zarko

hey guys im planning on getting som 19inch rims... they told me the offset for the front rims 19X8.5 is 32 and the offset for the back 19X9.5 is 35

can anyone confirm this for me

thanks

whoover

The factory suggested staggered setup for that car is
Front: 8.5 X 19 ET 44, 245/40-19 tires
Rear: 9.5 X 19 ET 46, 275/35-19 tires

zarko

how big of a difference would be if i used the 32 upfront and 35 in back offsets... does anyone here use that offset.. please tell me its ok and wont rub or cause any damage...

thanks

whoover

I don't think it will rub, but why would you want the centerlines of your tires to be 1/2" from where they're supposed to be? It's the same as having your alignment off. It will probably affect handling, steering feel, high-speed stability and tire wear.

I wouldn't consider it if it were my car.

zarko

who sells rims with those offsets.. i was looking into the mandrus millenium's ..mandruswheels.com

thanks

whoover

AMG and MB make a lot of wheels in those sizes. For example:

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/resul...lar=Base+Model

zarko

but i really like the way mandrus rims look... shouldnt they have that offset since there a mercedes exclusive rim company?????

whoover

They are made by South African wheel manufacturer TSW, with a unique marketing approach: an "exclusive" brand name per car:

http://www.tsw.com/

If you like the way they look, get them, but be aware they're not a particularly good fit for the car.

cheez80

be aware, OP, that the wheels you're looking at are going to stick out further than the factory recommended specs that whoover posted.

your fronts will be 12mm more aggressive and the rears will be 11mm more aggressive than the s65 wheel setup, which is what whoover posted.

the best way to is to measure the difference between your current wheels. figure out your current width and offset, then find a wheel/offset calculator that can tell you how many more mm the new wheels will stick out, then use a tape measure and level and some cardboard to see how the new wheels will sit. draw some cardboard templates, and stick em on the current wheels and see if they'll hit the wheel arches.

at least, that's how i do it -- you usually can fit a much more aggressive wheel than what people on forums say, since the numbers you can find a very "safe". if you're willing to do some hammering, rolling, or alignment work, you can make very aggressive wheels fit (in comparison to what other people on mbworld are running, but not terribly aggressive in the scheme of things because the w220 doesn't have huuuge wheel wells).

also, even though there are effects on handling, steering, etc., most of them are for the better -- racers try to fit the widest and lowest offset wheels that can fit within wheel arches to increase directional stability and grip (a wider track also looks better, too). on a street driven car, i don't think you'll see any difference in tire wear, safety, etc., unless you knocked something loose when you were changing wheels or something.

good luck with your wheel search!

whoover

You have a very simplistic view of steering geometry here. Wider is fine, but the relationship of the plane of the centerline of the tire to the steering axis can't be ignored without affecting steering, and not for the better.

As an example, read the section on scrub radius:

http://www.familycar.com/alignment.htm

By moving the tires outboard, you're moving the contact patch on turns to the inside of the tire. This will increase the desire of the car to straighten out of the turn, putting additional wear on front-end components as well as affecting handling. You can't mess with one suspension geometry parameter, like offset, without changing all the others. In this case, steering axis inclination is calculated for the proper offset and can't be changed.

cheez80

what you're saying is true, but realistically, how much wear and difference will you see on a car that's daily driven, where the car spends most of its time in a straight line?

anyway, it's up to the OP to determine his priorities.

good luck!

zarko

well i went ahead and bit the bullet.. i got the 32mm upfront and 35 in ther rear.... the guy at tsw told me he sells thousands of these rims to w220 owners and never heres a thing... the wheels are hub centric so i would affect any balancing or weird tire wear or vibration....

any idea where to get good lug bolts from in need a bolt with a 23mm shank " from the bolt head down".

thansk

300SDLguy

I believe I had those offsets on my S600 for a SHORT time (expensive lesson). They were 18" AMG takeoffs from a CLS55 AMG. They had the OEM size tires that the CLS55 came with. The wheel/tires stuck out past the wheel well on the rear and rubbed frequently (slightly less if I kept it in the raised position). The fronts didn't stick out past the wheel well, but still they rubbed at times. More importantly, the worst issue was that the steering became unpleasant, required much more attention, and was just plain squirrelly. I put 38 offset wheels all around (4 SL500 rear's) drives as it should now.

jfendis430

ebay has them

zarko

well after a sleepless night. i called ntb and canceled my order of mandrus rims......

now i need help with locating new rims... im looking for 18 inch amg twin's,

my06clk

YOU shouldn't have until you spoke to someone with Mandrus Wheels or someone wo knows aboyut the brand.

The reason for the offset diffeence on the Mandrus wheel compared to the factory spec is to comepnsate for the 2.5 front and the 3" rear lips. The Madrus Brand is made to fit ONLY mercedes cars and they are great wheels. I would have kept them... They fit perfectly!!! There are many pics with people that have millimeum, and other models of the mandrus wheel.

Sorry for the late info I don't surf this forum as much as I used to.

zarko

lol thanks for the info...... are you f******* kidding me ....

my06clk

23mm shank? what you need is a 14mm X 1.05 or 1.10. I think mandrus whel had a ball seat but if not you need a cone.

Gorilla has all of the lugs for your car and you can get them at any discount tire.

my06clk

'fraid not.. NOt only that the TSW wheel is a knockoff of the Mandrus wheel. Mandrus sells their brand exclusivly for mercedes cars...

http://www.mandruswheels.com/

If you look at the applications, you will see that most of their wheels have wide lips therefore the offsets listed are not like a standard wheel which has a .25 to .5 lip max.

There are many photos for you to look at also.

Actually i'm suprised NTW sells Mandrus wheels. I wouldn;t let those guys anywhere near my car.

whoover

Mandrus is TSW. TSW sells their wheels under different brands for different cars so folks like you fall for their marketing BS.

http://www.tsw.com/

my06clk

C'mon with that Whoov.. this wasn;t about who makes what.. my response was more about the application of the Mandrus Brand.

Either way, they still look Great and yes.. very much coveted by me.. ( Smile ).

The millenium fit on the S class has set the bar for non bling look. JMO.

But I winder why you can;t get Mandrus wheels from the TSW site? Hmmm.. thats why I called them a knock-off.

Last point is DO you really think the OEM wheels on your car mere made by Mercedes?? They are outsourced by someone.. It'll be funny as hell if it was TSW right? lol

whoover

AMG wheels are outsourced, but normally to a German manufacturer. TSW wheels are usually knockoffs of European designs, and always made in their plant in South Africa. They look good, and are probably good quality for the price, but they are not the equivalent of European-made wheels. Do a search. There are lots of stories of cracks and bent wheels for all of their brands.

BTW, offset is a steering geometry parameter regardless of lip. It's true that a lower-offset will allow for a wider lip design, but the offset is the offset regardless of that design. The center plane of the tire doesn't care if it's been moved out 1/2" because someone likes a wider lip. It's still not where the automotive engineer placed it.

Mandrus uses an average offset so that they can sell the same wheel for many MB body styles. It's very tempting to simplify production since the bolt pattern and hub diameter is the same anyway. They need to do this since TSW makes wheels for dozens of cars. Because they use a dozen different company names, people assume Mandrus wheels are engineered by a Mercedes specialist and their Beyern wheels are engineered by a BMW specialist and Victor wheels are engineered by a Porsche specialist... In reality these are mass market wheels with the necessary manufactuing corner-cutting that implies. Sites are cheap. This is very clever marketing. You're not the only one to be tricked by the "exclusive Mercedes manufacturer Mandrus" smokescreen.

whoover

As an example, from an Acura board:

http://tsx.acurazine.com/forums/show...php?p=10708652

my06clk

Well I didn;t exactly get tricked by marketing, I only coveted these wheels not actually bought any because I already have 20's on my car.

Thing is, you are always going to find cracked wheel drama anywhere so you really can't go by that unless everybody has issues with cracked wheels which is simply not the case. Even AMG Wheels crack.. look----> https://mbworld.org/forums/s-class-w...front-lip.html a cracked wheel is just crappy luck no matter who makes it. Just like a nail in the tire...

the nice thing about the mandrus wheel Is that they all have the correct center bore of 66.56 for mercedes cars.. hence their claim I guess.. and the offset has been figure with the lip size to achieve the same fitment as a non lipped wheel of the same size. If you look at their gallery, they have some very nice fitment examples.. some of the nicest I've seen. I actually test fitted a set on my car at a shop in Miami and really liked how they fit a lot. I had to leave them because we couldn't figure out what to do with the wheels that I had on my car. Wheels have long since moved waaay down the list of things to do to my "S" but the mandrus is still my wheel of choice.

Actually for guys like the OP who are a little skeptical about the offset, you actually stand a better chance of mounting a mandrus wheel on a benz and not having issues that just about any A/M brand out there.
Since they don;t have any Mandrus branded designs for any other car, one would assume that al of their wheel offsets have been optimized for their specific model application.

even the wheels on my car (ST-4's) came with hub rings.. ( pissed me off.. )
I made sure they brought the CB to 66.56 because I miked them but I still don't like having them on there. I had 19" lorinzor knock-offs that had a perfect center bore.

I guess it's the nature of the market in terms of who makes what these days and how its peddled, the sure thing is that you know that a mandrus brand wheel Will work on a benz just like the beyern will work on a bimmer etc..

getting a regular tsw brand wheel, and you are back to guessing again.

m4xm1l10n

simply the perfect fit for my SL , Fancy wheels with stock fitment .