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Aug 2, 2008 | 12:04 PM
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1 - 2 Should be great tomorrow
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Aug 2, 2008 | 08:21 PM
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FRONT ROW DOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EAT IT MASSA YOU LITTLE BIAAAAATTCCCHHH!
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Aug 3, 2008 | 12:49 PM
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Heikki Kovalainen got his first win while driving a McLaren Mercedes today at the Hungarian GP. Heikki was firmly in second place until a few laps from the end of the race when Massa's Ferrari blew an engine. Hamilton had been in second place for much of the race but suffered a flat tire toward the middle of the race and then lost a lot of time during the replacement. To his credit, he fought back and salvaged fifth place in his McLaren Mercedes. McLaren Mercedes is now just 11 points behind Ferrari in the world constructor's championship. Hamilton still leads the driver's championship.

1 23 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 70 1:37:27.067 2 10
2 12 Timo Glock Toyota 70 +11.0 secs 5 8
3 1 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 70 +16.8 secs 6 6
4 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 70 +21.6 secs 7 5
5 22 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 70 +23.0 secs 1 4
6 6 Nelsinho Piquet Renault 70 +32.2 secs 10 3
7 11 Jarno Trulli Toyota 70 +36.4 secs 9 2
8 4 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 70 +48.3 secs 4 1
9 10 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 70 +58.8 secs 8
10 3 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 70 +67.7 secs 15
11 9 David Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 70 +70.4 secs 13
12 16 Jenson Button Honda 69 +1 Lap 12
13 8 Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota 69 +1 Lap 16
14 7 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 69 +1 Lap 14
15 21 Giancarlo Fisichella Force India-Ferrari 69 +1 Lap 18
16 17 Rubens Barrichello Honda 68 +2 Laps 17
17 2 Felipe Massa Ferrari 67 DNF 3
18 14 Sebastien Bourdais STR-Ferrari 67 +3 Laps 19
Ret 20 Adrian Sutil Force India-Ferrari 62 +8 Laps 20
Ret 15 Sebastian Vettel STR-Ferrari 22 +48 Laps 11
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Aug 4, 2008 | 12:00 AM
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Excellent result
Way to go Heikki. Hamilton needs to watch that flat spotting. Finallly McLaren is making progress on Ferrari. Good race all in all.
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Aug 4, 2008 | 03:31 AM
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awesome !

Good deal for Heikki !!
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Aug 4, 2008 | 10:40 AM
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Man I feel bad for Massa.... to retire w/ less than 3 laps remaining after having led almost the entire race
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Aug 4, 2008 | 10:43 AM
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You cannot extrapolate too much from a couple races, but on recent evidence is Massa Ferrari's best hope for a WDC crown this year?
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Aug 4, 2008 | 10:51 AM
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Massa? ...feh
Not feeling sorry for Massa. He pushed his engine too hard to get in front of Hamilton. Plus I'm happy McLaren won so...
Massa should really be the appointed leader for Ferrari this season. He's more consistent and is making less waves. Kimi is trying to do his own thing in as team that does not appreciate individuality.
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Aug 4, 2008 | 12:35 PM
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Congrats Heikki!
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Aug 4, 2008 | 02:38 PM
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Quote: Not feeling sorry for Massa. He pushed his engine too hard to get in front of Hamilton.
Huh? You mean at Turn One? I mean, these engines are always pushed hard throughout the entire race, but especially at the launch who isn't gunning for it? That's the best, perhaps only, place where you can jump 2, 3 or even 4 places in one go
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Aug 5, 2008 | 01:12 AM
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My Theory -
The Ferrari was running extra rich all day long and Massa was keeping the revs abnormally high to get those times. Then at the end when he tried to lean the motor out it couldn't handle the strain. No need to argue this one as it is my op.
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Aug 5, 2008 | 09:50 AM
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Quote: The Ferrari was running extra rich all day long and Massa was keeping the revs abnormally high to get those times. Then at the end when he tried to lean the motor out it couldn't handle the strain. No need to argue this one as it is my op.
What you are saying doesn't make sense;
  • Running the car rich results in reduced horsepower, so if that was the case, he wouldn't be able to run faster than Hamilton during the race. If you are suggesting that he was running the engine too lean during the race that wasn't his wrongdoing but the Ferrari engineers that allowed him to do that.
  • He couldn't have "run the revs abnormaly high"! The revs are regulated by FIA to a maximum of 19k rpm and all teams are running their engines at that maximum.
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Aug 5, 2008 | 02:59 PM
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I finally watched the race last night. Wow, it looked like Masa was shot out of a canon at the start. Great race for HK for driving without errors or bad luck. Oh, what might have been if LH didn't get a flat. He does over drive his tires. TG also had a great race keeping KR behind him at the end.
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Aug 5, 2008 | 03:58 PM
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Quote: What you are saying doesn't make sense;
  • Running the car rich results in reduced horsepower, so if that was the case, he wouldn't be able to run faster than Hamilton during the race. If you are suggesting that he was running the engine too lean during the race that wasn't his wrongdoing but the Ferrari engineers that allowed him to do that.
  • He couldn't have "run the revs abnormaly high"! The revs are regulated by FIA to a maximum of 19k rpm and all teams are running their engines at that maximum.
On a side note, I heard one of the commentators mention that teams will sometimes tweak their redlines to, say, 18.6K or 18.8K depending on the circuit
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Aug 5, 2008 | 04:00 PM
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Timo
Quote: I finally watched the race last night. Wow, it looked like Masa was shot out of a canon at the start. Great race for HK for driving without errors or bad luck. Oh, what might have been if LH didn't get a flat. He does over drive his tires. TG also had a great race keeping KR behind him at the end.
Glock did indeed have a great weekend, not to mention coming back superbly from that horrific crash at Hockenheim
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Aug 6, 2008 | 03:06 PM
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Quote: What you are saying doesn't make sense;
  • Running the car rich results in reduced horsepower, so if that was the case, he wouldn't be able to run faster than Hamilton during the race. If you are suggesting that he was running the engine too lean during the race that wasn't his wrongdoing but the Ferrari engineers that allowed him to do that.
  • He couldn't have "run the revs abnormaly high"! The revs are regulated by FIA to a maximum of 19k rpm and all teams are running their engines at that maximum.
??
Running the car lean decreases horsepower and increases the mpg. Conversely running rich increase horspower to the detriment of mpg.
Sooo... Massa (his engineers as well) are at fault for the race strategy that blew the engine. Just as LH overdrives his tires and the engineers don't call him in to change his tires more frequently (see China 2007).

Revs are regulated but the driver can hold revs at a higher rpm artificially in corners. Maybe this is not a good arguement as it is questionable if revving the engine longer would be helpful at somplace like Hungary.
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Aug 6, 2008 | 03:08 PM
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Quote: I finally watched the race last night. Wow, it looked like Masa was shot out of a canon at the start. Great race for HK for driving without errors or bad luck. Oh, what might have been if LH didn't get a flat. He does over drive his tires. TG also had a great race keeping KR behind him at the end.

YAY TG!!- keeping Kimi from getting more points.

Yeah a Mclaren 1-2 would have been great for Mclaren and the Championship as a whole.
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Aug 6, 2008 | 03:16 PM
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Quote: ??
Just as LH overdrives his tires and the engineers don't call him in to change his tires more frequently (see China 2007).
Oh god, did you have to bring that up? That was a painful memory.
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Aug 6, 2008 | 08:35 PM
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Suxs for massa.. BIG TIME
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Aug 6, 2008 | 08:57 PM
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Quote: Oh god, did you have to bring that up? That was a painful memory.
Don't mention kitty litter
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Aug 6, 2008 | 09:56 PM
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Quote: What you are saying doesn't make sense;
  • Running the car rich results in reduced horsepower, so if that was the case, he wouldn't be able to run faster than Hamilton during the race. If you are suggesting that he was running the engine too lean during the race that wasn't his wrongdoing but the Ferrari engineers that allowed him to do that.
  • He couldn't have "run the revs abnormaly high"! The revs are regulated by FIA to a maximum of 19k rpm and all teams are running their engines at that maximum.
There is a button on all the cars that allows for a short over rev period to help in overtaking, gives the cars a needed boost sometimes.
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Aug 7, 2008 | 06:57 PM
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Quote: There is a button on all the cars that allows for a short over rev period to help in overtaking, gives the cars a needed boost sometimes.

I haven't heard of this. You sure you are not thinking of the Power to Pass button in CART?

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Aug 8, 2008 | 12:49 AM
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Red Bull
Now that you mention it I do remember the Red Bull tech guy talking aqbout it in a Racing Per Matchet. He did try to gloss over it pretty quickly.
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Aug 8, 2008 | 01:31 AM
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Quote: I haven't heard of this. You sure you are not thinking of the Power to Pass button in CART?

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THe speed guys have mentioned it a few times during pratice, qualifying and some races.
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