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Old 08-01-2016, 05:44 PM
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Anyone know when the 2017 diesels will be available?
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Anyone know when the 2017 diesels will be available?
Nobody knows, but it's worth to read.
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/me...sa-109975.html
Or
http://www.autonews.com/article/2016...-c-class-sedan
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For some reason I resent the AutoNews link above calling my ML or the GLE a Crossover. It is not a crossover. A crossover is a vehicle built on a car platform and a SUV built on a truck platform.

I'd be interested in a C class with a 3 liter diesel engine, but I must be smoking something illegal to belive that will ever happen with Mercedes.
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BMW just this week got approval for their 2017 diesel models. I can't imagine MB being too far behind.
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BMW just this week got approval for their 2017 diesel models. I can't imagine MB being too far behind.
I agree since BMW licences MB Bluetec tecnology for their diesels.
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I'd be interested in a C class with a 3 liter diesel engine, but I must be smoking something illegal to belive that will ever happen with Mercedes.

It's not going to be a 3 liter OM642 engine, but a C300d 4Matic sedan is scheduled for February 2017 in the USA. I think they're using the same 2.1 L turbo diesel motor from the GLK/GLC and E250d, which has plenty of ooomph for a C-class chassis.
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It's not going to be a 3 liter OM642 engine, but a C300d 4Matic sedan is scheduled for February 2017 in the USA. I think they're using the same 2.1 L turbo diesel motor from the GLK/GLC and E250d, which has plenty of ooomph for a C-class chassis.
I had a E250D as a loaner last month and indeed, it surprised me as to how well it drove at hwy speeds of 75-80 mph and from stop lights. Not quite what a BMW 535D will do, but very acceptable never the less.
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I had a E250D as a loaner last month and indeed, it surprised me as to how well it drove at hwy speeds of 75-80 mph and from stop lights. Not quite what a BMW 535D will do, but ve5ry acceptable never the less.
Both companies seem to be playing it well in the selection of powerplants to offer. BMW customers want more performance so they still offer the 6 cylinder diesel in the 535d and X5 35d. Whereas MB customers are more about creature comforts and would trade some performance for a gain in fuel economy, hence being able to get away with a 4 cylinder diesel in the e250 and GLE300d.
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We can still get the 3L turbo diesel OM642 engine in the GLEs here in Canada. ULSD diesel is readily available here, and that engine is arguably the best overall choice for the ML/GLE. Plenty of torque for the heft of the ML/GLE and for towing, yet nowhere near as thirsty as a gasser. The 2.1L is adequate for the GLK/GLC, but I am afraid it is underpowered for a heavier truck like the ML/GLE, let alone a tow mule.
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We can still get the 3L turbo diesel OM642 engine in the GLEs here in Canada. ULSD diesel is readily available here, and that engine is arguably the best overall choice for the ML/GLE. Plenty of torque for the heft of the ML/GLE and for towing, yet nowhere near as thirsty as a gasser. The 2.1L is adequate for the GLK/GLC, but I am afraid it is underpowered for a heavier truck like the ML/GLE, let alone a tow mule.
The 4 cylinder diesel is too small. The V6 was way better. I miss my V6 and with this whole thing I am now looking at a gas. I am not happy with MB for the change. It was the perfect combo.
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The 4 cylinder diesel is too small. The V6 was way better. I miss my V6 and with this whole thing I am now looking at a gas. I am not happy with MB for the change. It was the perfect combo.
That's exactly what I did. I'm not happy neither. Last w/e driving from Boston to NY, there were times going uphill at speed that the transmission dropped down from 7th to 5th. I don't think my ML350 BTC would've changed gears at all. This w/e coming will be pulling a 6k lb travel trailer, we'll see how it goes. With the diesel, it you barely ever felt a trailer behind you. Thinking of which, I gotta update that other thread about the brake controller...
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That's exactly what I did. I'm not happy neither. Last w/e driving from Boston to NY, there were times going uphill at speed that the transmission dropped down from 7th to 5th. I don't think my ML350 BTC would've changed gears at all. This w/e coming will be pulling a 6k lb travel trailer, we'll see how it goes. With the diesel, it you barely ever felt a trailer behind you. Thinking of which, I gotta update that other thread about the brake controller...
I am planning on ordering a gas 350. Ideally I would like to have another V6 diesel, its been two years and I still miss my 2013. I am hoping MB falls in line with Porsche and Range Rover and brings it back.
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I am planning on ordering a gas 350. Ideally I would like to have another V6 diesel, its been two years and I still miss my 2013. I am hoping MB falls in line with Porsche and Range Rover and brings it back.
I keep forgetting about the LR diesel. Depending on it's price point, when the new Discovery hits stateside, that may be worth a look as well.

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MB was caught short with the VW Diesel Cheat and a law suit on the current OM651 motor in NY state. This froze certification effort on MB's part for the C300d, although it was already listed in USA sales materials.

The OM651 Diesel (the very high torque Sprinter and E250 motor) it is now at 'end of life'. Mercedes did not want to bother with any more regulatory testing of this engine than present circumstances might require and have instead, begun the process of certifying the new aluminum OM654. I assume this engine will also make the M-Class shortly as well.

At this time, we in the US are waiting on the new aluminum OM654 Diesel to finish a year or so of world wide production and driving. One can hardly imagine the care and trepidation which all manufacturers approach any mechanical change to US spec cars. Any mechanical system change is, of course, a potential legal system time bomb here, and this has often lead to a 9-18 months delay in introduction of new models, much less new systems.

As long as the new OM654 (which see) does not have any systemic defects in its first year of use, it is expected to easily pass USA regulations and be offered for sale in the C-Class. As everyone is saying, expect summer to fall of 2017. Although this motor is the sole available motor for the new E-Class in many markets this year, it is still an open issue with MBUSA as to it being made available ahead of any E-Class, in-line 6 cylinder cousin. I would not hold my breath.

There is a possibility Diesel C-Class or M-Class could be further delayed, simply because the dealers do not want to be bothered with such a low volume vehicles. Unlike the majority of countries, USA car sales are controlled by an oligarchy of large independent chain stores. These are not Mercedes owned, and are an unfortunate buffer between automakers and their customers. This cabal wields undue influence in the model mix, options mix and general marketing plans of all automakers.

Dealers, like your local, still wet behind the ears stock broker, are principally interested in selling you their most profitable product. In this case, cleverly packed with options, many of which you do not need nor want. The 2010-2016 E-Class heated seats were a $4000 option, for example. This was not an oversight! Things are a bit better now, but only because customers took the dealers to task.

Anyone wanting a diesel (sedan) better make plenty of noise through email or other contact with MB. The dealers are not on your side.

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