best headers?
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best headers?
I've searched the forum, and found everyone saying different things. Which are the best headers for performance gains? MKB, Kleemann, supersprint, or evosport? 
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how much is the kleemann cost ? more expensive than supersprint. I got a supersprint header for my CLK320 but it wont' fit that is why i m looking into the kleemann one. where can i find some pic ?
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how much is the kleemann cost ? more expensive than supersprint. I got a supersprint header for my CLK320 but it wont' fit that is why i m looking into the kleemann one. where can i find some pic ?
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Originally posted by tery
how much is the kleemann cost ? more expensive than supersprint. I got a supersprint header for my CLK320 but it wont' fit that is why i m looking into the kleemann one. where can i find some pic ?
how much is the kleemann cost ? more expensive than supersprint. I got a supersprint header for my CLK320 but it wont' fit that is why i m looking into the kleemann one. where can i find some pic ?
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I have done a lot with cars and looked at the headers on the clk55. These are pretty good parts. You will not see any HP inprovement on a Natual aspired car. Maybe 5-10 at the top RPM only.
Work on the exhaust first. Cut the resonator.
Work on the exhaust first. Cut the resonator.
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Re: headers
Originally posted by gregc
I have done a lot with cars and looked at the headers on the clk55. These are pretty good parts. You will not see any HP inprovement on a Natual aspired car. Maybe 5-10 at the top RPM only.
Work on the exhaust first. Cut the resonator.
I have done a lot with cars and looked at the headers on the clk55. These are pretty good parts. You will not see any HP inprovement on a Natual aspired car. Maybe 5-10 at the top RPM only.
Work on the exhaust first. Cut the resonator.
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Originally posted by jco-amg
Sleestack...
Where did you get you MKB headers?...did you get anything else from them?
thanks
Sleestack...
Where did you get you MKB headers?...did you get anything else from them?
thanks
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That's great...somehow I missed that you were doing this
what car is this on?
I have heard good things about MKB form Germany and was planning on bumping up my 55 when it comes and MKB is first on my list
Are you happy with it?
Are outputs as advertised?
Did you send the car to Oberklasse or have it done locally?
Did they give a decent warrantee on their work and parts?
Thanks in advance
what car is this on?
I have heard good things about MKB form Germany and was planning on bumping up my 55 when it comes and MKB is first on my list
Are you happy with it?
Are outputs as advertised?
Did you send the car to Oberklasse or have it done locally?
Did they give a decent warrantee on their work and parts?
Thanks in advance
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All OE MB manifolds are essentially the same awful junk one model to the next. As CoryU mentioned they are a "log" type manifold with a tiny downpipe. MB uses the same manifold, for example, on a W211 E500 N/A as on the W211 E55 SC. Do you really think a 41 +/- mm down pipe can flow the volume of air to support 500+ hp with no restriction? We have measured upwards of 15 psi in the manifold at WOT on the 55 SC engine with EGT's over 850 C. Backpressure falls to 5 psi with our headers and downpipes, EGT's to 650 C.
MB will use the same ex manifold on all engines in the same chassis- EG: W208 CLK 430 and 55 will have identical PN's etc.
MB will use the same ex manifold on all engines in the same chassis- EG: W208 CLK 430 and 55 will have identical PN's etc.
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Originally posted by jco-amg
That's great...somehow I missed that you were doing this
what car is this on?
I have heard good things about MKB form Germany and was planning on bumping up my 55 when it comes and MKB is first on my list
Are you happy with it?
Are outputs as advertised?
Did you send the car to Oberklasse or have it done locally?
Did they give a decent warrantee on their work and parts?
Thanks in advance
That's great...somehow I missed that you were doing this
what car is this on?
I have heard good things about MKB form Germany and was planning on bumping up my 55 when it comes and MKB is first on my list
Are you happy with it?
Are outputs as advertised?
Did you send the car to Oberklasse or have it done locally?
Did they give a decent warrantee on their work and parts?
Thanks in advance
Actually, I'm not sure if it was MKB's pricing or Oberklasse's markup. I shipped my car to Oberklasse. I wasn't totally thrilled with my Oberklasse experience. I have alot of respect for their principal owner, Jerry, but they don't really have their act together when it comes to running a business. Furthermore, while their work on the engine work was top notch, I question their decisions on some other components. Hopefully they have a better manager now.
I don't remember anything about the terms of their warranty. I never had a problem, so it never became an issue.
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Thanks alot for the evaluation...if I go the MKB route I want to use a local shop so I can track the work and have a place to drop in on that knows the car...thanks again
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03 CLK55
I always thought that the stock manifold was restrictive...
Originally posted by CoryU
Pretty good parts?? It's a dual wall, log-type manifold with a 41mm collector! Talk about a nighmare from a mass airflow standpoint. The KLEEMANN headers feature a 62mm collector (for the W208 set, 70mm for the R230 and W211 sets). We've yet to dyno a N/A car with our headers, but testing with a few OBDII "performance meters" have revealed gains in the 20-25HP range. Much more on supercharged vehciles. IMHO, the stock manifolds only represent a pumping restriction and can only be improved upon.
Pretty good parts?? It's a dual wall, log-type manifold with a 41mm collector! Talk about a nighmare from a mass airflow standpoint. The KLEEMANN headers feature a 62mm collector (for the W208 set, 70mm for the R230 and W211 sets). We've yet to dyno a N/A car with our headers, but testing with a few OBDII "performance meters" have revealed gains in the 20-25HP range. Much more on supercharged vehciles. IMHO, the stock manifolds only represent a pumping restriction and can only be improved upon.
Note that I said "manifold" and not headers, since I wouldn't call the stocker a header. In addition to the above mentioned points by Cory, isn't it also logical to assume that the Kleeman headers promote some exhaust scavenging as well? I have YET to hear even one semi-negative thing about Kleeman, and they have my upmost confidence!!
Cory- Would you mind PM'ing or e-mailing me a price for headrs for my 03 209 CLK55? Thanks in advance!!
Best regards,
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Ben do You still have them for W210 E430 because I dont see them on Evosport page no more. If yes what are the gains with Kleemann Kompressor and please e mail me the price of them.
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MKB Price Any Ideas
Hello everyone ,
This is my very first post on the forum and would like to let all know it is a really forum and one can get all knowladge possible about thier mercedes here .
I have a C180 well thats what is available here in India and the other varient introuduced recently is the C200K but its very very expensive ,
I was wondering how much are the MKB kits - I mean the headers and the exhaust . Any ideas .
Thank you very much
This is my very first post on the forum and would like to let all know it is a really forum and one can get all knowladge possible about thier mercedes here .
I have a C180 well thats what is available here in India and the other varient introuduced recently is the C200K but its very very expensive ,
I was wondering how much are the MKB kits - I mean the headers and the exhaust . Any ideas .
Thank you very much
