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Old Sep 30, 2022 | 02:08 PM
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Well I had some mouse drops on my intake a few months ago, so I need to make sure that the wiring is good.
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Old Oct 1, 2022 | 11:53 AM
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Wiring is good!

However, the newly replaced camshaft sensor is bad.
I installed the old sensors and the car ran fine. (For now)
I'll be replacing it, as it likes to work, or not based on temperature

I am wondering if the precision if the old sensors have decreased, thus allowing any timing fluctuations to become unnoticed.
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Old Oct 1, 2022 | 02:48 PM
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salted data... adaptations !

Originally Posted by tim687
Wiring is good!

However, the newly replaced camshaft sensor is bad.
I installed the old sensors and the car ran fine. (For now)
I'll be replacing it, as it likes to work, or not based on temperature

I am wondering if the precision if the old sensors have decreased, thus allowing any timing fluctuations to become unnoticed.
The ECU firmware adapts to these sensors. It adds salt to correct data of the measured timing.
You can get away with replacing cam sensors without Xentry but you really want it to do complete job including reset adaptations.
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Old Oct 1, 2022 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
The ECU firmware adapts to these sensors. It adds salt to correct data of the measured timing.
You can get away with replacing cam sensors without Xentry but you really want it to do complete job including reset adaptations.
I did in fact reset the adaptations multiple times and it still wouldn't run properly. I've ordered the sensor and I expect it to arrive upcoming week.

It's going to be a tight one.
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Old Oct 1, 2022 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by tim687
I did in fact reset the adaptations multiple times and it still wouldn't run properly. I've ordered the sensor and I expect it to arrive upcoming week.

It's going to be a tight one.
Making progress one issue at a time 👍👍👍
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Old Oct 3, 2022 | 05:05 PM
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Are you going to do it by yourself?
When the time comes, yes! Just preparing for the eventual.
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Old Oct 7, 2022 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
Making progress one issue at a time 👍👍👍
Mercedes-Benz original sensors or aftermarket premium sensors? I've bought Delphi ones and it is shaking like a potato sorting machine.
Even after resetting the adaptations multiple times

Someone working at Mercedes told me that these cars do not always like non-Mercedes sensors.

The original sensor came with this logo, can you identify the brand?




Also, the sensor didn't install flush with the valve cover, is this an issue? I can't tighten it up any further

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Old Oct 7, 2022 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tim687
Mercedes-Benz original sensors or aftermarket premium sensors? I've bought Delphi ones and it is shaking like a potato sorting machine.
Even after resetting the adaptations multiple times

Someone working at Mercedes told me that these cars do not always like non-Mercedes sensors.

The original sensor came with this logo, can you identify the brand?




Also, the sensor didn't install flush with the valve cover, is this an issue? I can't tighten it up any further
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Have you tried searching for the part number to see what description comes up with the many brands suppliers.

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Old Oct 7, 2022 | 03:22 PM
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I did, nothing came up. I've got the feeling that this is one of those manufacturers that got bought up by a larger one.

Any ideas about the tolerances of the sensor compared to the camshaft?
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Old Oct 8, 2022 | 08:26 AM
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I've reinstalled the sensor and it's more flush with the cylinder head. Engine idles some what good, but cylinder 7 and 12 both miss when giving some gas during cold idle.

It did this before I think, but it would usually go away
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Old Oct 11, 2022 | 02:49 AM
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Long live Germany! I've hit 210 on the autobahn, it wouldn't go any higher cause I setted the wrong speed limit.

The car does misfire a little at idle with 102 octane.
Starting when cold outside is still a challenge and takes some attempts
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Old Oct 17, 2022 | 10:09 AM
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I've hit 210 on the autobahn,
MPH?

I went over 160 once and that was a bit scary. Can't imagine 210.
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Old Oct 17, 2022 | 10:32 AM
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MPH?

I went over 160 once and that was a bit scary. Can't imagine 210.
HAHA nope km/h. I've reversed the speed limiter back to 250km/h and indeed it's going 250 now
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Old Oct 31, 2022 | 03:25 AM
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So I've replaced the camshaft position sensors with the ones that are actually made for the car and she starts up beautifully.

However, when using the rev-range, one cylinder is misfiring and that causes massive vibrations.
Any suggestions?
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Old Dec 6, 2022 | 02:28 AM
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HELP ME TOO TIM

I’ve read this whole thread, great thread.

I have MISFIRE ON CYLINDER 7,8,9. Sometime 9s goes away, I replaced spark plugs and boots, MAF,MAP.

car will run good for 6 minutes until I come to a complete stop, misfire will pop up.

So right now I have code for cylinder 7,8, o2 bank 2 sensor 1 02 bank 1 sensor 1! Says heat circuit Issue.

Do I need to buy voltage transformer or coil packs?

BY the way I got 7,8,9 codes and the o2 sensor literally a week after I did a muffler delete. Kept the cats stock of course. Please let me know WHAT I GOTTA DO!!
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Old Dec 6, 2022 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by arkiteckz1990
I’ve read this whole thread, great thread.

I have MISFIRE ON CYLINDER 7,8,9. Sometime 9s goes away, I replaced spark plugs and boots, MAF,MAP.

car will run good for 6 minutes until I come to a complete stop, misfire will pop up.

So right now I have code for cylinder 7,8, o2 bank 2 sensor 1 02 bank 1 sensor 1! Says heat circuit Issue.

Do I need to buy voltage transformer or coil packs?

BY the way I got 7,8,9 codes and the o2 sensor literally a week after I did a muffler delete. Kept the cats stock of course. Please let me know WHAT I GOTTA DO!!
You might want to try replacing your fuel filter - check this thread, very similar problems mentioned and they resolved with a new fuel filter.

But if you do need to diagnose ignition issues, v12icpack.com will rent you a voltage transformer and/or coil packs for testing. Information is about halfway down their home page. You can also send in your voltage transformer to be tested for $25.

They've also just announced availability of their own redesigned/improved voltage transformer which mounts remotely instead of on top of the engine. The stock top of engine location subjects the voltage transformer to a lot of unnecessary heat, shortening its life.
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Old Dec 26, 2022 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by brucewane
You might want to try replacing your fuel filter - check this thread, very similar problems mentioned and they resolved with a new fuel filter.

But if you do need to diagnose ignition issues, v12icpack.com will rent you a voltage transformer and/or coil packs for testing. Information is about halfway down their home page. You can also send in your voltage transformer to be tested for $25.

They've also just announced availability of their own redesigned/improved voltage transformer which mounts remotely instead of on top of the engine. The stock top of engine location subjects the voltage transformer to a lot of unnecessary heat, shortening its life.
Thanks Brucewane! Just ordered a Boost Box from Clark. I will provide a basic review once I receive it but knowing his reputation I expect zero issues. My current transformer is fine, but I know it's day of reckoning is inevitable.
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Old Jul 29, 2023 | 10:14 PM
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Old Aug 17, 2023 | 07:19 AM
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Has anybody got more information about the 23V circuitry? @pmercury , do you have any schematics or traces?

I need to find out how the 23V from the diode reaches the connector

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Old Nov 1, 2023 | 06:53 PM
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Is there an updated voltage transformer parts list? Was PMercury able to figure out what parts to replace?

I can't believe this thread got derailed like this. One of the most interesting and useful threads on this board.

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Old Mar 13, 2024 | 01:49 PM
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Another one bites the dust

Mine just died. It has a manufacture date of mid December 2008. It was a replacement for the original. I've ordered Clark's redesigned unit from v12icpack.com to replace this one.
One of the capacitors took a crap. Everything else is visually okay.




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Old Mar 13, 2024 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Pitts
Mine just died. It has a manufacture date of mid December 2008. It was a replacement for the original. I've ordered Clark's redesigned unit from v12icpack.com to replace this one.
One of the capacitors took a crap. Everything else is visually okay.


You can replace them with some better ones and it should last you a long time,you can try replacing the caps your MOSFETs might be ok and you will have a spare unit. Also I would desolder that capasitor so the fluid won't eat your PSB if you plan to fix it up
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solder failure

This is a typical solder failure. It's caused by a combination of:
  • low temp "cold solder" joint
  • (vibrations of cap if not glues down)
  • Lead-free ROHS weak solder
  • high current spikes

Lucky this looks perfectly salvageable as PCB is not charcoaled.

This is your wake-up call to clean and resolder every similar solders at your earliest convenience.

Your solder iron needs to be temperature regulated to heat pins reliably within soldering temp range.
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Old Mar 14, 2024 | 12:42 PM
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Thanks for the info CaliBenzDriver!

I've experienced plenty of cold solder joint failures in my lifetime, but have never seen it accompanied with burning. I haven't measured anything yet, but it looks (and smells!) to me like the cap failed. This stuff smells to high heaven. Sorta fishy mixed with the "magic smoke". This must've been on the edge for a bit because this happened at a few seconds after start up. Sounded great then almost immediately the engine tone changed and the check engine light illuminated. I suppose it was running on just 6 cylinders.

My plan is to source and replace ALL of the caps and if that fixes it, keep it as a spare. Although I shouldn't need it since I just ordered one of Clark's Boost Box replacement VTs.
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Old Mar 14, 2024 | 02:03 PM
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Well, this doesn't look very promising.
What's the best / easiest way to get rid of the potting material?

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