SL65amg

http://www.treynor.com/S600-ridealong.wmv


The link above should take you to see this man's S 600 4-Door automatic luxury sedan go Zero to 60 in 3.3 seconds, Zero to 100 in 8.5, and did the 1/4 mile in 11.59 @ 120

It almost makes that stock SL 600's time of 3.6 to 60 MPH seem slow LOLOLOL ....

Damn these V-12's are unbelievably fast ....
This guys S600 has been in the Oct. '03 edition of Car & Driver magazine .... he has 650 horsepower .... so obviously been ECU reprogrammed, and he has the Renntech brakes and wheels ....
and his factory warranty has not been affected .... quite nice indeed.

If his car is doing this I wonder what the next-generation AMG-spec twin-turbo big-bore V-12's with a wide & sticky set of tires will do?

and here's the link to his website:
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/378297

Iron Sheik

The owner of this car is also a member of this forum!
His name is Treynor!
Oh yeah... that is his SLOW car!!!
Thats what he says... :p
His fast car is just beyond amazing!!

Iron Sheik

ajayz

Yep, that's Treynor for ya.

I1 ULOOZ

Yep, heard of him before. Than car is awsome alright.

Smiles

Definitely awesome.

And awesomely quiet and refined for a sub-12 quarter!

absent

Perfect daily driver indeed,with 524hp and 656 lb torque at the wheels!!!!

ano0oj

Yea, he was in Car and Driver too! I think his either his wife's or his viper is pulling 1000 horses, forgot which one..

Smiles

I'd like to meet his wife if she pulls 1000 horses!

MB AMG

Yeah! I just read the article today! What issue is it?

Iron Sheik

His viper is putting down 1005 RWHP!!!
His wife's viper is putting down 505 RWHP!!!(What a slow *** car eh?? ) Just kidding
500RWHP on any car is just amazing! Imagine having 1000RWHP!!!! bye bye Hayabusa!!
Great collection of cars!

Iron Sheik

davepl

I really have to question the 3.3 claim on the 0-60 time... although with drag radials I see he's down to a 1.685 sixty foot.

If it was measured with something more accurate than a stopwatch, I'll eat my post though :-)

I also hope I'm wrong, because tonight I'm sticking the same code into my CL600!

Thericker

With the supercar SLR + the new Chrysler ME412 weighs 2800lbs has a top speed of 248 mph a 6.0 liter V12 quad turbo w/850 bhp they think it might break the 3.0 second 0-60 so how can a 4610lb S600 w/650hp do a 3.3 0-60 seems kinda fishy don't ya think.....

Thericker

The weights previously mentioned above S600 4610lb W/650hp
The Chrysler ME412 2800lb w/850bhp that's 1810lbs difference + 200 more hp so how does that equate a .03 tenths of a second difference doesn't seem right does it??

SL65amg

Mercedes Benz is always very conservative in their performance estimates for their cars. Just look at their new ones!!

They claim Zero to 60 MPH in 5.0 Seconds for the CLK 55, but people have gotten 4.5 !!

They claim Zero to 60 MPH in 4.6 for their CL & S 600's, but people have gotten 4.2 easily in both.

They claim 4.5 seconds for the SL 55, and many people have gotten very low 4's.

They claimed 4.8 seconds for the SLK 32, and many got 4.6 or lower.

They always seem to be between 0.2 seconds to up to 0.5 or more seconds off too conservative in their performance estimates.

And they are claiming that the ME 4-12 will go zero to 60 MPH in 2.9 I believe, so if we calculate in their same conservative re-estimate .... the car is most likely 2.4 or 2.5 seconds to 60 MPH.

And, as far as that S 600 we talked about, you have to remember that it was not stock. In other posts is was discussed that when you calculate fairly for drivetrain losses like is supposed to be done, that S 600 has 665 horsepower and 848 lb/ft of torque !!!
Although, it has also been determined by independent dyno runs that Mercedes is also hiding the real output of their stock 600 engines so as not to **** off and/or hurt the resale value of the 55 cars. The real horsepower for the new 600 engines has been determined to be actually around 580-600 Horsepower !!
So, after finding this out, the Renntech sofware reprogrammed 600 is not far-fetched at all.

And the 3.3 second time is actually not that hard to imagine considering stock SL 600's are getting Zero to 60 MPH in 3.6 seconds ...... And that Mr. Treynor's S 600 in question has quite a bit more power than a stock 600 car, plus the very heavy weight of the S 600 sedan actually helps it in acceleration so as to reduce wheelspin and make it more stable I suppose ....

These V-12's are very amazing ... so very powerful ... that Renntech ECU reprogram seems to be the best value for money out there on the German tuner market ...

It's scary to think that in a few years down the road when many of these S/CL/SL 600's are off lease and out on the open market for less than half price (due to the unfair market/insurance view of V-12 German cars, their value always drops far faster than the 55's) .....there will be alot of people out there who are going to pick up a $145,000 one of these for only $55,000 to $70,000 depending on mileage, condition, and model/options, and then drop Renntech upgrades such as these, ... and they will be terrorizing the streets in devastatingly fast German machinery .....I don't believe the all-new M5/M6 will be able to catch any of these V-12's cars with just even a Renntech software upgrade .... they're simply too fast

davepl

Huh? Where'd you come up with this "665 horsepower and 848" numbers? It's at most 625 hp and 750 ft/lbs, and the same Renntech stage3 in my car dyno'd at less than that.

WannaBeAMG

its insane to see the car build speed so rapidly yet remain so calm and silent from the cabin

Smiles

Hey, wait a minute.

If he's doing a sub-12 second 1/4 mile, doesn't the NHRA rulebook require a rollcage?

Thericker

Thericker

Conservitive mercedes results, Road & Track tested the Mclaren F1 It's best 0-60 was 3.4 sec. now are you going to say they are also posting incorect times how bout Enzo & Saleen S7 they both got 3.3 sec 0-60 I'm sorry these cars weigh 2800 odd lb's and have insane horse power the S7 retails $400,000.00 Also they did 0-100mph the best they got for the S7 8.6 sec. It just doesn't seem possible for a S600 weighing 4610lb w/=or in most cases less hp than these super cars to attain 3.3 0-60

Speed is all based on HP-TQ-weight ratio the less lbs the faster your going to go I'm also not buying your hypothesis "The heavier weight of the S600 will give it better traction than these super cars and a better 0-60" No way...

SL65amg

This is the quote from Mr. Brady , it explains the logic behind adjusting for drivetrain losses ... which are especially considerable in an S 600 sedan:

"Guys... this car is making 525rwhp AND 670rwtq

The way to calculate flywheel horsepower/torque from rear wheel number is to first determine an accurate drivetrain loss. Depending on design drivetrain loss can be below 10% for motorcycles and over 25% for some cars. In the case of the S600 it is VERY reasonable to use 21%. Loss increases with many things including the weight of the driven components and the degree of refinement for smooth performance (both of which are on the high side with this car).

Take you loss, in this case 21%, subtract from 100% and you have 79%. This is what reaches the ground. Take your rear wheel numbers and divide by 79 and to correct for flywheel multiply by 100.

525 / 79 X 100 = 665hp
670 / 79 X 100 = 848tq"

Whether this info is 100% accurate or not I don't know, but it seems to make logical sense at least.

davepl

Ok, so mine just dyno'd at 504 at the rear wheels, so

504 / 79 * 100 = 638hp

I made the classic gradeschool error of multiplying by 1.2 to correct for a 20% drivetrain loss. Guess I'll go update my sig now as well :-)

SL65amg

That's awesome Dave !!!

I guess maybe the reason Mr. Treynor's S 600 has more power than yours is either because he's been fine tuning the software with the car to get it to that, or I think he might have gotten a full free-flow exhaust system w/ headers .... maybe

Either way ... these V-12's I think everyone can agree are totally bad *** ....

I drove a stock SL 600 the other day and it just blew me away .... way way better handling and much much faster than I had even imagined ... it totally was much faster than the SL 55 I drove before ....
I can't wait for my SL 65 I ordered to come in ... obviously I'm expecting great things .... and I have no doubts the car will exceed all my expectations ...

treynor

Dave, I got 525 RWHP on 95 octane gas. With the RENNtech chip, the octane makes a substantial difference. Try dyno'ing with 100 octane unleaded for a real kick

Also,
> I really have to question the 3.3 claim on the 0-60 time... although with drag radials I see he's down to a 1.685 sixty foot.
> If it was measured with something more accurate than a stopwatch, I'll eat my post though :-)

I can prove it without a stopwatch - it's a simple matter of physics. I actually have a best 60' of 1.62 sec. This means that the car travelled 60' from a dead stop in 1.62 seconds -- so its average speed over those 60' must be (60/1.62 = ) 37'/second, or 25.3 MPH. Assuming linear acceleration (quite realistic, as you know from your dyno graph) that means the car was traveling 50.6 MPH at the end of the 60' mark... in 1.62 seconds. Add 0.1 seconds to cross the rollout on the dragstrip, and I think you'll still agree that 0-60 in 3.3 sec is realistic given 0-50 in 1.7 sec

DoctorV8

Ben,

Have you taken any steps to beef up the drivetrain (axles, driveshaft loop, differential, etc)?

Impressive video!

Sanjay

davepl

Your failing is in the assumption of linear acceleration... you get nothing near it, especially with a torque converter which acts as a torque multiplier off the line.