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What team was it whose air gun messed up in Bahrain?
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Back on topic - Re the wing - seems Ferrari has found a loophole. According to the talking heads on Speedchannel, the regs prohibit moveable aero devices and were aimed at actively controlled devices. Ferrari has figured out how to engineer the wing so that the natural structural deflection in response to the aero loads produces a shape more suited to the airspeed. This type of aero-elastic tailoring has been around a long time in the aerospace industry.
All materials deflect in response to load, Ferrari is just the first to be seen taking advantage, but it doesn't mean they are the first or only ones doing it, just the first to be caught. It is impossible to build a wing that doesn't deflect under load. Past thinking was that Stiffer is better but we are seeing that being challenged by Ferrari.
All materials deflect in response to load, Ferrari is just the first to be seen taking advantage, but it doesn't mean they are the first or only ones doing it, just the first to be caught. It is impossible to build a wing that doesn't deflect under load. Past thinking was that Stiffer is better but we are seeing that being challenged by Ferrari.
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I say more power to them... look at those flopping mirrors on the McLaren's and Renaults... are they illegal or just a poor design? Should they be forced to make them rock solid? Sure it doesn't give them an advantage but a rule is a rule, right?
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Originally Posted by Nola
I say more power to them... look at those flopping mirrors on the McLaren's and Renaults... are they illegal or just a poor design? Should they be forced to make them rock solid? Sure it doesn't give them an advantage but a rule is a rule, right?
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I was wondering if one of those mirrors was going to fly off but didn't notice it had gone missing.
With all the regulations that the FIA places on these teams its amazing how ambiguous most of them seem to be. It's getting to be a bit like golf, and I probably don't need to point out how exciting that is to watch....
My favorite rules changes over the past few years are the "cost saving" ones requiring all new tire compounds and designs (made for a great race at Indy last year), and all new engine designs (which made for a few great explosions last weekend.) Maybe with all the cost savings they can develop mirrors that don't vibrate off at speed.....
With all the regulations that the FIA places on these teams its amazing how ambiguous most of them seem to be. It's getting to be a bit like golf, and I probably don't need to point out how exciting that is to watch....
My favorite rules changes over the past few years are the "cost saving" ones requiring all new tire compounds and designs (made for a great race at Indy last year), and all new engine designs (which made for a few great explosions last weekend.) Maybe with all the cost savings they can develop mirrors that don't vibrate off at speed.....
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Originally Posted by velvet fog
Back on topic - Re the wing - seems Ferrari has found a loophole. According to the talking heads on Speedchannel, the regs prohibit moveable aero devices and were aimed at actively controlled devices. Ferrari has figured out how to engineer the wing so that the natural structural deflection in response to the aero loads produces a shape more suited to the airspeed. This type of aero-elastic tailoring has been around a long time in the aerospace industry.
All materials deflect in response to load, Ferrari is just the first to be seen taking advantage, but it doesn't mean they are the first or only ones doing it, just the first to be caught. It is impossible to build a wing that doesn't deflect under load. Past thinking was that Stiffer is better but we are seeing that being challenged by Ferrari.
All materials deflect in response to load, Ferrari is just the first to be seen taking advantage, but it doesn't mean they are the first or only ones doing it, just the first to be caught. It is impossible to build a wing that doesn't deflect under load. Past thinking was that Stiffer is better but we are seeing that being challenged by Ferrari.
Technically, the "loophole" being used by Ferrari on the front wings is the same argument. To whit, Aero loading should not permit a changing of profile of the wing main plane. I feel this is why the controversy, and why Ferrari should be called to answer for it.
Everyone knows I agree the rules have become too onerous in F1, as I would like to see more innovation in the sport, and the rules don't permit it today. But since everyone is asked to play by the same sheet, the rules should be enforced.
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Good point MB-Bob, I wasn't aware this had been a problem in F1 before. Neck-car had the same problem with the rear spoiler, teams would make the spoiler lay down at speed. Nascar solved the problem my making a rule regarding allowable deflection when subjected to a special testing device. Looks like F1 may have a rule like this in its future.
