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Kimi retired with engine failure in lap 28 I believe(he was in first position)...& Coulthard ran off the track with 6 laps to go cus Alonso apparently braked way too early.....Damn it!
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Yeah, Alonso better not make a habit out of early braking when someone's on his butt trying to get by. At least Kimi was again showing that he's the best driver currently in F1, all weekend long. Scum-macher should not have been allowed to finish the race. That was a direct violation of the rules. But the red cars always get special favors.
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Originally posted by Micah
Scum-macher should not have been allowed to finish the race. That was a direct violation of the rules. But the red cars always get special favors.
Scum-macher should not have been allowed to finish the race. That was a direct violation of the rules. But the red cars always get special favors.
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Yeah, Alonso definitely brake-tested Couthard out of the race. He claimed he was having tire problems, which contradicts what his own team said earlier in a post-race press release (that the car was OK). He has tarnished my opinion of his driving skills - he nearly crashed Michael off as well on the last lap. My guess is that he'd rather crash the oppostion out of the race if his car is going to be passed. Which is 
By the way, MS didn't break any rules. The marshals were allowed to push him back on to the track because he was in a dangerous place (he spun when JPM passed him for second - it appeared that the front end of the Ferrari washed out slightly and there was contact between the two). If his car had stopped running it would have been illegal to push start him, but the engine remained alight because Ferrari have cleverly integrated an anti-stall software into the engine management system.
Sucked for Kimi -
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By the way, MS didn't break any rules. The marshals were allowed to push him back on to the track because he was in a dangerous place (he spun when JPM passed him for second - it appeared that the front end of the Ferrari washed out slightly and there was contact between the two). If his car had stopped running it would have been illegal to push start him, but the engine remained alight because Ferrari have cleverly integrated an anti-stall software into the engine management system.
Sucked for Kimi -
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FIA Sporting Regulation 150 says:
"If a car stops during the race, it must be removed from the track as quickly as possible..."
His car wasn't removed from the track. Furthermore, every other car that has gone into the gravel traps in F1 has been forced to retire. Michael Schumacher is the only person that has been pushed back onto the track and allowed to continue. Other cars get dragged off the back of the gravel trap. Unfair advantage.
"If a car stops during the race, it must be removed from the track as quickly as possible..."
His car wasn't removed from the track. Furthermore, every other car that has gone into the gravel traps in F1 has been forced to retire. Michael Schumacher is the only person that has been pushed back onto the track and allowed to continue. Other cars get dragged off the back of the gravel trap. Unfair advantage.
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The difference was that Micheal's car did not stall and the other people who ran into the traps did stall. In the case that engine did not stall, it is legal to get help. According to the commentators, no rules were violated at all.
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The regulation does not say "if the car stalls". It says "if a car stops". His car was most definitely stopped, unable to continue without assistance. I've seen dozens of other people go into the gravel traps with their wheels still spinning. The marshalls walk out to the car, tell them to kill the engine, and then drag the car out the back of the gravel trap and keep the car behind the wall. Why doesn't anyone else get pushed or towed back onto the track?
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Schuey's car was only halfway into the gravel trap. His front wheels were still on the track. The other people I've seen stuck were probably about 10 meters off the track. I'm sure it will look a little silly if they tried to tow the car back to the track at that point.
I think it was smart on Schuey's part to recognize and exercise the regulations to the limits.
I think it was smart on Schuey's part to recognize and exercise the regulations to the limits.
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Originally posted by Micah
FIA Sporting Regulation 150 says:
"If a car stops during the race, it must be removed from the track as quickly as possible..."
His car wasn't removed from the track. Furthermore, every other car that has gone into the gravel traps in F1 has been forced to retire. Michael Schumacher is the only person that has been pushed back onto the track and allowed to continue. Other cars get dragged off the back of the gravel trap. Unfair advantage.
FIA Sporting Regulation 150 says:
"If a car stops during the race, it must be removed from the track as quickly as possible..."
His car wasn't removed from the track. Furthermore, every other car that has gone into the gravel traps in F1 has been forced to retire. Michael Schumacher is the only person that has been pushed back onto the track and allowed to continue. Other cars get dragged off the back of the gravel trap. Unfair advantage.
150) If a car stops during the race (except under Article 142c) and d), it must be removed from the track as
quickly as possible so that its presence does not constitute a danger or hinder other competitors. If the driver is
unable to drive the car from a dangerous position, it shall be the duty of the marshals to assist him. If any such
assistance results in the engine starting and the driver rejoining the race, the car will be excluded from the results
of the race.
quickly as possible so that its presence does not constitute a danger or hinder other competitors. If the driver is
unable to drive the car from a dangerous position, it shall be the duty of the marshals to assist him. If any such
assistance results in the engine starting and the driver rejoining the race, the car will be excluded from the results
of the race.
The assistance of the marshalls did not result in the starting of the engine. It was already running. BTW, I am no fan of either Schumacher.
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I agree (about the stalling thing) if he still running and within track limits (without severe damage) he is allowed to continue. It seems to me its getting to the point that no matter what certain teams do, people will decide to find fault even if its not there.
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Originally posted by trench
Yeah, Alonso definitely brake-tested Couthard out of the race. He claimed he was having tire problems, which contradicts what his own team said earlier in a post-race press release (that the car was OK). He has tarnished my opinion of his driving skills - he nearly crashed Michael off as well on the last lap. My guess is that he'd rather crash the oppostion out of the race if his car is going to be passed. BT
Yeah, Alonso definitely brake-tested Couthard out of the race. He claimed he was having tire problems, which contradicts what his own team said earlier in a post-race press release (that the car was OK). He has tarnished my opinion of his driving skills - he nearly crashed Michael off as well on the last lap. My guess is that he'd rather crash the oppostion out of the race if his car is going to be passed. BT
Rene Arnou Alonso...
(Rene Arnou was the consumate brake-tester)
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Originally posted by MB-BOB
If David Hobbs can call him "Fred" Alonso, I think we can give him a new nickname:
Rene Arnou Alonso...
(Rene Arnou was the consumate brake-tester)
If David Hobbs can call him "Fred" Alonso, I think we can give him a new nickname:
Rene Arnou Alonso...
(Rene Arnou was the consumate brake-tester)
Cheers, BT
