syswei

link

and consequently will be slower 0-60 than the pure-ICE S500...0-100kph in 5.0s for the S560e (link) vs 4.8 for the I6 S500.

michaelleongcl

Its a pity that they went for the old v6. I was expecting the new in line 6 to be there.

OSA91

I think I6 got issues with dimensional measures since it has the same length of V12 engine. but the V6 has a length of an I3 engine.

I prefer the S500 I6 engine since it gives a smoother ride and I hope its a significant difference too because thats what I read in many articles!

docsout

So, with all this gnashing of teeth, will the i6 eventually find its way to the S Class?

syswei

People on this forum have said MY2019 for the US. Seems available, or at least orderable, in Europe right now...link

[EDIT:] I mean the ICE S500. It isn't clear to me that the W222 hybrid will get the I6. Conceivably they could wait until W223.

OSA91

can the new S500 shut off engine and run completely on battery?

syswei

Only very briefly since the S500 is a MILD hybrid. Here's an article.

OSA91

S500 I6 engine makes 35 mpg which is great but S560e makes 112 mpg.

112 MPG! it's too good to be true!

Wolfman

Don't know why this would be disappointing. The inline engines barely made it into the S-Class with none of them coming to the US until later.

It's a low volume car; as such little money goes to the R&D until the S-Class gets electrified.
The S-Class hybrid is a bridge model that received the necessary updates but nothing more until there will be a significant revamp with the W223

ItalianJoe1

The S class is available with a V12, so it would fit just fine.

The I6 also has no outside belt driven accessories, so it's actually quite small. It would free up space and weight, but it's clearly not ready for production yet.

syswei

Not sure where you are seeing these numbers. I've heard that European mpg ratings for EVs are way overoptimistic...maybe the same is true of hybrids?

syswei

It's disappointing to me because if I spend this much on a car, I prefer to have the best available technology. Adding a significant amount of HP and torque due to hybridization, but more than losing any advantage (and ending up with something SLOWER) by going with a previous-generation engine just doesn't cut it for me. Expecting the I6 in the S560e, I had just about convinced myself that I'd be willing to give up AWD in order to get hybrid.

But as it stands now, I'd never get a S560e with the old V6. Either a S500 or S560 (no e), or a next-gen A8 hybrid, or wait for the W223 or something else entirely, for me.

OSA91

I mean, I didn't see V12 electrified. and I6 length is approximately the same as V12 so that's the reason S###e should come with a V6 and not V8, V12 or I6.

Maybe there is no issues with engine compartment length and I just made this up too

OSA91

I converted Liters per 100 km to US mpg and this is the result I found

Wolfman

Understood, they just didn't do it for the facelift. The new engine will need to be adapted for a plug-in hybrid and the current electrical system in the 560e is not 48V yet (400V + 12V)

syswei

Ah, but the I6 S500 is here now and IS 48V mild hybrid. I would think it shouldn't be all that much effort to make it a full hybrid I6 S560e, but then I'm not an engineer.

hyperion667

No one is wanting the V8 anymore? or they just won't offer it? That's what drew me to MB in the first place. A V8.

syswei

Of course they're going to offer it for the S-Class for the forseeable future. In my case though the I6 which does 0-62 in 4.8s is plenty...it is just as fast as the pre-FL V8...and I appreciate the mild hybrid efficiency.

syswei

I just noticed that the German MB site lists the S500 only in RWD, at least for now. Disappointed again.

Wolfman

Sounds like a more significant effort to me.

Don't expect the S500 to make it to the US anytime soon either, if at all with the W222. This car would be difficult to position in the US.

Wolfman

I just heard that the new iPhone X won't make me breakfast in the morning either. Disappointed again.

OSA91

I prefer RWD myself because AWD involves more mechanical parts and it wears within time. So RWD is simpler to fix and requires less attention.

although the S500 did 0-62 in 4.8 seconds in RWD. So AWD will make it probably faster than the S560 RWD which is bad for their marketing strategy!