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For reference , here are pictures of the actual headers from the F1 sounding S600:
Also, if people want to hear how different header arrangements affect sound , you can listen to the various types of exhaust that people have put on the Honda CBX:
For reference , here are pictures of the actual headers from the F1 sounding S600:
Also, if people want to hear how different header arrangements affect sound , you can listen to the various types of exhaust that people have put on the Honda CBX: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKUwixRfBf4
Wow, I never noticed how awful the warping/flange alignment is on the "f1 exhaust" before. That's horrible, lol.
The second image (headers on the table) are a set of W220 headers i have from TG Sasaki. As nkautz1 says, they're just resting in the collector - the actual quality & workmanship is bonkers
2001 S600 Lorinser Body Kit & W215 Front-End Conversion
Originally Posted by markriccioni
The second image (headers on the table) are a set of W220 headers i have from TG Sasaki. As nkautz1 says, they're just resting in the collector - the actual quality & workmanship is bonkers
NVM. Read as wrong user.
Last edited by shooffnyc; Apr 24, 2019 at 11:32 AM.
^^ couple of recent videos (taken last week) of the TG Sasaki W140 S600 now over here in the UK. 'Only' modifications engine/exhaust wise are the 6 into 1 manifolds and rest of the exhaust system. Exhaust is valve'd with a single silencer at the back so can be made super quiet at the push of a button.
It is! Well now, but is/was the TG Sasaki W140 from the videos in Japan.
Like a lot of people in here, I've been fairly obsessed with doing something similar for years - have a set of TG Sasaki W220 headers destined for a CL600 (which i never got round to fitting). When the opportunity came up to buy the W140 equivalent it was way too tempting to pass up.
Do you know what kind/brand of muffler is on the car? They seem to have a source for mufflers that compliment the headers. I want to put a manual behind a 140 and drop into a nimble chassis after some head porting and whatever else I can do to it.
2001 S600 Lorinser Body Kit & W215 Front-End Conversion
Well I'm just about giving up after having two different people trying to take on this project for DIY headers. Wasted a good three years and two w220s. I shoulda just gone straight to the source and ordered the headers from Sasaki himself. I might just do that. But for now, just waiting to get my car shipped back and then I'll decide what to do.
Sanderson headers in California can make you a set in a month for about $1500. Stop fooling with these guys who have never made a set of headers in their life and send it to a shop that makes them daily
Posted the vid in off-topic a few days back, but the newest one has me considering this, though I know the sound wouldn't be quite as intense on a V8 as it is on a V12. That said, I'd never planned to go crazy on my car but this seems like a mod I could get behind if anyone here in the states ever undertakes it or if a shop like the one mentioned above could make it happen. Guessing that'd be the only way that makes sense to do it on a car that no one's done it on before anyway as Sasaki-san requires said vehicle in-house and to my knowledge he's never built headers for the W211. Guess that's technically OT here, but since this work is being discussed I thought I'd chime in.
Would be nice to get a real handle on shops capable of delivering this level of work and tuning for a small custom order or smaller run for a group by.
Posted the vid in off-topic a few days back, but the newest one has me considering this, though I know the sound wouldn't be quite as intense on a V8 as it is on a V12. That said, I'd never planned to go crazy on my car but this seems like a mod I could get behind if anyone here in the states ever undertakes it or if a shop like the one mentioned above could make it happen. Guessing that'd be the only way that makes sense to do it on a car that no one's done it on before anyway as Sasaki-san requires said vehicle in-house and to my knowledge he's never built headers for the W211. Guess that's technically OT here, but since this work is being discussed I thought I'd chime in.
Would be nice to get a real handle on shops capable of delivering this level of work and tuning for a small custom order or smaller run for a group by.
I’ve had Both the v12 and v8 cars, The v8 will not make anywhere close to the same sound
it must be a m120 v12 or m137 v12, the non turbo models from 1992-2002.
Again sanderson headers in California will make a one off custom set in about a month , that’s all they do is fabricate custom headers . Hiring a guy who has never made a header or made one or two sets in his skate time is a waste . You need people who do this for a living every day .
2004 E55 AMG, 2006 CLS63, 2004 ML55, 2014 E350 sport
Originally Posted by nkautz1
Funny , I was just randomly reading through this thread and the last post has a video of my car and the exhaust I made. The TG sasaki v12 sound is 100% real. Their website doesn't seem to exist anymore but I know they were going by "Brilliant Exhaust" about a year ago. And weirdly the Kreissieg exhaust site has the same font that TG used and there's japanese characters all over the place. But that stuff is so expensive.
Anyways , the headers are mainly the reason for the sound. 6-1 on each bank is probably a 20-hour job for a gifted exhaust fabricator. 40+ otherwise.
American V8's can also have a similar type of sound with a correctly designed header/exhaust system, but that's another story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuOt31rpPM0:
You are in total dreamland thinking something like that brilliant exhaust can be fabricated in 20-40hrs per bank. more like 60-100 hrs per bank and probably maybe even double that imo.
If it was on some car with a huge engine bay with nothing else in the way and its just plain sailing then yeah maybe 40-60. I have built multiple sets of headers now in mercedes and bmws with super tight packaging. What you are saying is not possible.
That guy is not building out of jigs. He's building each set in the car. That takes a huge amount of time on MB, BMW and AUDI due to the packaging.
I can build copies of those w220 brilliant exhaust's and probably for cheaper than 12.5k (im thinking around 6-8kNZD but they would be for RHD cars.
At some stage I may buy one of these w220's and do it. But im to busy doing e63 e55, and bmw stuff atm.
There is a reason only this guy in japan has done it nearly 10 years after he did the first one.
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Last edited by austingtir; Sep 14, 2019 at 08:11 PM.
Its just not that complex , hot rodders have been building custom headers since the 50s and they can deal with tight packaging as they Are used to putting giant motors in narrow classic cars Making it out to be like some guy in Japan is the only one who can do this is crazy
heck Effspot who just had his m120 done is from California . After he imports the car just pay him to have a Southern CA shop replicate what Sasaki already built
2004 E55 AMG, 2006 CLS63, 2004 ML55, 2014 E350 sport
Well you can say what you want but until I see vid of someone else doing exactly what that jap guy has done you lot are all just talking crap as far as im concerned. And I never said only the jap guy can do it infact I could do it even nicer than that if money was of no concern. But as we all know thats not usually the case.
Remember your talking to a guy that is building headers in Mercs and bmw's right now.
These are not some POS 50's hot rod. There are major space issues in alot of these cars that do not even remotely compare to some 50's hotrod. The way the chassis in a modern euro unibody shapes the engine with the subframe and then if you dealing with a steering box or steering column going near cylinders or not. The packaging is just totally different.
I used to work in a resto/hotrod shop so I know the difference between the two.
Your guys are talking pure rubbish.
Certainly having photos of the japanese guys work as a starting point makes it alot quicker but still. You guys are dreaming.
Again the evidence in this thread alone proves im right.
Now once you have one set fully jigged up and can build them out of jigs then yes you can begin to churn them out. But piecing these together one off headers in a car is a whole different ballgame.
Last edited by austingtir; Sep 14, 2019 at 08:54 PM.
The reason it hasn’t been done by others is that people are choosing backyard shade tree mechanics who put a few hours in on their spare time and give up so it isn’t a real project by a legitimate specialized shop
Just like you build them in new zealabd, at any competent American header shop this can be done too. The whole problem is choosing these backyard losers who don’t build headers for a living and aren’t treating this like a real job
2004 E55 AMG, 2006 CLS63, 2004 ML55, 2014 E350 sport
^^ I agree
But people will still be told things by experienced header shops that 9 times out of 10 are not going to happen.
If they are giving you a price before they do the job I would say they are probably dreaming in most cases. This type of job is just a do it and it costs what it costs type of deal I mean how many header shops are really building v12 6 into 1 headers everyday? Thats right next to nobody.
Also every header guy has their own style of doing things (usually due to the equipment they own: bandsaw size and press/forming size and abilities/skill). For instance I use properly formed merge collectors (in most cases) which even the japanese guy does not appear to do so. I slightly misalign my 4-2 tri Y collectors with double slips to ensure they cant be blown off once the runners a tightened (they are fitted with all four runners per bank on a v8 loose). Thats more of a methanol blown v8 problem but I still do it that way thats just me.
Lots of different ways to do things and shortcuts to take or otherwise.
Last edited by austingtir; Sep 14, 2019 at 10:54 PM.
Don't many custom header shops make equal length headers for inline 6 motors? Wouldn't it be just like making two i6 headers, one for each bank? Or do they hear the word "V12" and automatically slap an infinitely higher price tag on it?
I'm not experienced with header fabrication in any way so please excuse me if this sounded ridiculous and explain why.
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