Kleemann, what's next???
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Kleemann, what's next???
Now that I have my pulley kit installed, I'm addicted to the power. But, like other addictions, its never enough!! What is the next step for more power? Do you make an intake camshaft?
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Intercooler, gbreeder !!! Buellwinkle, give me an idea when he came to my house and saw an extra Factory 230 intercooler lying in my garage and told me to send it out to a intercooler compamy to have them make a bigger (thicker) one. That will be my next mods.
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Re: Kleemann, what's next???
Originally posted by gbreeder
Now that I have my pulley kit installed, I'm addicted to the power. But, like other addictions, its never enough!! What is the next step for more power? Do you make an intake camshaft?
Now that I have my pulley kit installed, I'm addicted to the power. But, like other addictions, its never enough!! What is the next step for more power? Do you make an intake camshaft?
Yesterday I sent a intercooler company lots of pictures and measurements of the factory intercooler. I'll give them a call mid week after they had a chance to absorb the info. They are eager to produce it.
Also, what Kleemann kit did you install? The ring or pulley? The pulley should get you 8hp more according to Brandon. Let me know if you are interested in our alloy pulley group buy. We have about 26 people on the interest list and the current price for the alloy pulley is $350 and installation is a do it yourself job (changing the light bulbs took me almost as long).
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Re: Kleemann, what's next???
Originally posted by gbreeder
Now that I have my pulley kit installed, I'm addicted to the power. But, like other addictions, its never enough!! What is the next step for more power? Do you make an intake camshaft?
Now that I have my pulley kit installed, I'm addicted to the power. But, like other addictions, its never enough!! What is the next step for more power? Do you make an intake camshaft?
There is almost nothing to be gained from an open element airfilter or "cold air intake"- the major restriction in the pumping system is insdie the throttle box. Ex systems bring nice noise to the table but I have yet to see one that brings any power worth talking about ( 2-3hp just doesnt cut it as this can be machine error from the dyno).
4 to 2 to 1 ex header may be worth looking at too- MBZ manifolds are not exactly tuned for maximum attack.
Of cource the intercooler is another obvious place to look- most of the available soulutions will set you back $3K plus- Im assuming you want something a little less brutal than that. Air density is where its at however- a general rule of thumb is that for every 10 deg F you can reduce intake temps you have the potential for 1% more power. You do the math!!
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ReigerSLK installed a custom intecooler with a core from Spearco (the core costs $380). He had someone make the end tanks and attachments. It's 4 1/2" thick compared to the factory 2" thick intercooler.
Does anyone know if there are any differences between the pre-2000 SLK230 intercoolers and the ones in the newer SLK230s or C-Coupes.
Also, does anyone know if there's a sensor that measures air intake temps on the C-Coupe or SLK that you can read with an ODBII scanner?
Does anyone know if there are any differences between the pre-2000 SLK230 intercoolers and the ones in the newer SLK230s or C-Coupes.
Also, does anyone know if there's a sensor that measures air intake temps on the C-Coupe or SLK that you can read with an ODBII scanner?
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Originally posted by Buellwinkle
ReigerSLK installed a custom intecooler with a core from Spearco (the core costs $380). He had someone make the end tanks and attachments. It's 4 1/2" thick compared to the factory 2" thick intercooler.
Does anyone know if there are any differences between the pre-2000 SLK230 intercoolers and the ones in the newer SLK230s or C-Coupes.
Also, does anyone know if there's a sensor that measures air intake temps on the C-Coupe or SLK that you can read with an ODBII scanner?
ReigerSLK installed a custom intecooler with a core from Spearco (the core costs $380). He had someone make the end tanks and attachments. It's 4 1/2" thick compared to the factory 2" thick intercooler.
Does anyone know if there are any differences between the pre-2000 SLK230 intercoolers and the ones in the newer SLK230s or C-Coupes.
Also, does anyone know if there's a sensor that measures air intake temps on the C-Coupe or SLK that you can read with an ODBII scanner?
Both old and new M111 intercoolers make great door stops- one is not better than the other.
A thick core does not make a better intercooler by default. Minimal pressure drop and high tube/fin density are what you are looking for. The SPEARCO core undoubtedly works better- but so would a wet rag compared to the standard IC.
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The SPEARCO core undoubtedly works better- but so would a wet rag compared to the standard IC.
The SPEARCO core undoubtedly works better- but so would a wet rag compared to the standard IC.
So who's the king of intercoolers (at a reasonable price)? I like Spearco only because they are local in Los Angeles. I've sent them the specs on the factory intercooler hoping they would suggest something. Thicker is easier as there is room and it maintains the same frontal area and hopefully the duct work will still fit. Also contacted a company called fluid control products as they only do low volume custom work. Evosport said they are working on it also. I think there is going to be a demand after everyone that has a pulley get's bored and asks what's next. Chipping is the next best bang for the buck but the intercooler is the next big power jump for the buck after that.
I'm only interested in getting an intercooler for myself and few interested people on the forum but I can tell you that none of us will spend $3,000 for an intercooler let alone what Renntech or Vaeth wants. I'm hoping for under a $1,000 similar to what's sold for other forced induction cars.
Also, does that Fluke sensor replace the factory sensor?
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There is a book by Corky Bell called "Maximum Boost". There are several chapters describing IC design and applied theory etc. SPEARCO does make a nice core to be sure- we dont use air to air core so I am of little help.
The FLUKE is a handheld meter like a DVM that reads K type thermo couples- it does not replace the stock sensor (its insdie the MAF in any event). Air temp effects density so it is an important aspect of the air mass calculation for the ECU.
The FLUKE is a handheld meter like a DVM that reads K type thermo couples- it does not replace the stock sensor (its insdie the MAF in any event). Air temp effects density so it is an important aspect of the air mass calculation for the ECU.
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We have about 26 people on the interest list and the current price for the alloy pulley is $350 and installation is a do it yourself job (changing the light bulbs took me almost as long).
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For about 50.00 bucks you can cool the IC useing the washer pump. Installa t connection with a valve to the outlet side of the windsheild washer pump. Add an inline on off switch in the car,mount 2 m-class washer nozzles in line to a hose mounted in front of the IC. If you are at the track of doing auto-x you can even add ice to the washer tank.
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Great idea- and it really works.
Use an adjustable HOBBS pressure switch (teed into manifold after TB and set to your favorite boost pressure) that trips a relay to run an additional windscreen pump (teed into the outlet from the washer tank).
Presto- boost sensitive additional cooling.
ON/OFF switch inside to activate/deactivate system, since you probably only want this function for "battles" (otherwise you might go through quite abit of blue goo.
Use an adjustable HOBBS pressure switch (teed into manifold after TB and set to your favorite boost pressure) that trips a relay to run an additional windscreen pump (teed into the outlet from the washer tank).
Presto- boost sensitive additional cooling.
ON/OFF switch inside to activate/deactivate system, since you probably only want this function for "battles" (otherwise you might go through quite abit of blue goo.
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I agree with Buellwinkle. I don't want to spend $3,000+ for a larger intercooler. I would be interested in other sources if anyone has a suggestion.
I called Renntech and Oberklasse and neither would sell an intercooler without their kit.
I called Renntech and Oberklasse and neither would sell an intercooler without their kit.
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Spearco in LA has two standard intercoolers with end tanks that may work, they have one that's about 3 1/2" thick, 24" wide and 6 1/2" tall or they have one that's about 4 1/2" thick and 18" wide and 5" tall. If I remember correctly, the factory unit is 2" thick, 22" wide and about 4 1/2" tall. They sell for about $500-600. Tell them you want the aluminum cast 90 degree elbow coming back. Then you'll need to have someone run piping to connect the factory plumbing back to the intercooler. ReigerSLK did the 18" wide one and it looks good. He got it without the end tanks and had a shop fabricate them as well as the all new intakes.
Cute idea with the windshield washer motors. The new Subaru STI will have factory sprayers as standard equipment for their intercooler.
Cute idea with the windshield washer motors. The new Subaru STI will have factory sprayers as standard equipment for their intercooler.
