i posted a reply under new thread "..." i meant to post a reply here but i guess i clicked new thread by accident

 

anyways what i said was "I visited that site. have you ever driven a bentley arnage or an s600? if you have youd be laughing at people who think the ls430 is the best sedan, i think people love it cause of its price but id still rather buy a $90,000 S500"

 

hey guys,

i posted on page nine of this series the 0-60 times of the ls and the S55 from motortrend, car and driver, and road and track.
the quickest time for the ls 430 was 6.1. whether or not this is accurate....heck i really don't know but....it is off the pace of the S55.
regarding safety.....hey guys.....don't kid yourself...really....lexus is a safe car....but....the S class....is beyond safe.
look at the test photos of that s class being hit. the lexus ls 430...with it's thinner gauge sheet metal(and that's a fact guys) would crumble under that wedges battering power.
lexus makes a nice automobile...but mercedes is still the standard.
until then.....buy german!!
jeff

 

yeah toms hardware said that the Intel P4 1.8ghz is better then the AMD 1800+..

is comparison.. Finest Sedan said lexus is better then s600

The AMD is cheaper then the intel..

is comparison.. s430 is cheaper then the ls430.. hope i got that right! lol

but the thing is.. i have dual 1800+ .. lol in comparsion.. V12 baby!!..

yeah so what... my cousin has a 1.8ghz p4.. but even he went into awe when i showed him my dual 1800+ which was cheaper then his single processer.. lol and my system preforms better!

that was for all the comptuer guys.. lol

i think the lexus ls430 looks like.. i wonder if i can say this.. *****.. all the lexus's to me look like that.. i dont' know if its me or lexus but the new benz's have touched my spot and make me drool. We went to the office in the sl500 and it just excites me. i see a ls430 and a s430 next to each other at a stop light and my first glance was at the s430.. why? because it excites me.. its the younger brother of a powerful v12, it can wh00p some buttocks if needed. Its a v12 FOR GOSH SAKES.. not the s430 mind u. the s600.. older brother perhaps..

if my dad had the choice of a ls430 or s600.. the s600 wins hands down.. no matter what..

you shouldn't be arguing about price if you going around buying lexus's and benz's.. if you can only argue for one side that means you are biased.. the ls430 does have some cool things in for it.. like the Navigation, and sound system, but then agian.. A V12!!! lol

 

Like I said above, I don't give a damn what other people think about the S-Class or S600.

I just got back from a two hour drive on the Sawgrass Expressway. I never really pay attention the noise of the engine unless I am driving the car hard, but I thought of this thread so I was specifically trying to listen to the engine to see how loud it was. I maintained a speed of 85mph the entire way. I could not hear the engine, the only sound I could hear was the air rushing over the aerodynamically superior body of the S600. I literally could not even hear the slightest sound from the engine unless I was accelerating.

The claim to the S600 being loud is absolute rubbish coming from a person who has never sat in an S600 before.

I don't give a damn what any consumer reports say. Does my consumer report not matter? Unfortunately the highest I can rate it is a 10.0, if I could rate it higher, I would.

Another thing to think about, is people who buy a Mercedes-Benz generally have higher standards than someone who buys a Lexus . Just some food for thought.

The S600 is a 10.0 as far as i'm concerned.

I would never, ever even consider buying a Lexus for the sole fact that is, none other than just that; a Lexus. I don't care if the Lexus had more features than the Maybach and was 1/3 the price of an S600, I would never consider buying one.

Go enjoy your Lexus LS430, and I will enjoy my 2003 S600 with a 500 hp Twin-Turbo V12 engine and more interior amenities than you could imagine.

 

When you get into an accident, it's not about how safe the car is, or how damaged the car is. It's about the people inside. So if you've ever seen a Lexus LS430 get into an accident, and you see the car is smashed, laugh all you want. But when you look at the victims of the accident, they will be in much better condition then the people in the S-class.

Don't judge a book by it's cover. Don't judge the S-classes safety just by the way it looks.

 

You won! I guess you are too good for a Lexus.


That sounds like some engine noise to me bub! Again, you said it better than I could have. The S600 is louder than the LS430.

 

Really? I was in a head on accident at over 50 mph in an S500 and myself, and two other occupents walked out of the car without a scratch. Aside from being shook up, we had no physical injuries.

If I was in another car, I have no doubt that I would not be here to argue with you today.

I am judging the book by personal experience, not what is written on websites like many people in this thread.

 

I don't know of a car in which you cannot hear the engine while accelerating, infact, if you don't hear the engine while accelerating, there is something seriously wrong . The LS430 makes just as much noise as an S600 while accelerating, and both cars are dead silent while cruising on a highway.

 

hey guys,

first off....when it comes to safety....nothing beats a benz.
i'm not sure if most know this but....every accident in germany that involves a mercedes benz....mercedes benz tries to investigate the accident to collect data for future developement. this information comes from a car and driver article sometime in 1999.....by the way volvo does the same.

secondly...i believe lexus buyers to be truly satisified with their purchase. reason being....for the lexus buyer the purchase of an ls430 is an intersection of money...quantity...quality...and prestige. not bad...right? but ....the mercedes benz buyer wants all of those attributes PLUS a whole lot more!!! and are willing to pay for it. being able to say i got a really nice car for a good price is fine but not a priority on a benz buyers list. benz buyers want a GREAT car at a price point that a GREAT car deserves. getting the best deal available from an auto manufacturer is not the priority. when you buy a Mercedes Benz the rational of intersecting desires with compromises is not a priority.

jeff

 

hey john,

i just thought of this after reading your last post. remember when princess dianna perished in the car accident in france. well the car she was driving in was a Mercedes S class. not the current model but .....the security guard in the front seat survived the accident"a 70 mph impact into a concrete pilllar". it most be noted he was the only passenger wearing his seat belt. the car was almost completely destroyed but.....a front seat passenger survived. also...dianna was not wearing her seat belt. had she been...who knows she might be alive today. i would love to see the current lexus ls430 impact a similar structure in a controlled environment. i doubt belted or unbelted anyone could survive that type of an accident in any lexus. so when rationalizing might be safer i would i would err on the side of Mercedes Benz.

jeff

ps. i love the rumble of my S55 when i step on it a cruising speed. if you have a great engine under the hood....might as well know it's there now and then!

 

S55inPA, I agree with your posts.

Also, there are only 1000 S600's supplied to North America each year and I beleive only 2500 S55's. I can't even imagine how many LS430's there are. The LS430 is not a unique car, it's just another run of the mill average car you see on the road, the S600 is not. The LS430 is not an impressive car, to some people it may be, but to a die hard car enthusiast, the LS430 definetly is not impressive.

 

as a matter of fact, i am a die hard car enthusiast and i do find the ls430 very impressive

and S55inPA, you cant say i believe that no1 in an ls430 could survive this kind of crash....thats just conjecture, and i havent seen you provide any factual information to back up your claims

 

Dude, W140 S600 is a TANK, W220 s600 is just a Bradley fighting vehicle-its time for you to go and drive both cars to know which car can be called a tank. W220 S600 may be a TANK in comparisson to the Toyota, no argument there.
Didnt you post a while ago that your father actually buys cars not you, what happend , dude, when did you start buying?
Our last Benzo was bought by my wife , so no roblem there its that there are no reason to missrepresent the obvious.

 

So, dude, someone who bought basic W220 S500 for $80k and lets say put in Kleemann for another $16-17k including installaton would absolutly be not excited? Lets say his car got all the way to $100-105k and now is S50k, the dude can outrun you in your fathers s600 and S55 in PA and you think that S50k will not excite anyone, do you really think that that is reserved to AMG and V12 only?
Think hard, dude.

 

accord....why are you maing bul**** up know.....huh.....i never posted anything about the elantra....that the stupidest **** ive seen on this forum....dont go that low man....also, it was a s-class that dianna was in..why were you denying it last night.....no point in lying...and if your not accelerating, most ppl in most cars wont hear the engine...take our 2002 camry....it is very quiet...and u cant hear it on the highway if you are not accelerating......but anywayz...plz dont lie....

 

As a gay you probaly don't see 745 as being gay --- it is however very gay when looked at from a non gay point of view.
I can see you driving 745 with Village People blasting out of Logic 7. Pam pam, pam pam parrrram pam pam pam........pam pam, pam parrram pam pam pam.................pam pam pam parrram pam pam pam .........its fun to be at the ..........

 

Accord, I am glad you did not die in your accident. Your story did not prove my point ONE SINGLE ****ING BIT!!! sorry for the profanity.

However, if you were in a car accident in an LS430 and then the S, then it would make sence.

No one ever said that the S is not safe. We just said it is not as safe as the LS430, and guess what... tests can back that shiznit up!!!

 

I agree with the fact that hes stupid, just because calling a car "gay" is just so stupid. HOW THE **** CAN A CAR BE GAY? While most people would say you are in denial and do not want to admit to it, I'm gonna tell you that if you dont like a car, call it ugly or gross. Calling a car gay is just 10 year old humor and stupidity.

Not to flame you or anything, but four kids at my school got their asses beaten by skinheads because they were jewish, and the skinheads thought they were gay. So the term "Gay" as an insult really does not apeal to me nor a lot of highly intelectual people.

 

fast eddy...now one likes you get the **** out of this forum dumb****........what kind of car do u drive.....a 2002 go-ped sport....with 4's on them ****er!!!, huh, ****ing dumbass

 

I was joking when I posted that quote . I thought you would have caught that.

It was not a W220 that she was in, it was the older S-Class, not the current one. Also, nobody had their seatbelt on except the security guard. I don't care if you'r riding around in a Hummer, if you don't have your seatbelt on, no safety feature in the world will save you.

I did not know it was the old S-Class, I thought it was an E-Class. Either way, we're talking about the W220, not the older S-Class .

Also, if you don't hear the engine while accelerating, that means one of two things: the car is seriously underpowered with a small engine, the car has amazing sound proofing, or there is something seriously wrong.

 

Unless you've sat in an LS while it got into a car accident, don't judge it.

I remember you said something like this about the S600 and sitting in it, so I would think that it applies to this situation too!

 

im sorry about that toog, but the fact is...i never called it gay...so dont get mad at me..alright.....there is a whole lot of other ppl who call it gay.....i said i liked the car.....so dont call me stupid or get mad at me....just because you read my post wrong...

 

Until you show me proof of the LS430 being safer than an S-Class, then it is nothing more than speculation.

Also, the IIHS did not test the S-Class (I already checked), however, they're a joke and their crash testing methods are outdated. Nearly every vehicle they test gets a perfect or near perfect rating. So when providing crash test information, make sure it is from a reputable agency/company, the IIHS is not reputable as far as crash test information goes.

 

I have been in a multiple hour drive in an LS430 before, thankfully I have not had the opportunity to get into an accident in one . It felt underpowered (compared to an S600) and it was just as quiet. The ride on the S600 is better than on the LS430, bear in mind, our S600 does not have the Sport Package. The 2003 S600 we have on order will have the sports package.

It's nice to be able to drive like you're on a cloud, however, that can get boring . I like to be able to feel the road.