Schrick Camshafts available for most Mercedes models!
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Schrick Camshafts available for most Mercedes models!
With a limited amount of performance upgrades available for the Mercedes-Benz, I wanted to share with our fellow MBWorlders one of the commonly overlooked upgrades offered by Schrick. Schrick manufacturers cams, used by virtually every aftermarket tuner, for most Mercedes applications including: the M111 (pre 2003 230k motors, C180, C220, E230, CLK200), M112 V6 (240, 320), M113 V8 (430, 500, 55) and M137 V12 motors.
These cams will typically net about 20-25hp, and are crucial in unlocking some of your engine's hidden power.
Please contact me for pricing and availability.
Regards,
Ben
These cams will typically net about 20-25hp, and are crucial in unlocking some of your engine's hidden power.
Please contact me for pricing and availability.
Regards,
Ben
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2014 GLK250 BlueTec & 2009 ML320 BlueTec
Ben I'm interested, please e-mail me with pricing, specifications (duration of the cams) and what's included, like harder springs, etc.
Also how much will they increase the max rpm?... will they have an effect on the powerchip?...will I have to remap the ecu?, are they worth it without headers? etc.
Thanks.
Also how much will they increase the max rpm?... will they have an effect on the powerchip?...will I have to remap the ecu?, are they worth it without headers? etc.
Thanks.
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Tom,
I tried calling you today, but I think your cell phone was having issues...you must have the same provider as me!
Cams on your 430 are good for 20hp (without headers), and do not require any other accessories. I have the specs at work, but I'd be happy to help you with that tomorrow. Simply stated, these are the only 430 cams on the market.
It is not necessary to remap the ECU, but it definitely will not hurt.
Let me know if you are interested, I can have them to you within a week.
Thanks,
Ben
I tried calling you today, but I think your cell phone was having issues...you must have the same provider as me!
Cams on your 430 are good for 20hp (without headers), and do not require any other accessories. I have the specs at work, but I'd be happy to help you with that tomorrow. Simply stated, these are the only 430 cams on the market.
It is not necessary to remap the ECU, but it definitely will not hurt.
Let me know if you are interested, I can have them to you within a week.
Thanks,
Ben
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AMG C43, 1999
Hi Ben,
What is the cam lift comparision between the Schrick and C43?
Also is it possible to make the stock MB cam sprockets adjustable to set the cam timing to the tuners/installers personal specs?
I also see the V12 engines have slightly higher lift cams. Is that due to a higher lift cam or a different lifter ratio? And if the V12 has a different lifter ratio can we install this on our V8?
Sorry for all the questions. I am just a curious kind of guy.
Jeff
What is the cam lift comparision between the Schrick and C43?
Also is it possible to make the stock MB cam sprockets adjustable to set the cam timing to the tuners/installers personal specs?
I also see the V12 engines have slightly higher lift cams. Is that due to a higher lift cam or a different lifter ratio? And if the V12 has a different lifter ratio can we install this on our V8?
Sorry for all the questions. I am just a curious kind of guy.
Jeff
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999hpCLK,
To my knowledge, the majority, if not all, of the cams available for the Mercedes are made by Schrick. If you take a 275hp 430 motor, add software good for 25hp, cams good for 20hp, and better octane, you get very close to 330hp...
Jeff,
I do not have the ratios of the C43 handy, do you have the specs on them? To my knowledge, there currently is no way to set the cam timing, other than having them built custom (which we can do if there is enough demand).
Yes, while the V6 and V8 cams have the same profile, the V12 is different. To be honest with you, I have done little research into this cam, as the majority of interest we see is for the V8 and V6 motors. The V12 cams will not fit in the V8 motor. I may be building some custom-spec cams for my supercharger. Let's chat offline, and see if maybe we are both looking for the same/similiar option. However, I'm fairly confident that for your naturally aspirated 4.3, the current Schrick profile is correct for you.
Regards,
Ben
To my knowledge, the majority, if not all, of the cams available for the Mercedes are made by Schrick. If you take a 275hp 430 motor, add software good for 25hp, cams good for 20hp, and better octane, you get very close to 330hp...
Jeff,
I do not have the ratios of the C43 handy, do you have the specs on them? To my knowledge, there currently is no way to set the cam timing, other than having them built custom (which we can do if there is enough demand).
Yes, while the V6 and V8 cams have the same profile, the V12 is different. To be honest with you, I have done little research into this cam, as the majority of interest we see is for the V8 and V6 motors. The V12 cams will not fit in the V8 motor. I may be building some custom-spec cams for my supercharger. Let's chat offline, and see if maybe we are both looking for the same/similiar option. However, I'm fairly confident that for your naturally aspirated 4.3, the current Schrick profile is correct for you.
Regards,
Ben
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Pricing on the cams are as follows:
4 cyl M111 - $1799 plus $450 for the recommended lifters.
V6 M112 - $2349
V8 M113 - $2490
I am open to holding a MBWorld special if there is enough interest.
Regards,
Ben
nov0798 - You can anticipate approximately 15-20hp gained on the V6.
4 cyl M111 - $1799 plus $450 for the recommended lifters.
V6 M112 - $2349
V8 M113 - $2490
I am open to holding a MBWorld special if there is enough interest.
Regards,
Ben
nov0798 - You can anticipate approximately 15-20hp gained on the V6.
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$2,000 definitely isn't pocket change for most people, but the reality is, with a limited supply of Mercedes performance upgrades available, there are only so many great deals one can get before they must pay larger amounts in order to achieve the same results. After one has already bought pulleys, software, and plugs/wires, there really isn't much else available for under these prices.
I have seen these cams offered by other tuners for well over $4,000. In comparison, these prices are a great value.
Thanks,
Ben
I have seen these cams offered by other tuners for well over $4,000. In comparison, these prices are a great value.
Thanks,
Ben
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$2500 for a Mercedes adding 20hp isn't that bad unless you are nov0798, and you have a personal grudge against evosport. Have you noticed that everything with Mercedes comes at a price premium? Even the car! 
I'd grab this up if I could do mods on my car, but seeing how it's a Lexus and not a Mercedes I'm at a sort of disadvantage here 
I'd grab this up if I could do mods on my car, but seeing how it's a Lexus and not a Mercedes I'm at a sort of disadvantage here
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With pulleys at $30 per HP,and software at $35 per HP, those are real bargains, and they are basically bolt on and I can't understand anybody into mods not doing them, just adding plugs/wires you got 50 horsepower extra for only $2,000
Cams is the next level in where you go inside the engine, replacing parts which are more expensive, but if you wan't more out of your engine, that's the only way before spending real money with full mods or supercharging.
So 50 HP with pulleys, software and plugs/wires + 20-25 HP with the cams we got the CLK430 to 350 HP, which is CLK55 territory and way over the E46 M3. Not bad for around $4,000 and that's not counting the extra HP you get from free flow intake/exhaust, probably close to 360 HP.
Cams is the next level in where you go inside the engine, replacing parts which are more expensive, but if you wan't more out of your engine, that's the only way before spending real money with full mods or supercharging.
So 50 HP with pulleys, software and plugs/wires + 20-25 HP with the cams we got the CLK430 to 350 HP, which is CLK55 territory and way over the E46 M3. Not bad for around $4,000 and that's not counting the extra HP you get from free flow intake/exhaust, probably close to 360 HP.
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Originally posted by vraa
$2500 for a Mercedes adding 20hp isn't that bad unless you are nov0798, and you have a personal grudge against evosport. Have you noticed that everything with Mercedes comes at a price premium? Even the car! I'd grab this up if I could do mods on my car, but seeing how it's a Lexus and not a Mercedes I'm at a sort of disadvantage here
$2500 for a Mercedes adding 20hp isn't that bad unless you are nov0798, and you have a personal grudge against evosport. Have you noticed that everything with Mercedes comes at a price premium? Even the car!
I'd grab this up if I could do mods on my car, but seeing how it's a Lexus and not a Mercedes I'm at a sort of disadvantage here
Not everyone has rich parents, most of us have to work hard as **** for this typically obsurd pricing. Thank you for the right to open our wallets. I dislike you more and more with every post of yours I read. You are a smartass spoiled little biatch.
This would be too expensive for some of people. Others, it is just not what they want to spend their $2500 on.
I for one want a set. I have some other things to do first, then this is HIGH on the list of priorities, yet, I still rock my stock C7 wheels. Go figure.
Ben, thanks for the emails.
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'79 300D, '85 300Dt, '99 CLK430
If I were to have powerchip for 20hp, then would these cams even work well? Isn't the chip configured for stock cams, so if one puts in other cams, wont the settings get messed up? Resaulting in a loss of power? Would it not be better to fine tune the ecu to the new cams, to make most out of them?
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The Powerchip ECU upgrade is normally tuned for a stock motor, however they have the ability to develop custom tuned programs to meet virtually any modifications. Being that they offer an upgrade program for their customers, any necessary software changes should not be overly difficult. For the most part, in order to make a custom-tuned cam program, all they would need would be an accurate graph of the air/fuel ratio to determine what, if any, changes would need to be made.
Thanks,
Ben
Thanks,
Ben
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Originally posted by Mach430
all they would need would be an accurate graph of the air/fuel ratio to determine what, if any, changes would need to be made.
all they would need would be an accurate graph of the air/fuel ratio to determine what, if any, changes would need to be made.
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Idealy, you would want to get a dyno (with a/f ratio) of the car about 100 miles after installing the cams to get an accurate reading after most ECU adaptation has taken place.
Thanks,
Ben
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Ben
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Sorry for asking so many questions, you have been really helpfull!
I think I will get a powerchip within a month. Then in the summer, I'll be down in the US, so I'll have evosport install the cams, and then have the ecu retuned.
Not many tuning places here in Canada
Thanks for all your help
I think I will get a powerchip within a month. Then in the summer, I'll be down in the US, so I'll have evosport install the cams, and then have the ecu retuned.
Not many tuning places here in Canada Thanks for all your help
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No problem, I enjoy helping.
I would definitely recommend our underdrive pulleys, Powerchip software, and ignition stage I/II prior to the cams, as they will provide a better bang for the buck.
Having the cams installed @ evosport would be helpful, as we could have Powerchip present to custom tune the software for your car on our dyno.
Regards,
Ben
I would definitely recommend our underdrive pulleys, Powerchip software, and ignition stage I/II prior to the cams, as they will provide a better bang for the buck.
Having the cams installed @ evosport would be helpful, as we could have Powerchip present to custom tune the software for your car on our dyno.
Regards,
Ben
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Ya, in 2 weeks or so I'm sending my ecu into powerchip. Then before summer comes around, I'll order the pulleys and perhaps the ignition stages. I still have to figure out my summer plans, I might go to europe. But I would really like to go down to cali and check out some exotic cars and evosport hq.
Also, just like this tread: https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...threadid=64380
Whats the difference between them performance wise?
Also, just like this tread: https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...threadid=64380
Whats the difference between them performance wise?
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