Why did AMG didn't build a supercharger in the ML 55?
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Why did AMG didn't build a supercharger in the ML 55?
Hi all,
I'm considering the ML 55 with the Kleemann supercharger upgrade, that brings this baby to 560hp/718nm.
But I was thinking, AMG is all about super fast cars; and almost every model from '00 or so has got one. But why didnt AMG put one in the ML 55, considering that it IS possible (if Kleemann can do it).
So is there a serious technical reason why AMG didnt do it? In other words.. can I expect some problems on the long term (or short) if I let Kleeman ''finish the job'' ??
I'm considering the ML 55 with the Kleemann supercharger upgrade, that brings this baby to 560hp/718nm.
But I was thinking, AMG is all about super fast cars; and almost every model from '00 or so has got one. But why didnt AMG put one in the ML 55, considering that it IS possible (if Kleemann can do it).
So is there a serious technical reason why AMG didnt do it? In other words.. can I expect some problems on the long term (or short) if I let Kleeman ''finish the job'' ??
Last edited by Clyde; Dec 4, 2004 at 03:30 PM.
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Originally Posted by Clyde
But I was thinking, AMG is all about super fast cars; and almost every model from '00 or so has got one. But why didnt AMG put one in the ML 55, considering that it IS possible (if Kleemann can do it).
Hope this helps
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Doing some research on the superchargers came up with this, if anyone is interested:
http://www.mbautowerks.com/performance/00013/00013.html
http://www.mbautowerks.com/performance/00013/00013.html
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Originally Posted by mbakshi
....... The 5.5L V8 was only supercharged from 2003, in the E55K, SL55K, S55K, and CL55K. ........
to correct you; the SL55 started January 2002 here in Europe....
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PS.: the reason for NON-Charging the ML - was the gearbox ......
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Originally Posted by Walter.fr
Sorry Sir,
to correct you; the SL55 started January 2002 here in Europe....
kind regards from France
Walter
PS.: the reason for NON-Charging the ML - was the gearbox ......
to correct you; the SL55 started January 2002 here in Europe....
kind regards from France
Walter
PS.: the reason for NON-Charging the ML - was the gearbox ......
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Clyde,
The gearbox and the 4x4 was constructed to be able to stand the power of the ML55 (+/- 10 %) therefore as well most of the European tuners are not developing over these figures....
I tried for month to find some "upgrade" for my ML55 as well, and got told by the European MB/AMG tuners that this is the reason for the "low" output - even after tuning for this engine. I am not a gearbox specialist as well - therefore I had to believe these engineers.
kind regards from France
Walter
The gearbox and the 4x4 was constructed to be able to stand the power of the ML55 (+/- 10 %) therefore as well most of the European tuners are not developing over these figures....
I tried for month to find some "upgrade" for my ML55 as well, and got told by the European MB/AMG tuners that this is the reason for the "low" output - even after tuning for this engine. I am not a gearbox specialist as well - therefore I had to believe these engineers.
kind regards from France
Walter
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Originally Posted by Walter.fr
Sorry Sir,
to correct you; the SL55 started January 2002 here in Europe....
kind regards from France
Walter
to correct you; the SL55 started January 2002 here in Europe....
kind regards from France
Walter
Originally Posted by Walter.fr
PS.: the reason for NON-Charging the ML - was the gearbox ......
And plus, the ML drivetrain was originally designed to handle the V12 engine from the 600's. The ML55 wasn't on the drawing boards until later - it was not a design target for the original drivetrain setup.
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well the 600 motor at the time had relatively the same output as the 55 engine (the 600 had slightly more torque i believe). AFAIK the ML500 and 55 share the same exact drivetrain, the 55 just has a different transmission computer. I think there were several reasons for not adding the kompressor... the 55 sales were falling and was discontinued, the transmission and transfer case were not strong enough to reliably handle the vast increase in power.
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General price for Kleeman mods to ML55
Talked to the local MB who does Kleeman mods. Doing a quick mental tally of things while the mech was talking came to around $20K. He said the difference between before and after was black and white, a totally different truck.
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Originally Posted by Bilal
AMG's ML wasn't a big seller in the first place so I guess that it didn't warrant the need for extra power?
Mercedes sold 12120 ML55 AMG (W163.174) through 12/2003. MBUSA sold about 4000 of them and it was their most popular AMG model.
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Originally Posted by AlBoston
the transmission and transfer case were not strong enough to reliably handle the vast increase in power.
The M-class transfer case (all models) can handle an input torque of 1580 lb-ft, and should thus have been strong enough for the kompressor several times over..
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Doesn't the ML55 AMG use the 722.6 W5A580 which is also used in other models with kompressor? I can't see why it should not have worked in the ML.
The M-class transfer case (all models) can handle an input torque of 1580 lb-ft, and should thus have been strong enough for the kompressor several times over..
The M-class transfer case (all models) can handle an input torque of 1580 lb-ft, and should thus have been strong enough for the kompressor several times over..
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While the gear box was strong for what it was, it could not handle the extra power over a prolonged period of time as well as the type of driving that is accomponied with it. The Torsion bar system was also not a great platform to start on with something with 500hp
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2002 Mercedes-Benz ML55 AMG
The bulk of them were made in 00 and 01, very few ML55's in 02 and 03.
amg-mercedes.com/privatelounge has the exact breakdown year by year.
ML 55 AMG
2000 2084
2001 1105
2002 735
2003 150
2000 2084
2001 1105
2002 735
2003 150
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Looks like the ML55 AMG was MBUSA's AMG bestseller in 2000.
C 43 AMG
2000 91
E 55 AMG
2000 1203
ML 55 AMG
2000 2084
And also did quite well in 2001, compared with MBUSA's other AMG models.
CL 55 AMG
2001 303
CLK 55 AMG Coupe
2001 1343
E 55 AMG
2001 653
ML 55 AMG
2001 1105
S 55 AMG
2001 1042
Numbers from: http://www.topgearage.com/?p=260
C 43 AMG
2000 91
E 55 AMG
2000 1203
ML 55 AMG
2000 2084
And also did quite well in 2001, compared with MBUSA's other AMG models.
CL 55 AMG
2001 303
CLK 55 AMG Coupe
2001 1343
E 55 AMG
2001 653
ML 55 AMG
2001 1105
S 55 AMG
2001 1042
Numbers from: http://www.topgearage.com/?p=260
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so... supercharger or no? lol one day id like to do it once i dont need the truck aspect of it...
does anyone know the constant tourqe the transfer case can handle? 500hp would be nice...
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does anyone know the constant tourqe the transfer case can handle? 500hp would be nice...
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You Can supercharge an ML 55
I have a 2001 ML 55 and thought from day one the veh needed more power. Kleemann in CO still does the set-up and I believe it runs about $18,000 or so. Prices may be less now that there's not a lot of demand for it for the ML 55, BUT it would still have to be well north of $10,000. Call Cory at Kleemann USA and ask him.
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I am working on putting the powerdyne supercharger on my ML. I have Kleeman headers and sports cats in the garage awaiting help from the right person on the powerdyne mounting. According to what I have been told the drivetrain can handle the power
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Powerdyne makes one for the ML 55?? I though most of their applications were domestic??? Kleemann yes, Powerdyne???
