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Old Mar 5, 2009 | 11:12 PM
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Question about button which raises car

Hey guys i am wondering if it possible to change settings on that raising button, so in that case, i can press it and my car will be raised 4-5 inches, instead of 1-2?
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 12:14 AM
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Hey guys i am wondering if it possible to change settings on that raising button, so in that case, i can press it and my car will be raised 4-5 inches, instead of 1-2?
Maybe you should have bought an SUV yes?
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 12:17 AM
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Maybe you should have bought an SUV yes?
Maybe buying a Hummer should solve this problem
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 12:56 AM
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LOL no i mean, lets say my car before lowering were 5 inches from the ground with button on it was 7 inches from the ground, now after lowering its 3 inches from the ground and with button 5 inches, so what is it possible to have my car 3 inches and with button lets say 6 or 7?
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 09:06 AM
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no offense here, but if you were going to tackle such obstacles, why did you lower the car 3 inches. Thats a HUGE drop.

sort of a "you made your bed, now you have to sleep in it" scenario.
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 10:37 AM
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ARLEN777 what did you use to drop your car?
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Arlen777
LOL no i mean, lets say my car before lowering were 5 inches from the ground with button on it was 7 inches from the ground, now after lowering its 3 inches from the ground and with button 5 inches, so what is it possible to have my car 3 inches and with button lets say 6 or 7?
Since I think you dropped it with links or washers , that tricks the values in the sensors . You would have to alter the value of the height setting while leaving the low what it is. If the sensor is based on voltage which it probably is you could use electronics (regulator ? stepper?) to trick the height setting. It would require someone like an ee to complete though as well as a way to read the value maybe sds.

I have found another solution for adjusting height , The Autoloc Aircommand ,

http://www.thehoffmangroup.com/autol...itemid=air4000

I called them , they say it will integrate into the OEM system and you can control all 4 wheel heights individually.
They will also offer full tech support on install and on ebay its only about $300.

I looked at the wiring and there is a fair number of wires to be ran but if it works it would be great compared to the other $1000+ options.

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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by illmeth0d
Since I think you dropped it with links or washers , that tricks the values in the sensors . You would have to alter the value of the height setting while leaving the low what it is. If the sensor is based on voltage which it probably is you could use electronics (regulator ? stepper?) to trick the height setting. It would require someone like an ee to complete though as well as a way to read the value maybe sds.
There are many commercial lowering modules. Renntech, Kleeman and others have all done this. They don't provide as much range as the poster is looking for, but they are user adjustable.
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 12:46 PM
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There are many commercial lowering modules. Renntech, Kleeman and others have all done this. They don't provide as much range as the poster is looking for, but they are user adjustable.
I am familiar with other options , from reading Arlens previous posts I figured that would be more his speed. I also think the fully adjustable controllers can come close to what he wants but maybe not exactly. I also think those company put certain limits for saftey and liability.

I wonder if anyone has installed the controller with links to get a super drop that is more adjustable.
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Originally Posted by illmeth0d
I am familiar with other options , from reading Arlens previous posts I figured that would be more his speed. I also think the fully adjustable controllers can come close to what he wants but maybe not exactly. I also think those company put certain limits for saftey and liability.

I wonder if anyone has installed the controller with links to get a super drop that is more adjustable.
The problem wth Arlens idea is that non of our cars are made to raise that high. there is not enough range in the transducers to allow it. Even if it were, I don't think the timer for the bleed down, and raise etc.. in the program allows enough time.
This would be a major reprogrammming of a lot of things and just a weird thing to want to do.

Remember most height presets are set a 0. 0 being the actual height of the car stock. Hence you raise + a certain value manually with the dash switches, and lower a certain value Automatically ( past 80 mph.) There is nothing in the logic for automatically raising, or manually lowering. THere is only Manually raising and Automatic lowering.

The only time the car raised is when there is extra pressure added to the struts because of load then the load is removed. ( passengers). the car is higher and will automatically return to it's Null point. ( 0 or whatever milliamp voltage it is looking for at the transducers) So the logic actually deters against raising except when its controlled ( manually ).

We learn through modules and links that we can "fool" the logic to get the lowering by changing the Null point or 0, but what do we fool to make the null setting a positive value ( raised) and for what reason?

The only thing you can possibly do is set a standard height of a certain value. then let everything else happen automatically.

Otherwise like I said before, buy and SUV.
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Oliverk
no offense here, but if you were going to tackle such obstacles, why did you lower the car 3 inches. Thats a HUGE drop.

sort of a "you made your bed, now you have to sleep in it" scenario.
LOL thats what everybody tell me, no the thing is i love low cars, and since i have my first mercedes i wanted to drop it but i couldnt cause i was to young with no money, so thats y i asked if it possible to do it so in that case i can go as low as i want, but if i will see bad road or something i ll just raise it and thats it
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by m4xm1l10n
ARLEN777 what did you use to drop your car?
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by illmeth0d
Since I think you dropped it with links or washers , that tricks the values in the sensors . You would have to alter the value of the height setting while leaving the low what it is. If the sensor is based on voltage which it probably is you could use electronics (regulator ? stepper?) to trick the height setting. It would require someone like an ee to complete though as well as a way to read the value maybe sds.

I have found another solution for adjusting height , The Autoloc Aircommand ,

http://www.thehoffmangroup.com/autol...itemid=air4000

I called them , they say it will integrate into the OEM system and you can control all 4 wheel heights individually.
They will also offer full tech support on install and on ebay its only about $300.

I looked at the wiring and there is a fair number of wires to be ran but if it works it would be great compared to the other $1000+ options.
Thanks for info, did you asked them if it is gonna work on w220, what about installation?
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Old Mar 6, 2009 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by my06clk
The problem wth Arlens idea is that non of our cars are made to raise that high. there is not enough range in the transducers to allow it. Even if it were, I don't think the timer for the bleed down, and raise etc.. in the program allows enough time.
This would be a major reprogrammming of a lot of things and just a weird thing to want to do.

Remember most height presets are set a 0. 0 being the actual height of the car stock. Hence you raise + a certain value manually with the dash switches, and lower a certain value Automatically ( past 80 mph.) There is nothing in the logic for automatically raising, or manually lowering. THere is only Manually raising and Automatic lowering.

The only time the car raised is when there is extra pressure added to the struts because of load then the load is removed. ( passengers). the car is higher and will automatically return to it's Null point. ( 0 or whatever milliamp voltage it is looking for at the transducers) So the logic actually deters against raising except when its controlled ( manually ).

We learn through modules and links that we can "fool" the logic to get the lowering by changing the Null point or 0, but what do we fool to make the null setting a positive value ( raised) and for what reason?

The only thing you can possibly do is set a standard height of a certain value. then let everything else happen automatically.

Otherwise like I said before, buy and SUV.
I said before that i dont want my car looks like suv or something, i said about driving as low as you can and if button on it will be stock height
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