Caliz_Finest

the 745 doesent accelerate better than the S500 but it handles better

vraa

umm.. hey accord.. can i borrow your s600 for a week? i have plenty of ls430's here.. i can test them all out..

lol, if you understood my sentence or phrase correctly you noticed i said plenty of lexus's.. thats right.. there are too MANY DAMNED LS430's here.. psh, why does my dad always bring up the point that no one in the neighborhood has a sl500? because its a vaild one, its gonna be the same w/ the s600 when it comes.. hopefully :P

tell me this.. can your "ultimate sedan" or ls430 attract attention?

at school in a poll of 30 odd people more choose the s600 over the ls430,

one reason is because its a benz
another is when we listed the specs.. people just glanced away from the ls430's pics.. mind you these people are car buffs..

v12's are cool, 500+ hp is cool, an underpowered 290hp v8 isn't. i don't care if you can get me an ls430 for 6k$ i'm not taking it because i know there is something out there better and if i wait long enough and gather in my money i can get it.

bmms8

i dont get what u are saying

JFawwaz

well, i guess they might be pretty much equal in 0-60, but i doubt the S500 is faster

bmms8

i think the bimmer is faster 0-60

Accord

Yes, it is. The 745i goes 0-60 in 5.9 seconds which is faster than the S500.

bmms8

oo, but it does have 23 more hp

fvellani

from the june 2k2 issue of road and track (road test of the 745i):

benz s500:
0-60mph: 6.1 sec
60-0mph: 138 ft
skidpad: 0.76g
curb weight: 4150 lbs
list price: $80,685

bmw 745i:
0-60mph: 6.3 sec
60-0mph: 121 ft
skidpad: 0.87g
curb weight: 4510 lbs
list price: $67,850

and just for comparison:

2001 ls430:
0-60: 6.4 sec
60-0: 128 ft
skidpad: 0.81g
weight: 4130 lbs
list price: $54, 005

2001 benz s55 amg:
0-60: 5.7 sec
60-0: 121 ft
skidpad: 0.89g
weight: 4110 lbs
list price: $98,000

JFawwaz

wow that weight stat is wayy off? what, were they weighing the 745li with the fatso test driver inside?

this is the specs from the bmw website
Weight: Unladen, lbs: 4376
Acceleration: 0-60, mph: 5.9 seconds

well i know that bmw isnt to conservative with their test numbers but those specs seemed way off

fvellani

thats wat it says as the curb weight in the r & t...curb weight 4510 lbs, test weight (w/ driver): 4660 lbs.

maybe some of the options on the test car added the weight...ie the 19" rims, cold weather pkg, convienience pkg, etc.

bmms8

well the base price of the ls430 is the real one, but the wheght is more than it really is...it is only 3955 pounds

Toog4me

I was merely reffering to the guy who responded to your thread, and in general.

Toog4me

Underpowered? Your joking, right?

C'mon and get over it. A 290 HP V8 is not underpowered on the LS430. Compared to your V12, it has less power. UNDERPOWERED is the wrong word. The fact that it matches the S500's 0-60 most of the time, and sometimes off by .3 seconds, is not bad at all. And if you are going to say it is underpowered, then the S500 may as well be underpowered too.


Accord,

When your parents stop paying for your ****, and you have to spend your own money, I guess you will apreciate things better. Untill then, your S600 is God's gift to man. Too bad that gift did came with a snotty rich ***** attitude.

1SICKLEX

Cali's finest or Cali's dumbest? Conversation was going fine till you started inputting your blind views.

Cmon, a S55 SHOULD kill a LS 430, it's a AMG model. I'd get a S55 before the LS 430. But a S 500 over a LS 430, probably not.

WTF, can't afford? That is the basis for your argument.

Funny everyone here is comparing 1/4 mile and 0-60 etc and I HAVE YET TO RACE A S-class OR LS 430. NO ONE hardly ever pushes these cars. At this price rance, it is about PRESTIGE, PANACHE, Features, ride, space. Not speed. Owners know, if they must, it's there.

The 4.3 liter engine has 300hp in the SC and GS series. So the LS can be tuned to only 10 more. Lexus is not caught up in the growing HP wars (yet:p ) but with 240 Altimas and Accords around (thinking ES 300s and C-class Benzs are stupid cause they are slowere) I think everyone may need a hp boost, LMAO.

Caliz_Finest

wtf are you talkin about sicklex, my blind views? what about the blind views of those who think a lexus is better then a s600 or bentley arnage? ...youd get a ls430 over and s500 why? cause of price? All Im sayin is Id rather pay more for the better car and oh yeah while altimas have 245 hp i hear it does 0-60 in 6.9 (i may be wrong) which is the same 0-60 speed as the C320

Caliz_Finest

Underpowered when compared to a V12 yes, but I dont think the LS430 is underpowered but i wouldnt say it matches the speed of s500 most of the time, thats an exaguration

bmms8

yea but caliz....you need to also look at the prices, the price of the s430 starts at 73,000, and the starting price of the ls430 is 54,000, with the ultra lux pack, the car comes out to 73,000. That is around the same as the base s430. And the ls comes with more stuff than the s430, or 500. Also, it is much faster than the s430, and nearly as fast as the s500...and just because a car is more expensive than the other doesnt mean it is better..look at the s-type and the gs300, the gs blows it away in every aspect

Caliz_Finest

i agree the S430 is overpriced, but the looks of the car is also hell of important to me and I think the s class is like the best looking sedan out there. But yeah I agree the lexus is a great car and the price is awesome but I like the S Class better and thats why I would pay more for it... fair enough?

Toog4me

Well your wrong there because the Altima has 240 HP and most magazines and sites have gotten it to 60 in 6.3 seconds. I have yet to race one, but I know people who have and they didn't get the biggest kill on them. It's all about the driver.

Toog4me

That's all we needed to hear. No one said the LS430 is better than the S600, or atleast I did. For everyday driving, we believe the LS430 is better than the S600 just because the LS is more practical as a daily driver.

For less than 70K, you can get the LS430 with the UL package, and it will have everything, if not more, than the S430 and S500. That's a bargain right there. And yeah, the S looks better than the S, but not by 20,000 dollars.

Accord

You do have a point, however I like to drive the S600 hard fairly often .

Check this out: https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...threadid=14728

bmms8

i think it is because they want a prestige name, to a lot of ppl, that really doesnt matter, like to my parents, prestige, and name is all that counts when getting a lux cars, thats why we are getting a e500 over a ls, jag, audi, and 740i

Accord

About 3 months ago my dealership had an S500 Guard in their showroom. I got to poke around it... the windows were like 5 inches thick. When I opened the doors, I was amazed at how thick they are.

You can get the "Guard" as a special order option on any Mercedes-Benz vehicle except for the AMG's. It is a 75,000 dollar option.

bmms8

wow, but it is cool, wioth everything it has, including the gas tank that cant get puntured, the run flat tires, and the rear windows dont come down, so you can get a option where there are mics, and speakers inside and out of the car....that is cool..

Toog4me

EHHHHHHH WRONG!!! The president drives in a Cadillac, rappers have MB, but they also have Cadillac Escalades w/ ugly *** rims... so that doesnt say much.


Rappers talk about their cars, all of them, but if you notice, theyre all about money, so they flaunt the most expensive items... alas, the sl55 in ludes video.