Accord

But the LS430 doesn't look right from ANY angle .

Yup, the new S-Class is supposed to debut in 2005

The love of Mercedes-Benz: http://www.mbspy.com/mblove.htm

opti6600

Somebody mentioned....argh...Ford. As much as it pains me to even say that name, they actually cleaned up the Jaguar operation a bit. Their sales have increased, their quality has gone up (ever so slightly), and they have managed to diversify in the market.

Same thing goes for Land Rover, but you can see the difference a lot more there. As for their Volvo acquisition, ek. I'd like to have seen what would have happened to their cars without a buyout. They look like heavily-padded Tauruses...anybody remember the 960 and S70?

vraa

i sense some ricing out of some major cars!!

brb.. school.. lol

Toog4me

I love how you (Accord) go on and on about how Lexus is just a cheap copy of a Mercedes, and how they copied Mercedes and how it's a knock off... and then you go to say how it looks so bland and boring... I mean, is the S boring and bland too? Or is it just the fact that you don't like the shape of the sleek L in the circle and you preffer 30 year old stars?

Caliz_Finest

sleek l, boring car

KrispyK

On clublexus.com, there is almost the exact same discussion going on ... people are saying remarkably similar things, except in the end, most of them prefer the LS over the S-class. Go figure!

http://clublexus.com/forums/showthre...threadid=56787

Accord

Nearly everyone in North America who is not a die hard Lexus fan (How someone can be one is beyond me, lol ) considers the Lexus to be a cheap alternative to a true German vehicle, or in other words; the poormans Mercedes-Benz/BMW.

Lexus will be known as this to the general population until they separate themselves from Toyota and develop a vehicle that is truly extraordinary; which they have not been able to do thus far.

The only reason to purchase a Lexus over a Mercedes-Benz is if you are worried about cost. Aside from that, then this is a moot discussion.

Accord

KrispyK

You guys GOTTA see this:

http://www.finestsedan.com/

This is gonna be fodder to make this thread even longer.

Accord

It's just a promotional website put out by Lexus .

bmms8

krispy they posted that a couple weeks ago....also...the comapny mof that "test" amcii or whatever i forgot...the bills that they have are paid by lexus just to let you guys know....also....i doubt ppl would want that car over any rr, or bently..or a s600...but accord....if you dont like lexus then dont.....you dont need to say it is a poor mans mbz.....are you joking!!!!!!, youre in college, i might be younger than you, but i understand that i didnt work very hard to get my camry when i drive...i dont really think you deserved to drive a s600....your basing all your cars on your fathers wealth..and that has nothing to do with you....you tell me...whats better a s430, or a ls430....i dont care about looks....looks isnt everything....why pay 80 grand for a car that looks good.....woudn't you want something out or the car....im saying what has better quality...quieter....better ride..and the inside of the car...interior..

Toog4me

See Accord, it is comments like that that make it clear what kind of person you are. Have you looked at any tests or interviews? Have you ever looked at anything that even remotely suggests that a Lexus is a poor man's Benz, because... I know a guy with a 350Z AND a GS400, and put those two together, and he could have gotten a S500. I mean, with the two cars that I own, I could have easily gotten an S500. With the money that people have used towards getting a used SC400, they could have gotten a used E320 or CLK. But no.. they remain with Lexus because it is not what you wish it to be. It is an alternative to Mercedes, but not to a poor man, to a smart man. I mean, go look at the comparison I did between the E and the GS.

If you want aggressive, why would you buy an E430 over a GS430? The E is so god damned boring. And a C coupe over an IS300? I mean... there I go again.... agressive... The Coupe looks like a little pig and the IS looks agressive if you ask me.

And you can't say the S is a better car because it looks agressive. If I am correct, it's a flagship car, not a sports luxury cruiser... The GS is the above and proves it in speed and luxury... the E does not. The LS is a perfect example of a flagship, whether you want to think so or not...

And continue on with your "Its just a Lexus" comment or your "I dont know how anyone would want one" because head on over to Clublexus.com and you'll find people (over 8000) who love their car, even people with 1990 ES250s.

opti6600

Is there any way we can just cap off this thread Accord? Its wasting the time and space on the board I have found. The same arguments are being provided over and over again.

bmms8

yea opti, your right opti, we should just close this thread...to much arguing...especially by me

fvellani

yea its repetetive because some of you guys (i wont mention any names) just cant get it thru your heads that lexus makes fine cars, and are a worthy competitor to mercedes and bmw

and even besides the fact that you wont recognize that, some of you go even further by dissing lexus after they completely shook the lux-car market up...and furthermore, you put down lexus saying that they make crap cars, which just isnt true

vraa

Lexus's is a car which was designed for the audience right above Toyota buyers. Once lexus breaks away from toyota or designs a sedan which not only scares mercedes but actually offers competition agianst the S600 then i think they will be better off...

right a v8 is in many cars..

i think the e-class is awesome.. mainly the e55 tho.. gs430 is nice.. not the new ones tho.. i hate all the new lexus looks.. i don't know why they did that. lol

VVT-i

Lexus will never break away from Toyota because Lexus is Toyota. With the asset of 33 trillion dollars. Toyota will be the only car manufacture in the world that doesn't have the merger with anybody.
How about try to seperate Daimmer from Chrysler? No, the MB or Chrysler can not stand alone without each other help. That why they make a deal that pissed a lot of people off few years ago.
MB is a good car company, but can't stand on their own. With the help of Chrysler, now they can share the cost of research, parts, platform and so many components that you will see on the MB and Chrysler products.
BTW, Toyota created Lexus, so, no way Lexus can break away from Toyota. But can MB break away from Chrysler, no, they just got married...Happy honey moon.

Accord

Chrysler and Daimler Benz did not merge as they wanted everyone to think. They made it appear as a merger, however, Daimler Benz actually acquired Chrysler.

I'm not going to get into which car is better, i'm getting sick of this discussion. You all know my opinions and I know yours. Nomatter what any of us say, none of our opinions will change.

Otpi6600, I will lock this thread only if Musfather wants it locked since he was the one who created it.

bmms8

please do mus thanks

KrispyK

Nevertheless, I'd say we're setting a record for this forum on how long a thread gets.

JFawwaz

uh, why close it? Were not finished with the closing arguments :p

opti6600

Then lets do em already, no? The horse has been beaten, set on fire, dragged, and THEN finally has been shot. It just needs to be buried.

And in my odd attempt to fan the flames, I will say that the reason Mercedes doesn't have jack for capital compared to Toyota is that it manufactures a more elitist product. You don't see as many Benzes as Lexus and Toyota products put together. And the way I look at it, you can't exactly compare the two. Lexus just takes Toyota stock models, sends them to their engineering department, and tells them to create a higher-performance luxury car. And don't mention Saleen here please, heh. Benz as far as I know makes unique creations.

But in conclusion, the most obvious thing is that they're two brands of cars designed for two sets of people. A Lexus personality is different from a Benz personality. I don't know what defines these necessarily, but it does show a major rift in the thinking processes between a Benzaholic and a Lexusfreak.

-Jordan

absent

Nothing really wrong with Lexus,personally I don't like it and with their current line-up they are still below Benz,period!

MusFather

OK lets finish this thread up, I thought it would have been a good, calm discussion, but its kinda getting out of hand


Last Remarks:

All the cars are awesome, it all ends up on what you personally like!

If you want the "better" car get the LS

But if you want the best car

Get the S600


-Musfather

vraa

LOL.. we havent hit it w/ a car yet though!