Ted Baldwin

As you can see from Sleestacks posts a clk55k does 12.415 in 1/4 time and you're saying that a W211 55 will outperform a na 55 engine?


.............I just saw the post. Even at that, it shows that the CLK55K is a tad slower to reach the quatermile compared to w21E55. (12.42 vs 12.4). Even you decide that the numbers are the same, the biggest suprise to most is how damn fast the E55 is. Because ordinarily, you would not have even thought that a stock E55 can do that. Then if you consider the difference in price, the E55 becomes an even better bargain. Yes the CLK55K "feels" faster but it is not faster. With the E55, you can be going very fast but not feel it. I don't neccessarily prefer this, but the car is damn fast.

Ted

JamE55

Guess we just have to different views as to how fast these machines will go. Maybe one day someone can do a comparison between the 2.

Sleestack

If you are comparing a HPS supercharged 430 and a Kleemann SCed 430, the comparison is even worse. As I said, the HPS supercharged 55 puts out less power than my CLK when it was a Kleemann SCed 430. The HPS system on a 430 produces over 60 hp less than the Kleemann system, not 30. The HPS sytem costs $8,500 (per their website), and the Kleemann system costs $16,000, giving you a difference of $7,500 In any case, it's not just about the HP. It's about the quality and R&D put into the products. As for me, I want the best for my MB, and IMO, Kleemann offers a far superior product.

Sleestack

They're both fast, expensive and great cars. The difference between 12.4 and 12.42 is a rounded number. They both have traction issues and could be helped by some wider rubber. In the end, they're both going to get spanked by my CLK

JamE55

Lol! true

Hank

Based on theoreticals?

Sleestack

Notice I used the future tense... and yes, for the time being (although not for long), based on assumptions (I don't think theoreticals is even a noun). I think the assumptions are pretty sound... bigger engine, better parts, bigger displacement supercharger, lighter overall weight, stiffer chassis, custom suspension, wider wheels and tuned ECU.

Are you still stuck driving a 6 banger?

CHB

ok, what about stillen? they offer 510hp

pocholin

Well remember, James Cannon is running a N/A E55 with a renntech s/c and it runs faster than the W211 E55, so it is possible.

Hank

:p and

dtkw

Each should be happy with whatever he or she chosed and not to say other's are not good as his or hers. Seriously, your own opinion is more important than others' about your own car. You are happy with Kleenman, good, you are happy with HPS, good. They are two different companies with different ideas on what is best for performance. You choose whatever you think is best for your need and there is no rifght or wrong of what you did. To me, it's more or less comparing an red apple with a green apple. Whatever you choose, happy motioring and drive safely. Power came with responisibilites.

JamE55

Exactly what i'm saying. Guess each car is different no matter how the setup is.

Ted Baldwin

..........I imagine that if you put an F-16 engine in your Na AMG55 it will probably fly. Everything is possible if you have the money. My point is that at only $76K, the new W211 E55 is a bargain and outperforms pretty much everything out there except the most extreme machines such as Sleestacks upcoming car. But by the time you get your car to the level of a W211 E55 or better, you would have spent a small fortune.

Ted

pocholin

Good point

Hank

O/T: speaking of small fortunes, anyone know the approx. cost of the upcoming xx65 ///AMGs?

Sleestack

No disagreement there. It is unbelievable to me that the E55 is priced lower than the RS6. $76K is a great price for a stellar car that looks great and burns some serious rubber.

speedybenz

Sleestack says:

They're both fast, expensive and great cars. The difference between 12.4 and 12.42 is a rounded number. They both have traction issues and could be helped by some wider rubber. In the end, they're both going to get spanked by my CLK.



Your car may be a straight line rocket, but after the first set of corners I will just wave bye, bye in my C43.

Jeff

moedigga

Haha ya gotta love them 202 boys!!!-MOE

Sleestack

Maybe because you're a better driver but not because of your car. My car will have custom built coilovers and sway bars and a chromaly rollcage that will greatly improve the handling. Furthermore, it's going to be hard to over come 700 hp and 700 lb/ft torque.

speedybenz

Sleestack says;

Well 700 Hp is a lot of Hp but is will only be good for 1 sec or so at a track. So really not a hugh deal. My car already has all of chassis stuff that your wanting to add to yours plus more stuff. But no roll cage. I do have chassis stiffening bars. And I have the advantage of already driving mine.

I still will have a better chassis so make sure your helmet is strapped on tight when I come by.

Jeff

Sleestack

That really depends on which track. On a track like Willowsprings, it's going to make a much bigger difference than on a track like Buttonwillow. I already have MKB swaybars and Kleemann suspension on my car and have seen it dust much better handling cars at Buttonwillow and ride the tail of a tuned Z06 at the same track. The car will only handle better with custom coilovers and a chromaly rollcage. I don't think the chassis you are riding on is better than the CLK chassis fitted with a chromally rollcage. Furthermore, my CLK will have the stopping power of 15" Brembos. In any case, my driving skills aren't all that so I wouldn't be surprised if you dusted me on a track. Nevertheless, with similar drivers, I don't believe your car has a chance. I'm not trying to dog your car, it's just that with the amount of resources going into my car, it's going to be hard for your car to keep up.

I don't live too far from Sacramentp, so if you would like to check out the CLK when it gets back, I'd be glad to meet up with you.

speedybenz

I am sure your car is going to be top notch and it would be nice to hook up with you to see it.

But my suspesion setup is far more advanced than the Kleeman shock and springs and I have custom sway bars and other parts to achieve handling beyond the normal. I know for certain that the Kleeman springs are not stiff enough to really hold the car from roll induced camber changes that kill traction through long corners.

I also have very big nonstock brakes.

At Willow Springs the thing that makes for a very fast lap is corner speed. I don't think your 700 Hp will be enough to catch me if I can come out of turn 9, 10mph faster, plus I have hundreds of laps there on my Superbikes mostly with lap times of 1min 22-23 sec.

Anyhow it would be fun to meet at the track.

Jeff.

Sleestack

The Kleemann suspension is defintely not a true track oriented suspension, however, the suspension that is going into the car will be a true race suspension. Keep in mind that over a 16 months of R&D and a gross amount of money has gone into this car to make it a true street-to-track car. Almost all of that time and money has gone into the engine, transmission and chassis/suspension. I'm not the right person to test the car at a track, however, the guys at Evosport (who use Willowsprings for their testing and their driving courses) would surely give you a run for the money.

speedybenz

I look forward to it.

Jeff

J Irwan

Wow...

this is getting interesting..


Regardz,