My son just leased a 2015 C300 and came away with a great deal, Loaded, complete with a Burmiester(few cars come with this) sound system(audio junkie), but had to travel to Whitby, ON to purchase. He stated Dealership was 2nd to none, treated like a king, and was $200 less a month than Audi and Volvo for lesser cars! Apparently up here, MB leases have a fantastic resale value, that kills most other European car lease prices! I'm guessing your 2012 is a lease buy back. Take a good look around, they are a lot of good deals out there, and while you are looking, you'll get to understand the packages, etc. Decide 1st what 'packages' you must have.... because once you purchase, it's prohibitive to upgrade.... I learned that on the GLK... bought a half loaded GLK, and whined for 3 years about not having this or that!
good luck, and a Train to somewhere gets pretty cheap in the overall price!
good luck, and a Train to somewhere gets pretty cheap in the overall price!
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I will continue my online research. I also see some ML250 bluetecs online but are they available in Canada? They get better mileage than the 350 bluetecs. I don't mind sacrificing towing capacity for better fuel economy. I can't seem to find any ml250 online in Canada.
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I just traveled 1600 miles to Fla in a 2014 350 ml Bluetec it cost me $144.50
I traded a GLK 250 also because of the space.My 14 has air ride and it is great. It is far superior to a GLK.
There is a 2012 ML 350 at Peterbough MB with 86 k.It is a certified used Benz Diamond white nicely equipped with new tires , brakes and 120 k warranty. asking $43995
Great people to deal with.They only sell fully gone thru and top notch cars.
Micheal Santos is the owner.
DO NOT deal with Newmarket MB if you are searching for a ML in Toronto, you will get screwed!!!!! They do NOT stand behind their used cars.
I traded a GLK 250 also because of the space.My 14 has air ride and it is great. It is far superior to a GLK.
There is a 2012 ML 350 at Peterbough MB with 86 k.It is a certified used Benz Diamond white nicely equipped with new tires , brakes and 120 k warranty. asking $43995
Great people to deal with.They only sell fully gone thru and top notch cars.
Micheal Santos is the owner.
DO NOT deal with Newmarket MB if you are searching for a ML in Toronto, you will get screwed!!!!! They do NOT stand behind their used cars.
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2013 ML350 Bluetec, 1966 Ford Mustang Convertible (sold)
Thanks for the reply. I just found this one (located in Ottawa also). Cheaper than the first one and with ONLY 39k KM instead of 70k KM. However, it's not from an official MB dealer. But still, isn't the original warranty good up to 80k KM? Should I email this to the MB dealer (the one from my first post) and ask him if he's willing to renegotiate his price instead of giving only -500$ off?
(Official MB dealer)
http://certified.mercedes-benz.ca/st...da2eb7ca082419
VS
(Non-official MB dealer)
http://wwwa.autotrader.ca/a/Mercedes...O&orup=6_15_12
Again, thank you very much guys. All that help and experience are really appreciated.
(Official MB dealer)
http://certified.mercedes-benz.ca/st...da2eb7ca082419
VS
(Non-official MB dealer)
http://wwwa.autotrader.ca/a/Mercedes...O&orup=6_15_12
Again, thank you very much guys. All that help and experience are really appreciated.
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If it seems too good to be true, BEWARE!!!. If every body else wants the same money why is this dealer cheaper ???This car could have been from Quebec , DO NOT BUY a Quebec car , their laws about discloser of history is NIL. Once it goes across the border the history is wiped out, I bought a car from a Corprate MB store and still got screwed I should have checked their comments on the web site all BAD , I would have saved $10.000. I was stupid and it cost me a lot of money..Check the dealer ratings on line before you make a purchase.
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2015 ML350 Bluetec
Some more thoughts for you. Always check what the "in service date' is. That will tell you exactly how much warranty time is left. An example will be 2, 2012 vehicles, 1 was put on the road(in service date) in Oct 2011, the other was put on the road Oct 2012.... obviously the latter has more warranty TIME!
The other problem I would have with your 2 link choices is the non MB not having that extra 2 yr 120K warranty.... To me, and driving an MB, warranty is everything, as the costs outside of warranty, can put a gun to your head real quick! The 6 diesel has had a few turbo seals that die, costing $3K+ to replace. (PITA to do) Not something you want to wear...! I do all my own work, but still, warranty with these MBs is nothing to sneeze at. You may try to negotiate an outside extended warranty with the Curbsider, just make sure things are covered. READ THE FINE PRINT! Point to note with Curbsiders.... if it's included in the price, then it may well not include much, outside of an battery....
The other problem I would have with your 2 link choices is the non MB not having that extra 2 yr 120K warranty.... To me, and driving an MB, warranty is everything, as the costs outside of warranty, can put a gun to your head real quick! The 6 diesel has had a few turbo seals that die, costing $3K+ to replace. (PITA to do) Not something you want to wear...! I do all my own work, but still, warranty with these MBs is nothing to sneeze at. You may try to negotiate an outside extended warranty with the Curbsider, just make sure things are covered. READ THE FINE PRINT! Point to note with Curbsiders.... if it's included in the price, then it may well not include much, outside of an battery....
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2014 ML 350 2003 Clk 430 2009 C300
Buy from a reputable MB dealer. The POS I purchased from a Newmarket MB "stealer" had a $1600 problem that they would not fix after 3 days of the purchase.I suspect they knew this. I wanted to return this SUV because after one hour of driving after they closed on Sat , I notice that someone had smoked in it, I am highly effected to scents and could not drive this thing .I had put 200 k over the allowed 500k exchange period so this was their out..I live 250 k from them and I had to drive it on Sunday which put more miles on it. I contacted MB customer service and they were NO help at all, saying that they had NO power to do anything.An empty chair could do her job!! So I was out of luck. I had to deal it in after 3 weeks We tried everything know to man to get rid of the smoke issue. It had 84 k on it Peter bough MB went to Mercedes head office, to get the blind spot warning feature fixed ($1600) I had bought there before so they went to bat for me and got the OK to repair it at no cost to me.
I guess having one of the four BEST service managers in Canada means something.
I should have bought from them in the first place , but I needed a SUV to go south and they did not have one.I though buying a certified MB from a corporate store was a safe buy NOT!!!!! I did not want to buy a new one.
I ended up with a 2014 18k SUV from Peterbough MB.
I am sharing this so others will not get taken advantage of.
I was going to sue the sales manager personally for my loss , but my lawyer said it was useless, just like the dealership.
I believe in Karma, and I hope it is a BIG *****
I guess having one of the four BEST service managers in Canada means something.
I should have bought from them in the first place , but I needed a SUV to go south and they did not have one.I though buying a certified MB from a corporate store was a safe buy NOT!!!!! I did not want to buy a new one.
I ended up with a 2014 18k SUV from Peterbough MB.
I am sharing this so others will not get taken advantage of.
I was going to sue the sales manager personally for my loss , but my lawyer said it was useless, just like the dealership.
I believe in Karma, and I hope it is a BIG *****
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Are you keeping the car for a long time? if yes, better at least get a 2013 or 2014 to have a little factory warranty and get a ELW on it specially on diesels.
Also don't be scared buying out of province specially in BC (Vancouver area) as we get barely any snow and vehicle information is available as the province monopolizes the insurance of the vehicles here so if something happens with a benz 99% of the time it gets reported and repaired on a MB certified shop. There are 4 corporate stores within 50 kilometers here in BC so whatever you see online you can get it through a corporate store except in Surrey and Langley.
Look online and if you find something let me know and I can hook you up with my salesperson that always deals with buyers from the East Coast.
+1 on Quebec cars. NEVER buy Quebec cars!
Don't sell the classic car! You crazy!?
Also don't be scared buying out of province specially in BC (Vancouver area) as we get barely any snow and vehicle information is available as the province monopolizes the insurance of the vehicles here so if something happens with a benz 99% of the time it gets reported and repaired on a MB certified shop. There are 4 corporate stores within 50 kilometers here in BC so whatever you see online you can get it through a corporate store except in Surrey and Langley.
Look online and if you find something let me know and I can hook you up with my salesperson that always deals with buyers from the East Coast.
+1 on Quebec cars. NEVER buy Quebec cars!
Don't sell the classic car! You crazy!?
Last edited by shotgun_banjo; Nov 23, 2015 at 03:52 PM.
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2013 ML350 Bluetec, 1966 Ford Mustang Convertible (sold)
Are you keeping the car for a long time? if yes, better at least get a 2013 or 2014 to have a little factory warranty and get a ELW on it specially on diesels.
Also don't be scared buying out of province specially in BC (Vancouver area) as we get barely any snow and vehicle information is available as the province monopolizes the insurance of the vehicles here so if something happens with a benz 99% of the time it gets reported and repaired on a MB certified shop. There are 4 corporate stores within 50 kilometers here in BC so whatever you see online you can get it through a corporate store except in Surrey and Langley.
Look online and if you find something let me know and I can hook you up with my salesperson that always deals with buyers from the East Coast.
+1 on Quebec cars. NEVER buy Quebec cars!
Don't sell the classic car! You crazy!?
Also don't be scared buying out of province specially in BC (Vancouver area) as we get barely any snow and vehicle information is available as the province monopolizes the insurance of the vehicles here so if something happens with a benz 99% of the time it gets reported and repaired on a MB certified shop. There are 4 corporate stores within 50 kilometers here in BC so whatever you see online you can get it through a corporate store except in Surrey and Langley.
Look online and if you find something let me know and I can hook you up with my salesperson that always deals with buyers from the East Coast.
+1 on Quebec cars. NEVER buy Quebec cars!
Don't sell the classic car! You crazy!?
Regarding the 1966 Mustang, I know I know, I'm crazy for wanting to sell it. I rebuilt it from scratch with my dad (so there's a lot of emotional value in it as well) and had a blast with it. However, with a baby, I don't have time to enjoy it anymore. I can't put a baby seat in there (my daughter is 19 months old) and even then, I wouldn't risk her safety. I suppose there comes a time when you have to let your toy go. Unless I throw a blanket on it and store it for a couple of years. I haven't decided what to do with it yet... If I decide to sell it, I would sell it myself because I doubt that I would get the appraised value in a trade in at the dealership.
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Hmmmm... I am coveting a new GLC which will take two or three months to get ordered to my specs. I am currently driving a 2012 ML Diesel, very well equipped, no defects, under factory warranty until 24 June 16. It has 34K miles on it at the moment. I will be selling it or trading it in January or February. My ML has been the best car I've ever owned. Zero defects. I am upgrading to the GLC for the advances in technology...even though it is a slightly smaller vehicle.
I doubt if you would want to wait until Jan/Feb/ I am in Illinois. Our respective governments probably make it difficult to cross the border for car purchases/sales.
Al
I doubt if you would want to wait until Jan/Feb/ I am in Illinois. Our respective governments probably make it difficult to cross the border for car purchases/sales.
Al
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2013 ML350 Bluetec, 1966 Ford Mustang Convertible (sold)
Hmmmm... I am coveting a new GLC which will take two or three months to get ordered to my specs. I am currently driving a 2012 ML Diesel, very well equipped, no defects, under factory warranty until 24 June 16. It has 34K miles on it at the moment. I will be selling it or trading it in January or February. My ML has been the best car I've ever owned. Zero defects. I am upgrading to the GLC for the advances in technology...even though it is a slightly smaller vehicle.
I doubt if you would want to wait until Jan/Feb/ I am in Illinois. Our respective governments probably make it difficult to cross the border for car purchases/sales.
Al
I doubt if you would want to wait until Jan/Feb/ I am in Illinois. Our respective governments probably make it difficult to cross the border for car purchases/sales.
Al
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I just picked up a 2014 with 26,000 KM from MB in Toronto. Fully loaded and warrantied till 2021. PM me for more details.
Also, I have a 1969 Mustang convertible lol
Also, I have a 1969 Mustang convertible lol
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